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    New blow for Trump as Obamacare repeal bid collapses

    For President Donald Trump, it was the lost art of the deal

    Trump suffered a stinging defeat in his first major legislative challenge on Friday in a Congress controlled by his own party when Republican leaders pulled legislation to overhaul the U.S. healthcare system, a major 2016 election campaign promise of the president and his allies.

    House of Representatives leaders yanked the bill after a rebellion by Republican moderates and the party’s most conservative lawmakers left them short of votes, ensuring that Trump’s first major legislative initiative since taking office on Jan. 20 ended in failure. Democrats were unified against it.

    It was the latest in a string of political stumbles and controversies for the administration as Trump scrambled to achieve a crucial success to steady his presidency.

    Trump had thrown his full political weight behind the measure, spending days arm-twisting recalcitrant Republicans, and he declared himself “disappointed” and a “little surprised” by the defeat.

    The battle was an eye-opening experience for Trump, who has entered the White House with no experience in politics or government, including the delicate navigation of Congress.

    Amid a chaotic scramble for votes, Ryan, who championed the bill, met with Trump at the White House. Ryan said he recommended that it be withdrawn from the House floor because he did not have the votes to pass it, and Trump agreed.

    “We were just probably anywhere from 10 to 15 votes short,” Trump said. “With no Democrat support we couldn’t quite get there.”

    The president then met with House Speaker Paul Ryan – then spoke with him by telephone when it was clear the party did not have the votes to get its plan across the finish line.

    “I told him that the best thing I think to do is to pull this bill and he agreed with that decision,” Ryan said.

    Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer said the bill failed “because of two traits that have plagued the Trump presidency since he took office: incompetence and broken promises.”

    And the bill’s defeat marked a second major policy setback for the new president, who has seen his attempt to curb travel from Muslim-majority countries twice frozen by the courts.

    Trump went on the offensive Friday, branding Democrats as the real “losers” of the failed repeal bid because “now they own Obamacare. They own it, 100 percent.”

    Trump’s efforts to engage the bill’s opponents at times seemed to muddy the process further, as he largely cut Ryan out of negotiations. (Ryan didn’t seem to mind, calling Trump a “great closer.”)

    But even as Trump offered concessions, conservatives did not budge and moderates were angered.

    But while Trump was quick to blame Democrats for not giving “a single vote” for his plan, Ryan owned up to the failures.

    “I will not sugar coat this. This is a disappointing day for us,” said the top Republican in Congress.

    Even as Trump expressed frustration, he said he was optimistic that his lieutenants will be able to craft an “even better” piece of health care legislation.

    The Trump-backed plan, intended to expand free-market competition in the insurance industry and lower the cost of premiums for most Americans, would also have slashed public assistance to people who have no health coverage through their employer.

    Some 14 million people stood to lose their coverage starting next year, according to congressional forecasts.

    Basic benefits covered under Obamacare — such as maternity care and emergency room visits — would no longer have been considered essential and required for insurers to provide.

    The bill now appears dead, with Republican lawmakers urging a return to the drawing board.

    Congressman Mo Brooks, a member of the ultra-conservative House Freedom Caucus that largely opposed the measure on grounds it was too similar to Obamacare, said he was “pleased as could be that the legislation has failed,” arguing it would have been bad for Americans.

    Passage would have handed Trump a monumental victory, and put him on a path toward fulfilling his promise to “repeal and replace” Obamacare.

    Trump’s hallmark salesmanship seemed to abandon him this week. Although he furiously courted the hard-line conservatives opposed to the reform bill, they largely refused to yield, and in the process he alienated moderates who initially supported the bill.

    The president then switched tactics and gave up trying to bring the conservative opponents into the fold, instead delivering an ultimatum that all Republicans needed to back the bill. That did not work either.

    “This demonstrates that campaigning and legislating are two different things,” said Jim Manley, once a top aide to former Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

    The collapse on Friday was an embarrassing loss of face after he and his administration insisted up until the time of the vote by the U.S. House of Representatives that there was enough Republican support.

    It brings into question the neophyte president’s ability to move big-ticket legislation through Congress. And for a celebrity businessman who brands himself a deal-maker and fixer, it casts doubt over his ability to deliver on his bold “drain-the-swamp” promises to shake up Washington.

