Need work advice

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

I need some career advice.

I am a salaried professional and my normal work schedule is 8 to 5, m-f.

For an upcoming project I will be working 5 to 5, with a 4 on and 2 off schedule for 2 months.

Since I am not eligible for overtime. I be working 128 hrs (3 × 40 hour weeks) unpaid.

Any advice?

Should I just suck it up. Should man up complain and how to complain so that it means something.

If I complain I could win or lose. Maybe they don’t need me? Maybe I p~~~ off my boss, maybe I get fired.

What do you think?

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[UntamedParticipant]

It’s two months, man. It’ll go by like a week if you keep busy. You may even learn something new…
Then again, maybe they want to see if you’re part of the team, if you’re willing to give more for nothing, like saving your wife from drugs, they have “no money” to front up but if you keep your mouth shut you might get a bone like a day off or two.
But I could be wrong, Jan. Don’t take my word for it.

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[Anonymous 42]

Sounds like more corporate constrictions planned out at a corporate board meeting to take a finger or two from every worker to boost quarterly profit margins. A finger today and an arm or leg tomorrow. The little guy is only a worker ant, they can not only afford to crush him, but crushing him comes with the rewards of greater profits and added bonuses! I mean boner-us-es

[OkamiParticipant 40]

In fairness, you literally got every reason to bark. But consider this,

Does the end project benefit you in ANY way? Money or reliability reputation? If not, you are just being a tool. I once got into a situation where I was literally used, salary delayed 2 week because I was a nobody under a chain, I’m not important. So, I f~~~ed everyone, get paid & walk out like a boss. Office c~~~s came rushing asking why I quit.

Next point, do you have anything to fall back? A small pillow will do. Getting fired is like backspacing in a board game. Plan properly, it’s ok to step 1 back then 2 forward, but this strategy is wholly dependent on how fast you can get yourself employed with marketable skills. Trades change job easy. If not, I suggest you suck it up, 2 months in office compare to trades isn’t that long.

Meh..

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Since I am not eligible for overtime. I be working 128 hrs (3 × 40 hour weeks) unpaid.

Any advice?

Is your direct boss, or the sponsor of the project, aware of this? If they’re concerned about their resources, they should know this is a likely ticket to burnout city. “This is an extra 11 hours of work, every weekend, for 8 weekends straight.” Use this phrase – i guarantee it’ll get a reaction.

Put a dollar figure to those 128 hours. Tell them that’s what you’re saving the company in labor above & beyond your normal commitments. ($30/hr is what my bank uses to hire s~~~ offshore business analysts with minimal technical capabilities; not sure how that compares to your hourly rate on the contracting market, but it’s a start).

It’s one thing for management to ask for help over the course of 2 weekends for a big rollout, but this is another level of commitment entirely. If they’re not willing to make some consideration (extra share of the bonus pool, equity/options, first dibs on future projects, additional vacation time after the 8 weeks is over).

If they don’t give you something, polish the resume & start looking elsewhere.

[kizellParticipant 368]

Depends on how valuable you are if you can make that kind of demand.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Suck it up. Unless you have a better job lined up already, then keep the one you’ve got. White collars do not get overtime unless it’s decreed from on high, which usually does not happen.

By the way, any new job will likely result in the same unpaid overtime situation you are in now. In other words, your career is better off with you staying “loyal” to one company than job hopping.

As an interesting aside, unpaid overtime is why you are getting paid less than the janitor. They have to pay him for his overtime, double time on weekends, and triple time on holidays.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[LivinitupParticipant 135]

I´d tell them to pound sand. An hour here, an hour there of unpaid overtime… ok, no problem. But i´d rather loose a job then work 128 hours for NOTHING in return, either pay me or if its a long time gig, let me take those hours off without a paycut some other time and we´re golden.

IMHO, working for free for that amount of time is TOTALLY over the top, if someone proposed something like that to me, i´d laugh in their faces, tell them i really like their humour but to cut it out and talk buisness please….

It´s such a ridiculous proposal that i wouldn´t even take it serious….

Then again, i don´t NEED a job too bad. I got about two years salary squirreled away and i can easily make it last for 4 years if i have to….

So it´s up to you and how bad you need that job, how bad it could f~~~ you with a future job if word gets around and so on…..

It´s really hard to tell without being exactly in your shoes….

