Need advice

[Russky2Participant 3086]

Hi fellas,

I need advice urgently. In advance I apologize this has little to do with the topic of MGTOW, however more of a career related question. I know I posted this before, but would like another opinion.

Basically I have tuition due for an HVAC/Refrigiration program starting in January. I am still working in security part time, and an offer of full time may or may not come up soon, as the company I work for is looking to renew contract with an existing company or completely switch over.

If I do go for HVAC, I will be spending most of my savings on living costs, food, tuition etc etc. With security, I don’t know what the stakes are. As far as I’m concerned it’s very easy to get fired if some c~~~ doesn’t like us. But I know HVAC isn’t without it’s own problems.

I would like a short pro and against either or type of decision. Would much appreciate the feedback.

MGTOW AKBAR

[EGParticipant 1852]

As for my own career I know that if my current job ends I’m going back to school for a trade rather than working with the public, going forward. That’s all I’ve got for you.

[SpleeferParticipant 958]

You Asked Bro. My advice is a little harsh but I’m a father. I have these speeches ready to go at any time.

Don’t give up before you start. This is a Mgtow learning event for you. You looked into the HVAC program, you decided to sign up, now you thinking about quitting? Huh? Do both. Work and go to school. I did it for my first degree and I’m doing it now for my second degree. People work three jobs and go to school and have families. I know The excuses “this program Is full time“ blah blah blah. “Full time job opportunity “ blah blah blah. excuses. That is fear bro.

You can do it! Every guy here believes you can succeed! Maybe not Carnage. But I’m telling you, if you pick a career you really want to do, work really hard for a long time, you will be a success.

There is always a way to do what you really want to do. Maybe you really don’t want to do HVAC in the first place? Just think how hard it will be to go to school and have challenges with class and then goto work and deal with that noise. You need to be sure before you sign the loan. If your already thinking about bailing maybe you need to pick a better suited passion.

Security jobs are great while you are going to school. It’s not a career. Challenge yourself and get ready to work hard. The quality of your future depends on how much sacrifice you are willing to dedicate to your life today. 5 years from now, you could own your own HVAC company or you could be in a job that a woman with no degree could get. Sorry if that’s harsh but it’s the truth. Stop wasting time and get to work on your future.

Galatians 5:1 (KJV) Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

[foolsgoldParticipant 5645]

EG is correct. GO TO TRADE SCHOOL. You’ll never starve. My brother was one of those “losers” that went to trade school in the late 80’s. He is now 50 and works when he wants. Young people feel there is a “loser” stigma attached to going to trade school. There is NOT. GO TO TRADE SCHOOL GO TO TRADE SCHOOL GO TO TRADE SCHOOL.
OK you get the point.
GO TO TRADE SCHOOL.

[Branched offParticipant 10926]

Pros -it might lead to something more meaningful than security work and something where you can have a little more flexibility and a little more money.

Cons -it will take resources and make you feel nervous taking a risk and getting out of your comfort zone. You will need to deal with a slightly higher responsibility load when it comes to getting work and dealing with customers as you will be less of a small cog in a big machine.

It is hard to be 100% in favour of a thing when you don’t know someone’s personality but in most cases I would make a very strong recommendation to go for it. The great thing about being a tradesman is that you will never be out of work once you are known and respected. Getting to that point can be a little bit nerve wracking. The best thing to do is to be humble and work for little or even nothing to start. That gets you experience fast and experience = value in a tradesman.

I was very nervous going into trade after coming from a family of professionals and having started a professional career I did not like. Tradesmen said just go for it. In the end I did. It was a good decision.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[Russky2Participant 3086]

Thank you all. I made a definite decision to go for it, I’m getting tired of being jerked around in security. Besides, most of the management there are female…lol f~~~ that noise.

MGTOW AKBAR

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I encouraged my son to go into engineering…tradesman with math. He loves it and potential exposure to female risks are minimal. Enjoy HVAC. I couldn’t live without it.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[MonkParticipant 16983]

The main problem with security work (I’ve done it and speak from experience), is that it is largely here-today-gone-tomorrow contracts. It’s highly competitive – there’s always a new kid on the block who will do it cheaper.

Go to trade school and work security part time. When I did my university degree, I used my savings and drove a forklift in a refrigerated warehouse.

[AwakenedParticipant 35201]

A trade is great if you’re mechanically inclined. If you’re not mechanically inclined the day to day job will be very challenging, and you probably won’t last long in the field.

Additionally, more and more HVAC is computer controlled in addition to the traditional electro-mechanical aspects.

Some of this can be learned, but much of it makes a whole lot more sense if you have a strong aptitude to understand it.

It’s nice to go to school for something thinking that it will be the answer to all your problems, but it’s also important to see if your aptitudes and abilities match up with the trade that you will be INVESTING YOUR CASH, ENERGY, AND TIME.

Have you went on line, or to book stores to find sites/books that have tests which measure your strengths, weaknesses, and aptitudes in areas related to the HVAC trade??

IMHO it’s a good place to start….

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3758]

Russky2 wrote:

Thank you all. I made a definite decision to go for it, I’m getting tired of being jerked around in security. Besides, most of the management there are female…lol f~~~ that noise.

Great ! You’ll think of this thread in 10 years and remember: Why did I almost not do it ?