    The White House wants to advance, among other things, tax reform and a massive infrastructure package this year, but now it must address whether a change of approach is needed and whether congressional allies such as House Speaker Paul Ryan can be counted on to deliver.

    “This is the most consequential day of Trump’s presidency and it’s not just a failure, it’s a stunning failure,” Charlie Sykes, an influential Wisconsin Republican political commentator and frequent Trump critic, said on Twitter.

    Trump appeared to chalk up the loss in part to his own inexperience after House leaders pulled their bill to repeal and replace Obamacare following defections by both moderate and far-right Republican members who were unmoved by Trump’s ultimatum to vote for the plan or live with the current system.

    “We learned a lot about loyalty. We learned a lot about the vote-getting process,” Trump said after the bill was withdrawn, adding that he would move forward with other priorities.

    It was yet another setback for an administration barely two months in office that has already seen its national security adviser resign, had its immigration restrictions struck down in courts, and faces a barrage of questions about the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia.

    Trump also failed to persuade the American public that the bill was an improvement over the one it would have repealed and replaced: the Affordable Care Act – the signature domestic achievement of former Democratic President Barack Obama. Polls showed the replacement bill to be deeply unpopular, and conservative Republicans complained that their offices were being deluged by calls from constituents opposing it.

    Representative Joe Barton of Texas blamed the failure on Republicans who control the White House, Senate and the House still learning how to govern after eight years of Obama.

    “Sometimes you’re playing fantasy football and sometimes you’re in the real game,” Barton told Reuters.

    Representative Mario Diaz-Balart of Florida called it “a big blow” for the Republican agenda.

    Stuart Diamond, a professor who teaches negotiation at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, said Trump’s strong-arm tactics backfired.

    “Threats don’t work in general,” he said. “They cause damage to relationships. They definitely don’t work in a situation with a lot of different stakeholders, where the power is distributed.”

    The lesson from the debacle, said John Feehery, a Republican strategist who was an aide to former House Speaker Dennis Hastert, is that the White House needs to take a firmer hand in crafting legislative strategy. On healthcare, Trump largely deferred to Ryan’s office, which drafted the bill in secret, sowing mistrust among conservatives.

    Many analysts and investors have seen a failure of the bill as a catalyst to bring forward action on the tax reform as well as deregulation and infrastructure spending.

    “The market is taking it as a positive that they are not pursuing something that looked like it was hitting a brick wall, and that means it’s more likely they can move on to other issues the market would like such as deregulation and lower taxes,” said Margaret Patel, senior portfolio manager at Wells Fargo Asset Management in Boston

    The American Health Care Act (AHCA) has no path forward for now. That said, addressing health care in some way will be politically necessary so expect health legislation to be considered again at some point later this year or next year.


    Tax Reform

    With Americans now “stuck with Obamacare for the foreseeable future”, attention shifts to Trump’s next agenda item: tax reform.

    Congress now faces arguably an even tougher legislative reform: overhauling the tax code, which has not been done since 1986 and involves navigating a snake pit of competing special interests. Like Trump’s healthcare proposal, it could struggle against public opinion, with Democrats likely to cast it as a Republican giveaway to the rich.

    This was confirmed by none other than the President himself who said that “Republicans will probably work on tax reform now.” To be sure, following today’s embarrassing fiasco, Trump will be eager to move on to a law which will be easier to pass, and according to market consensus, tax reform is precisely that. Alas, consensus may once again be wrong.

    Ignoring the fact that work on tax reform in earnest won’t start for 6-8 weeks as House Ways and Means member Merchant said moments ago, and may not even take place until fiscal 2018 (after August), the reality is that since Obamacare and tax reform are both parts of the Reconciliation process, as a result of not freeing up hundreds of billions from the deficit that the CBO estimated repealing Obamacare would do, it means that Trump’s tax cuts have been hobbled – by as much as $500 billion – before even starting.

    Furthermore, with the Freedom Caucus flexing its muscle and openly defying Trump, another major headache for Trump’s tax reform is that the Bordere Adjustment Tax – an aspect of the reform that the Caucus has been vocally against – is likely off the table. And since BAT was expected to generate over $1 trillion in government revenues, it means that a matched amount in tax cuts is also now off the table.

