Observation from a fight fan.

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

Man I missed this place. Took a brief hiatus but now I’m back.

Today I’d like to talk about my favorite sport in the world – Boxing. If you are more of an MMA/UFC guy, or are just flat out not a fan of either, then this is still an interesting observation, so please keep reading.

I am extremely passionate about combat sports. Someone once told me that when 2 men fight, a bond is formed between them forever. I think pugilism is beautiful and one of man’s most natural instincts other than f~~~ing. We’ve been doing it since the dawn of time. I’ve been watching boxing and mma for probably close to 20 years now, and as a MGTOW, there is something I can’t help but notice. It seems that every time a biological father or strong father figure takes a “son” under their wing, greatness ensues. Some of the greatest fighters in history are men who grew up with and were raised by their father – WITHOUT A MOTHER IN SIGHT. Here is just a quick list of some great fighters who were trained by their “dads”:

Roy Jones Jr. – Was 50-1 at one point and named “Fighter of the decade” for the 1990’s
Floyd Mayweather – Retired at 49-0
Joe Calzaghe – Retired at 46-0
Mike Tyson – Youngest heavy weight champion in history, and arguably the most devastating man to ever do it.
Danny Garcia – Current champ with a 32-0 record
Roman Gonzales – Current champ with a 44-0 record (but not 100% sure if father is single or not)
Andre Ward – Current champ with a 30-0 record and considered the sports best right now

I could go on and on: Timothy bradley, Keith thurman, some MMA fighters, but you get the idea. It seems to me that single fathers take a special attention to detail and take a special care in raising a son that a female is not capable of. It may or may not be a biological blood relationship (Tyson was trained by Cus D’amato for example) but they treat it like it is. There are famous stories that Roy Jones Sr. would make his son chase chickens around for hours. Cus and Mike would watch countless black and white tapes of old boxers together and study their moves. Floyd Sr. barely let Jr. hang out with friends and would only allow time to train. I often think about where these men would have ended up without these strong father figures guiding them in their lives. Would they still have turned out to be legends of combat? Or would they have never even taken up a Martial Art and become cashiers at the local supermarket?

Then I think about how they would have turned out if the roles reversed, and the mother raised them instead. Women do not have the mental fortitude or combat prowess to be great teachers. More than likely they would’ve gave them terrible advice, been nowhere near as attentive to details, and would not even have been physically fit enough to hang with their sons beyond a certain age. Most of all they probably wouldn’t have cared since women cannot seem to conceptualize greatness and what it means and takes to be great at something. Usain Bolt is the fastest men alive. He’s probably the greatest runner of all time. His mother doesn’t give a s~~~ about gold medals, doesn’t have the slightest concept of what it takes to be great at a craft or achieve greatness in anything, and only cares about her son getting married. http://elitedaily.com/news/usain-bolt-mom-look-miserable-olympics-race/1586725/

When you take men who were raised with care by their loving fathers and compare them to fighters who didn’t have the same upbringing, the difference is night and day. You almost never see a guy who is truly “great” that didn’t have a strong fatherly influence.

But then to take it a step even further, forget about combat sports entirely and think about a child who is raised primarily by a mother vs. a child who is raised primarily by a father. Forget about combat sports for a second. Whatever it may be, whether its dancing, singing, acting, cooking, swimming, driving, ball playing, etc; greatness can usually be found any time there is/was a strong father figure present. But very rarely when a mother is/was present. If anyone has any other examples of great men in history raised by their fathers then please share them. It doesn’t have to be fighting related. I think Michael Jordan is another one but I may be wrong.

This is all just an observation of mine and I’d like to hear your thoughts. What do you think the differences are between a child raised by a woman vs. a child raised by a man. To put it simply, are Men better “mother’s” than actual mother’s?

[TuneoutParticipant]

I can tell you from my own experience that your observations are absolutely correct.

Thats why I have to laugh when I see Gov’ts and TV commercials touting single moms as ‘super women’.