But all in all, walking away from these clowns is a MGTOW thing too…. They´re being total corporate c~~~s, letting you pay through your nose… They´re acting like a spoiled slut.

We have a humorous saying in Austria for people like that: “Don´t even ignore them” (for even ignoring their bulls~~~ would mean you´re already paying them too much attention )

I´d rather have a 2 month vacation than getting the s~~~ end of the stick but that´s just me….

best wishes, LivingItUp

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[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

@All,

I appreciate all of your advice, that’s why I asked. Before I took the red pill I would have just rolled over and did it. Now I am a little wiser (maybe?) and maybe mine got a little bigger.

My concerns are:

Sure I do this and it will make me look good and it might pay dividends down the road. or if I don’t stand up for myself this might happen again and again. If this happens once per quarter (maybe the new normal) then I’d be working 500 hours a year for free. Unlikely but possible.

Where is the break point for a salaried employee. When does it switch from my obligation to abuse. Is it 128, 250, 500 hours per year?

Overall, I like the job, the pay is good, it is a good place for me. But my feeling is if I don’t stand up to a bully, they will just run over me again and again.

If I cause a stink, it will make me look bad and that will always follow me.

More opinions are welcome…. I’d call Tom Leykis but I know what he would say…

Maybe being post Red Pill means I need to stop whining about what is fair like a little c~~~, suck it up, and show them why I’m promote-able. Instead of playing little t~~~ legalistic games about what is fair or right; I do for them and then see what they do for me. Give them this chance and then if they f~~~ me, I raise hell.

Wow, that is a revelation. Maybe being Red Pill isn’t sinking to their level and playing their game, but going full tilt and making them respect me, taking it instead of begging for it.

I’ve never had a lot of self confidence, maybe Red Pill is stop being afraid, give it hell, and take it…Maybe for once in my life I need to say “who dares wins”

@keymaster, you seem wise. What is your counsel?

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[KeymasterKeymaster]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Since I am not eligible for overtime. I be working 128 hrs (3 × 40 hour weeks) unpaid.

Very late seeing this, but how did it work out like this? Meaning….. how did someone just “decide” that?

Jan Sobieski wrote:

But my feeling is if I don’t stand up to a bully, they will just run over me again and again.

You’re right about that.

I worked with a guy who had the right attitude and I admired it. He was a tough & stubborn bastard, but an OK and stand-up guy all around. at 6PM he would get up and leave. Didn’t even matter if he was done what he was working on….. if he was in the middle of something DING DING! Time to go home , and at 5:59:59 he didn’t give a F~~~ anymore.

Because he wasn’t PAID to give a f~~~ after that.

If the boss asked him to stay, the answer was “have a good evening… see you tomorrow” . I would stay until 7:30 or 9 sometimes to be the dutiful one and I didn’t regret it. Im just built that way, but I wanted to be more like him.

So I started doing it. It says a lot without saying anything. Bosses have a terrible habit of walking up at the end of the day to begin a conversation to test you. If yours is like that, you don’t need to talk about it, just stand up and start gathering your stuff and jingle your keys and “Ok thank you good night!”. Mid-sentence if you have to.

He could have talked to me all day, but he approaches me at 10 minutes before EOD and wants to talk important s~~~? F~~~ off. It can wait until morning. And if it can’t, or he starts acting like staying longer is saving lives…… then he’s not paying you enough.

Jan Sobieski wrote:

When does it switch from my obligation to abuse

After 8.5 hours. (assuming 30 minutes for lunch)

You’re an EMPLOYEE. … not paid for a “project”. Since they expect you to work extra for a PROJECT , negotiate a rate for the project and treat it like a PROJECT.

Talk about what you’re willing to do.
Not what you’re NOT willing to do.

“OK, I’ll be happy to stay an extra 4 hours for 4 weeks at a rate of $X for 4 extra hours”.
Whats he gonna do? Fire you for that? So make sure you say you’ll be “happy” to do it…. but make sure it’s a rate you really will be “happy” with , and not a few bucks so that you will still be woking while resenting him for it underneath.

Don’t ask. TELL him.

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Wow, that is a revelation. Maybe being Red Pill isn’t sinking to their level and playing their game, but going full tilt and making them respect me, taking it instead of begging for it.

This is hitting closer.