    In summary, between Obamacare repeal and BAT being scrapped, roughly $1.5 trillion in budget “buffers” are wiped out.

    Sean Spicer today said repeatedly that Trump had talked to “everyone” and listened to “all” ideas, which reflects zero consideration of Congressional Democrats. If such sentiment persists it just raises the degree of difficulty for tax reform, particularly if the White House doesn’t change its position on keeping corporate tax reform tied to personal tax reform.

    Preliminary discussions on tax reform could begin soon but not legislative action is not expected on tax reform until June. This week’s events do not change market expectation that tax legislation will be enacted within the next year and actually suggest that enactment could come slightly sooner than previously expected.

    Other issues must be addressed before Republican leaders can shift their full focus to tax legislation. The Senate is expected to consider the nomination of Judge Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court the week of April 3, which raises the risk of a Democratic filibuster, which Republicans might counter with a controversial rules change (the so-called “nuclear option” for Supreme Court nominations).

    Following a two-week recess, Congress will return the week of April 24 to consider extending spending authority, which expires April 28; inclusion of funding for the President’s proposed border wall would raise the risk of a government shutdown.

    Congress will also need to address the FY18 budget resolution before it can act on tax reform. This is necessary to provide the “reconciliation instructions” that allow Republicans to pass tax legislation with only 51 votes in the Senate (and therefore no Democratic support). As we have noted before, reaching an agreement on the FY budget resolution will not be easy; in the past, conservatives have demanded a balanced budget within ten years but this would require endorsing spending cuts (in non-binding form) that some centrist Republicans might oppose.

    Tax reform will probably not begin to move through the legislative process until June. In light of the other issues described above, we would not expect the House Ways and Means Committee to vote on a tax reform bill until late May (less likely) or June (more likely).

    The Committee is unlikely to release a detailed proposal until they are ready to vote, so details regarding the House proposal may not be known for at least another two months or so.

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    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/trump-lost-art-deal-003258774–business.html
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-24/why-todays-republican-debacle-makes-tax-reform-less-likely

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    For President Donald Trump, it was the lost art of the deal

    No. President Trump avoided the political trap set for him.

    House Speaker Paul Ryan set a trap by creating a replacement, nor repeal of Obamacare. This was designed to be a trap where if it passed into law Obamacare not have changed much and President Trump would have gotten the blame for signing the bad bill into law. Thus, clearing the path for Paul Ryan to try to run for president again in either 2020, or 2024.

    If President Trump has come out of against this bad bill, Paul Ryan and Trump’s other political enemies would have accused President Trump had gone back on his word of supporting the repeal of Obamacare.

    This meant if President Trump supported the bad bill it would be the albatross around his neck, but if he went against the bill he would have been accused of going against repealing Obamacare and Paul Ryan would have had the political capital to prevent President Trump from pushing a clean bill to repeal Obamacare.

    So instead President Trump decided to sell this bill so hard and so fast that political support for the bad bill would collapse.

    For the last two weeks President Trump was negotiating with everyone he could to get on board in supporting the bill.

    Meanwhile, Paul Ryan and his subordinates continued to make the bill more and more corrupt. Such as removing protections for veterans and giving benefits to illegal invaders. Paul Ryan likely thought these final touches hidden in the bill would sink President Trump’s political momentum.

    But when President Trump was ready he countered with his own trap by demanding an immediate vote on the bill in the House. With President Trump saying if there was no vote then he would prefer just to let Obamacare finish imploding with the democrats continuing to getting most of the blame for the collapse of Obamacare.

    President Trump’s public excuse was that the Republicans should not waste any more time that the bill needed to be voted on.

    Paul Ryan did not have the votes. But, President Trump is seen as being the most vocal supporter of the bill. If the bill did not pass Paul Ryan would take the political hit. But, if Paul Ryan pulled the bill from being voted he would still take a political hit.

    Instead of rolling the dice and let the bill be voted on. Paul Ryan used his authority as House Speaker to pull the bill from being voted on.

    In Paul Ryan’s mind he thought this was the safest move. But this was the worst political move he could do. Now, Paul Ryan is seen as stopping Obamacare from being repealed.

    While President Trump took a minor political hit. This is nothing to him.

    On the other hand, Paul Ryan has now taken most of the political heat and the blame of blocking the repeal of Obamacare.