Maybe accepting the truth would be too socially and economically costly for them,no better to keep living
in denial.

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[Enjoy The DeclineParticipant 1719]

I just would like to point out something. Ronda Rousey who was the most dominant female mixed martial arts fighter who ever lived as well as a former Olympic judo bronze medalist, was actually trained in judo by her mother who was a legendary judo american female athlete in her own time. I guess that only fathers can only really effectively help sons, just like only mothers can only really effectively help their daughters, because only the parent of the respected gender of the child can have a better perspective on what they should do in being a man or a woman than the opposite parent gender.

"Question everything" - Albert Einstein

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

Enjoy The Decline wrote:

I just would like to point out something. Ronda Rousey who was the most dominant female mixed martial arts fighter who ever lived as well as a former Olympic judo bronze medalist, was actually trained in judo by her mother who was a legendary judo american female athlete in her own time. I guess that only fathers can only really effectively help sons, just like only mothers can only really effectively help their daughters, because only the parent of the respected gender of the child can have a better perspective on what they should do in being a man or a woman than the opposite parent gender.

I was waiting for somebody to bring Ronda up!

I would like to point out that while what you say about her mother is true, it is important to note that she has a VERY close relationship with “Judo” Gene Lebell, the man who is considered the godfather of MMA and one of the greatest Judo practitioners of all time. He’s known her since birth and most definitely had a helping hand in getting her started in Judo and guiding her along the way. Do you think its a coincidence that one of the greatest Judo practitioners just so happens to know Ronda Rousey, and she winds up winning a medal in the olympics in that very same sport?

P.S. Gene once choked out Steven Segal in a real fight and made him s~~~ his pants. No joke.

[Enjoy The DeclineParticipant 1719]

Wandering MGHOW wrote:

Do you think its a coincidence that one of the greatest Judo practitioners just so happens to know Ronda Rousey, and she winds up winning a medal in the olympics in that very same sport?

Her having great genes from her mother along with how she was brought up by her mother also helped. But anyways, Ronda is probably the only example I can think of that can go against your argument. All I proved though is that maybe your argument is not absolute. I did read up on how Ronda usually trains with a lot of men trainers and men fighting partners like the diaz brothers, but it was probably her own mother that started it all in terms of training her in judo.

"Question everything" - Albert Einstein

[HitmanParticipant]

Mothers will endlessly promote their gynocentric views. .
Father’s will not.
It’s that simple.

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

Enjoy The Decline wrote:

Her having great genes from her mother along with how she was brought up by her mother also helped. But anyways, Ronda is probably the only example I can think of that can go against your argument. All I proved though is that maybe your argument is not absolute. I did read up on how Ronda usually trains with a lot of men trainers and men fighting partners like the diaz brothers, but it was probably her own mother that started it all in terms of training her in judo.

I agree with you that Ronda Rousey might be the one and only exception to my argument. Her mother did indeed guide and push her throughout her life. Gene Lebell and her male training partners certainly played a role also, but I’ll give you partial credit for this one. With that being said though, Ronda Rousey is not someone who I would call “great”. She was never anything more than the big fish in the small pond. She beat up on un-athletic housewives who only got into MMA as a means to lose weight and stay fit. The UFC at the time was also looking to break into the women’s market and Rousey was the lucky recipient of all the glory. When she fought a real fighter (Holly Holm), she got her ass whooped in horrific fashion. That was nearly a year ago and she has never shown her face since. She will most likely retire from MMA and pursue a career in acting. Good job, Mom.

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

When you really think about it, it takes a great father to raise a champion.

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

Zuberi Tau wrote:

When you really think about it, it takes a great father to raise a champion.

Sure. Not every father will raise a champion, but it seems that the chances of a young boy becoming one are far more likely if he’s raised by a father than a mother. In my opinion, fathers are better nurturers than women. They are better “mothers” than an actual mother. They also act as the father as well, whereas mothers can ONLY act as a mother – and most of the time not very good ones.