Have a great life ! MGTOW-style.

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

I’m going to go to a Korn Concert with my sister soon. I don’t really like GOING to concerts since I feel kind of weird for some reason. Raves are kind of different. You don’t know anyone.

Thing is, I get the Butterflies all the time. Hell, it took me 3 weeks to return something back to AMazon I had no use for. I put off lots of things. But you know what? Nothing happens if you don’t. You just stay in the same place you are now.

Let me put it this way Russky. You go into HVAC? You are never going to be without a Job. And? Some Import can’t just take your job away. Do you really want my Cousin PanJeet UookBar MUajudeense Banglebatth to come take your job away? No? THen get into HVAC. Or start working for the Government.

You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

[StealthParticipant 5330]

Big picture first–where do you want to be in twenty years?
then immediate picture.
Survive and find a way to get there.
I’d suggest swallow the pill and jump into the HVAC pool.

"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

[DocParticipant]

Take the path that enables you to reduce the amount of uncertainty. If possible plan to the end so you can account for all eventuality and ride the bumps in the road as they occur.

It’s all a dice roll but I believe that with some foresight it’s possible to swallow whatever chance brings.

I believe that over the longer term HVAC reduces the uncertainty. It allows you to make plans for the long term.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Branched offParticipant 10926]

Monk makes a very good point, it does not have to be binary to start. You can and probably should do both to start.

As I alluded to in my earlier post the only problem getting into trade is getting experience. Its a bit chicken and egg -its hard to get a job without experience and hard to get experience without getting the jobs. At first you will only get that experience when you are either very cheap or when everyone better is fully booked. Its not problem, its just a stage and the only hard one on the road.

Once you have qualified, be available to work as a tradesman and do just enough security to keep the wolf from the door. The only danger here is that security -your known trade where you are experienced and valued starts to dominate your availability and then you become unavailable when you get the long awaited call to do your new trade.

I would recommend working 2 or 3 days in security and the others in your new trade or one week in one and one in the other or whatever fits the needs of both jobs but setting boundaries. When security ask for more days do not give them it (its too easy to do that but it will steal your energy from your mission to convert). Instead work for free for an experienced tradesman those days if you can’t get paid work in your new trade. You will be amazed how doing a day or two for free opens lots of doors. The doors may not open instantly but when that tradesman or company boss needs a spare hand from someone not too skilled and his usual guy is not there he will remember you and call you, particularly if you check in with him once a month and ask if he knows of any work. Also if you do volunteer for a day for someone do not accept just crap jobs carrying and clearing up and such -you are a free bonus to them and your wage is to learn something new. Ask to watch the things you need to learn and help in them where you can. You can assure them that you will do the crap jobs once they are paying.

As the new trade demands more time, drop security but never the other way round unless you are actually in danger of starving or you may become like a lot of people who get a new qualification and end up saying they couldn’t get into the job, when in truth what happened is that their old job was just easier to get back into.

Good luck mate. It will be good.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[EGParticipant 1852]

Branched off wrote:

As I alluded to in my earlier post the only problem getting into trade is getting experience. Its a bit chicken and egg -its hard to get a job without experience and hard to get experience without getting the jobs. At first you will only get that experience when you are either very cheap or when everyone better is fully booked. Its not problem, its just a stage and the only hard one on the road.

This brings up a very important point: one skill you’ll have to develop is how to hustle. By that I don’t me swindle people, what I mean is how to pound the pavement and drum up your own customer base. You’ll come out of school with a service to sell, regardless of what it is. Even self-trained people like musicians have to develop this same skillset in order to create a livable career out of it. Networking and schmoozing are important, here. If you’re MGTOW-bent, then think creatively about where you might find the highest concentration of MGTOWs and just plant yourself there. Become one of the fixtures among the other people and make friends and connections. Offer fair prices and do good work, and word will get around quickly. But plan on having to learn this side of it. It’s the same whether you’re talking about a trade or freelance gig or other salable skill, and MGTOW are especially prone to having no one to guide them in the right direction even if they’re full of ambition and skill. Not every boy or man has a successful male figure to tell him how the world works, only the lucky ones do. The next best thing these individuals can do is research and read as much as possible about the successful, ethical way to hustle, ie.: make good business deals.

And get any kind of experience you can get, especially at first, as long as you’re not getting taken advantage of.

[MonkParticipant 16983]

EG wrote:

This brings up a very important point: one skill you’ll have to develop is how to hustle. […] … how to pound the pavement and drum up your own customer base.

Good point.

In the early days, the world won’t beat a path to your door. I had business cards printed and put myself about. It’s only a question of time before someone goes sick, or they can’t cover a vacation.

[SwimcatParticipant 3589]

My son is an HAVC tech and has done very well. He now works for a major hospital. I paid his tuition, but if you don’t have that kind of money perhaps you could get student loans. I encourage you to go for it.

[bstoffParticipant 4863]

I think everyone here agrees, HVAC is a great option, especially if you’re interested enough to already be considering it.

It’s probably the best financial bang for your buck as far as tuition costs, etc., considering the earnings potential over time.
After you get trained, work for a company for a while and maybe work on a business degree at the same time, to eventually get your own business.

It’s always best to work for yourself.

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