    Paul Ryan has not placed his position as House Speaker in jeopardy.

    This is likely just as President Trump had planned. With luck Paul Ryan will be thrown out as House Speaker a person supporting President Trump can be put in place and after the replacement President Trump can submit the clean bill to repeal Obamacare.

    This folks is an excellent example of President Trump using the art of the deal in playing 4D chess.

    #444737
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    The president has limited powers. He cannot make deals with those that choose not too partner with others for the good of the country despite political agendas. This country needs leadership regardless of who you voted for.

    When no one wants to deal, walk away. Kind of like MGTOW?

    skip the cavernous vag and go your own way

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    “We were just probably anywhere from 10 to 15 votes short,” Trump said. “With no Democrat support we couldn’t quite get there.”

    So in other words…it would have gotten more votes than Obamacare…they just didn’t ram it through via reconciliation.

    It was kind of a worthless bill anyhow though…in essence I wouldn’t have minded seeing middle class working people get the bigger tax credits and the free loaders get a little less, but the bill still failed what I’d want to see in true healthcare reform, which would be doing some stuff to actually make the cost of care cheaper, not just arguing over who pays what % of inflated costs.

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    All Trump has to do now is fold his arms and wait for Obamacare to collapse.

    Once that happens, the blood will not be on Trump’s hands, it will be on the hands of anyone who stood in the way of change.

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    There’s a surprise, when are you going to see through the BS and realise Trump is business as usual?

    He is one of them.

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

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    Obamacare was written by the insurance companies and big pharma as was this “repeal”. I’m glad it failed to pass. The free market is crushing Obamacare like an Anaconda. Let the Democrats own that turd.

    I simply would like to be able to purchase an old style catastrophic only policy without being penalized. That is all.

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    Trump did not want Obamacare to be repealed this time around. He is never this shoddy. If he really wanted to he could have. The alternative proposed is Obamacare-Lite and was doomed without him doing some magic. There is a method to his madness.

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    If he really wanted to he could have

    No, The President does not have the authority to introduce bills. I agree with Faust’s analysis.

    Obamacare is going to have to augur into the ground taking many people along with it before free market forces can be restored back into the human medical-industrial complex. I’ve a friend who was charged $600 for a bronchitis diagnosis and some antibiotics. I took my cat to the vet for $60 when she was ill.

    What really is the difference? Answer: Veterinary medicine has been left alone by the government for the most part.

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    No, The President does not have the authority to introduce bills. I agree with Faust’s analysis.

    Obamacare is going to have to augur into the ground taking many people along with it before free market forces can be restored back into the human medical-industrial complex. I’ve a friend who was charged $600 for a bronchitis diagnosis and some antibiotics. I took my cat to the vet for $60 when she was ill.

    That is not what I meant. He was short 10 – 15 votes. He gave everyone an ultimatum. This guy is the deal-maker. He could have got the votes if he wanted to. Politicians live for the deal. This is always about them and them alone.

    Ryan was an opportunist I agree. He was in the right place at the right time and did what Trump would have expected – maybe exceeded expectations. Made it easy for Trump to agree to backtrack.

    Trump’s attitude is not consistent with how he normally behaves when he really loses. He either planned for this or did not want the bill to go through. No – he’s up to something and it requires Obamacare to stay alive.

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    In ancient Rome they had a congress, all corrupt and whatnot, I’m just waiting for Congress and Emerald City to collapse! Collapse already happened here in B.C.F.C., over 43 years ago, they’re running on borrowed time having been transformed to overseers of a socialist somewhat communist form of government.

    I don’t know about you guys but deterioration in my illegal subdivision/condemned family campground abounds! This is a place where taxes are extracted both directly and indirectly by and for everyone else outside these condemned estates.

    I live far from emerald city, in the forbidden badlands of eternal corruption, where people are criminally endangered by the maniacal application of law and order gone insane and full of corruption!

    It’s only a matter of time before there is no Emerald City, only in history books! Just like the roman empire!

    I live and dwell on neurotic land where America with all it’s good intent actually died. Murdered by law, order, and so-called “equity”.

    But I’m not alone, if you’re a man standing in the West, upon Western lands, look under your feet, the land you’re standing on is governed by tyranny towards men (the new law and order). Therefore you’re also standing on condemned land, and I’m not alone!