[Buller100Participant 2189]

Wandering MGHOW wrote:

Man I missed this place. Took a brief hiatus but now I’m back.

Today I’d like to talk about my favorite sport in the world – Boxing. If you are more of an MMA/UFC guy, or are just flat out not a fan of either, then this is still an interesting observation, so please keep reading.

I am extremely passionate about combat sports. Someone once told me that when 2 men fight, a bond is formed between them forever. I think pugilism is beautiful and one of man’s most natural instincts other than f~~~ing. We’ve been doing it since the dawn of time. I’ve been watching boxing and mma for probably close to 20 years now, and as a MGTOW, there is something I can’t help but notice. It seems that every time a biological father or strong father figure takes a “son” under their wing, greatness ensues. Some of the greatest fighters in history are men who grew up with and were raised by their father – WITHOUT A MOTHER IN SIGHT. Here is just a quick list of some great fighters who were trained by their “dads”:

Roy Jones Jr. – Was 50-1 at one point and named “Fighter of the decade” for the 1990’s
Floyd Mayweather – Retired at 49-0
Joe Calzaghe – Retired at 46-0
Mike Tyson – Youngest heavy weight champion in history, and arguably the most devastating man to ever do it.
Danny Garcia – Current champ with a 32-0 record
Roman Gonzales – Current champ with a 44-0 record (but not 100% sure if father is single or not)
Andre Ward – Current champ with a 30-0 record and considered the sports best right now

I could go on and on: Timothy bradley, Keith thurman, some MMA fighters, but you get the idea. It seems to me that single fathers take a special attention to detail and take a special care in raising a son that a female is not capable of. It may or may not be a biological blood relationship (Tyson was trained by Cus D’amato for example) but they treat it like it is. There are famous stories that Roy Jones Sr. would make his son chase chickens around for hours. Cus and Mike would watch countless black and white tapes of old boxers together and study their moves. Floyd Sr. barely let Jr. hang out with friends and would only allow time to train. I often think about where these men would have ended up without these strong father figures guiding them in their lives. Would they still have turned out to be legends of combat? Or would they have never even taken up a Martial Art and become cashiers at the local supermarket?

Then I think about how they would have turned out if the roles reversed, and the mother raised them instead. Women do not have the mental fortitude or combat prowess to be great teachers. More than likely they would’ve gave them terrible advice, been nowhere near as attentive to details, and would not even have been physically fit enough to hang with their sons beyond a certain age. Most of all they probably wouldn’t have cared since women cannot seem to conceptualize greatness and what it means and takes to be great at something. Usain Bolt is the fastest men alive. He’s probably the greatest runner of all time. His mother doesn’t give a s~~~ about gold medals, doesn’t have the slightest concept of what it takes to be great at a craft or achieve greatness in anything, and only cares about her son getting married. http://elitedaily.com/news/usain-bolt-mom-look-miserable-olympics-race/1586725/

When you take men who were raised with care by their loving fathers and compare them to fighters who didn’t have the same upbringing, the difference is night and day. You almost never see a guy who is truly “great” that didn’t have a strong fatherly influence.

But then to take it a step even further, forget about combat sports entirely and think about a child who is raised primarily by a mother vs. a child who is raised primarily by a father. Forget about combat sports for a second. Whatever it may be, whether its dancing, singing, acting, cooking, swimming, driving, ball playing, etc; greatness can usually be found any time there is/was a strong father figure present. But very rarely when a mother is/was present. If anyone has any other examples of great men in history raised by their fathers then please share them. It doesn’t have to be fighting related. I think Michael Jordan is another one but I may be wrong.

This is all just an observation of mine and I’d like to hear your thoughts. What do you think the differences are between a child raised by a woman vs. a child raised by a man. To put it simply, are Men better “mother’s” than actual mother’s?

Tiger woods and his father, different sport though.

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