First rule of sales: “If you give someone a chance to say “no”……. they usually will.”

I have written about this here before, because it worked well for me. DON’T go up to your boss and “ask” during a work day. He already knows he can say “no” to you and you’ll just go back to work. I would stand up and leave at 5PM. Then wait for him to stop you. “Hey Jan, we really need this done for tomorrow”…… while you’re already on your way out the door.

THATS when you want to get him. Not during a work day. As you’re on your way out.

“Oh… well…. gee ….. tell you what, I’ll be happy to stay for time-and-a-half for as long as you need – up to 5 hours.”

NOTE: Now you’re not “asking”. You’re telling him what you are prepared to do, and setting the terms.

Now you’re giving him something to think about at a moment when he needs you – which is the position you want to be in. You can also tell him he can think about it and discuss it with you in the morning. If he’s a real asshole and threatens “you’re fired if you walk out”……. it would now depend on what kind of brass b~~~~ you have.

Even if he fired me on the spot, I would smile and say “I did my job today and I’m now finished for the day. I’ll be in at 8 tomorrow and you can fire me then. Good night”. ……. and make HIM feel like the asshole while you make an awesome exit. But that’s just me, because I wouldn’t let an employer hold me hostage like that.

I have come to learn that a “job” is only something you need to make enough money to do the things you WANT to do when you’re not working for someone else.. So being fired doesn’t matter a f~~~ing damn. Fear tactics roll off like water from a duck’s back. Employer’s who behave like they are doing you a FAVOR can go f~~~ themselves.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Thank you all for your advice. I’ll let you know how it turns out.

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[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Update.

So what I’ve decided to do is play it cool and work the uncompensated hours. I have my first annual review in a month and see what I get.

I’ve only been here 9 months and it might be a good long term situation. If I get a good raise I’m ok with it. I can afford the long term gain vs. the short term.

summary.

if my review and bonus are good…its ok.
if my review and bonus are bad…then I make an issue of it.

based on the above and it happens again…decision point.

When I was younger, angrier, and blue pill I’d have gone full retard.
Older, wiser, Red Pill….Play the game, wait for the right moment, play chess(look three steps ahead).

I hate to say it like this because that is what the feminists say…but my MGTOW tells me to it is ok to let them win in the short term as long as I win in the long term. long term gain vs. the short term. But if I can’t make it a win for me I’m not going knuckle under. No more.

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[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

Since you have only been with the company for 9 months, your worth to them, is probably going to be questionable, but come to the annual review, they will already have gotten around half of your of the measured unpaid overtime from you, won’t they?

Just play the math numbers to them, and if you haven’t had a single sick leave, play that one too, use some ethic and moral against them but package it in sincerity, as they surely will try against you too, any way.

It’s tough to play any real hard moves, when you are still new to a company, because even if it’s a high position, your value may be less than someone under you, because they simply have been there longer, know more of ins and outs of the company, and have been there through tough times, so being dependable in hard times has it’s peaks too.

If you want to make a strong move later, your plan may need to include a possible new job ready, on the side.

Also, how much do you like your current job? Those amounts of hours are huge in my book, so you better want to stay there for more several years, for it to round out, as this will probably not be a one-time occurrence.

[MemberParticipant 323]

Large companies are masters at squeezing more performance for less money out of employees. The “best” managers are the ones that are not embarrassed in the least to ask you to work large amounts of overtime for free, come in on weekends all the time, cancel vacation days for a last minute project, etc. And even if you are a productive employee they will not hesitate long to fire you or push you out the door if you don’t play their games. The current job market is a “buyers” market for most employers….they realize that most people cant afford to quit a job due to a shortage of alternatives. They will push, push, your boundaries until they can’t go anymore. They will use rumors of downsizing, plant closings, to get you to comply. And as long as at least half the staff gives in they are golden. If you are the one guy who has the b~~~~ to say you wont give in then guess what? You will be told to comply or there is the door.

Every time you buy something think to yourself…” Do I really need this or is it a want?”. If you can get rid of a lot of these “want” items in your life then you don’t have to earn nearly as much money. Therefore if the boss starts demanding more than you can stomach you have the ability to say no thanks and go elsewhere for work. Our lifestyle is what dictates how much bulls~~~ we have to take at our jobs. If you have savings and no debt then you have a lot of choices that the debt enslaved do not brother.

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