    Just kick back and LTMFB…

    #444887
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    But I’m not alone, if you’re a man standing in the West, upon Western lands, look under your feet, the land you’re standing on is governed by tyranny towards men (the new law and order). Therefore you’re also standing on condemned land, and I’m not alone!

    Very true Bro. This is getting very ugly very fast.

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    It is getting ugly, Yumbo.

    I’m thinking Trump gave Ryan enough rope to hang himself. The sad part is that all of the third party rentier parasites involved with medicine are destroying the industry and do not want to move from the feeding trough.

    I hear in the Real Fake News about all the people who would have supposedly lost their health insurance due to this Obamacare Lite.

    I never hear anything about those who cannot afford to have health insurance due to Obamacare. I am one of those people. I figure I’ll live longer if I buy food. I keep my blood pressure under control using natural medicine and exercise.

    I remember my friend who signed up for Obamacare bragging about it. Fifteen months later the government came after him for $7500 in overpaid subsidies. Right before that happened he went and paid $5,000 for some damn super checkup only to learn he was perfectly healthy. He then learned his insurance was cancelled two months prior. He is now $12,500 in the hole for playing with that fire.

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    Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer said the bill failed “because of two traits that have plagued the Trump presidency since he took office: incompetence and broken promises.”

    I call that the Obama factor.

    If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

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    Trump did not want Obamacare to be repealed this time around. He is never this shoddy. If he really wanted to he could have. The alternative proposed is Obamacare-Lite and was doomed without him doing some magic. There is a method to his madness.

    The biggest threat to us all is naievity.

    Trump is not on your side,

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

    #444910
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    Health care in our country is horrible. We need to socialize it. Doctors claim they are in it to help the people. Let them prove it. Cap their salaries at 30K a year. Pay their medical education for them. Put CCT in all operating rooms making it public so we can all see what they are doing. If they screw up don’t sue them for millions. Fire them forever. Lets start clamping down on our medical system!

    #444912
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    Health care in our country is horrible. We need to socialize it. Doctors claim they are in it to help the people. Let them prove it. Cap their salaries at 30K a year. Put CCT in all operating rooms making it public so we can all see what they are doing. If they screw up don’t sue them for millions. Fire them forever. Lets start clamping down on our medical system!

    There is a new type of payment system started by real doctors who want to help everyday people. You can find it under the Health forum here.

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    Doctors going their own way is the cure for Obamacare and other fascistic schemes such as RINOCare. We still need true catastrophic insurance that is affordable.

    Sorry snowflakes, you really gots to pay for your own abortions and birth control. I’m sure Planned Parenthood would perform your personal feticide for free in exchange for some fresh baby parts for their baby parts business though 😉

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    There is a new type of payment system started by real doctors who want to help everyday people. You can find it under the Health forum here.

    I think that has promise.

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    If he really wanted to he could have. The alternative proposed is Obamacare-Lite and was doomed without him doing some magic.

    No. President Trump could not have done that. If President Trump had done any other move, including offering a rival bill, President Trump would have been blamed for sabotaging the repeal of Obamacare.

    President Trump’s moves were the only moves he could make by avoiding blame and not allowing a bad bill to replace Obamacare which President Trump knew he would be blamed for.

    Remember, President Trump as the one yesterday demanding a vote went he and Ryan knew they did not have the votes for the bill to pass.

    Yumbo, you are under the mistaken impression that this is one a shot deal. It is not a dozen different bills could be put to Congress to repeal Obamacare.

    The problem is House Speaker Paul Ryan will not allow those bills to be voted on the floor. Paul Ryan was setting up his Ryancare trap before Trump was even sworn in.

    By the time President Trump was in office Ryan had his Ryancare bill ready to go and President Trump could not openly oppose it without falling into the political trap Ryan and his allies set for President Trump.

    Now House Speaker Ryan is political hurt, not President Trump. Even if Ryan stays as House Speaker he is going to have to tow the line for President Trump. This will make things easier for President Trump to move forward with his policy changes, including a clean repeal of Obamacare.

    Actually, even the Congressional recess does not matter because President Trump can call Congress to session anytime he wants.

    In other words, this is a win for President Trump and the American people, while a loss for Paul Ryan, his rino allies and the democrats.

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