Need a little perspective/motivation/encouragement

[WhiskeyLord69Participant 8]

Hey all. Newfound MGTOW here. The only post I’ve made is my introduction and I’m usually busy at school or work so I haven’t posted much.

I’m a 23 year old man looking for some good vibes in my decision to give up on any notion of paying females even the slightest bit of attention. I went through an engagement and living arrangement a few years ago. After a year or so of dating unsuccessfully I decided to give up. But the feeling still lingers in my head. Don’t get me wrong, I do really well with avoiding anything that could get me into a “meaningful” relationship with a woman. Even the attractive women I have classes with, I ignore the urges. But I need to destroy the urges. The only women I’m on friendly terms with are the ones that I work with, and that is for the sake of diplomacy. Truth is, every last one of them is insufferable. I have no problem with turning down the girls that show interest in me. That’s a nice perk of knowing without a shadow of doubt that I’m over the rat race of dating and relationships. Getting to nip potential life-ruining relationships in the bud is something of a second instinct at this point in my life.

But still. Call it socialization, call it romanticism, but there are still one or two women in my life who I can’t help but think fondly of. Realizing that I’m a MGTOW has really helped me socially. My phobia of women has turned into some sort of weird asexual nihilism. I can pass most women without a second thought. But there are still a few I find myself empathizing with them on EXTREMELY rare occasions. Like, for example, I met a girl in school who seems just as awkward and reclusive as I am. I learned that she’s this way because she had a thyroidectomy in high school. Even though I’ve experienced all of the s~~~ that can come with associating with females more than is required, I can’t help but feel like she’s different even though she’s most likely no different from any of the other terrible people I’ve ever met. I know better than to push it. I don’t want her to be anything more than acquainted with her. How can I destroy this last remaining piece of myself and move on?

[OasidParticipant 116]

Hi WhiskeyLord69. I’m new to this site as well. And I have similar experiences to this day with a few women I interact with. I get the same impressions that “this woman is different. ” Or as I read in one thread: the mystical rare good woman unicorn. As a man you will feel attraction towards woman and some will seem different from the rest.

Note: What you resist will persist. Don’t resist the thoughts and feelings, let them flow and watch them like clouds. You will see how often your thoughts and feelings shift in the span of minutes.  You will be attracted to women because the masculine side courses through you. Although I have had a rough time with women (to say the least) I (to this day) don’t mind feeling a connection with a few woman of the opposite sex. Although I have no motivation to look for a relationship, one day I may talk myself into it, whether I stay a bachelor or whether I choose to pursue an interest will be okay. What we should keep watch for is the fearful thoughts (nothing without her mentality, playing the sex rewards game) that may make her the center of your universe. No person has the power to make you miserable without your permission.

If you prefer her only as an acquaintance keep her at friend level. If you want to develop something more intimate that is okay too. You’re free to make choices that you think are best.   If you start thinking that you need to devote your life to her and keep earning her affections, that would be a step in the wrong direction. Step back and ask the veterans here again or gather information and experiences from this site.

This is a really great question you posted.

 

May the Force Be With You

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

you can notice women and still be mgtow. you can talk to them, date them, have sex with them, even have relationships with them. You just cannot ever sign a marriage contract with them. You cannot be a man going your own way after signing a marriage contract because once that contract is signed, you really have nothing left that is your own anymore. Property, children, home, legal rights to presumption of innocence, 2nd amendment, and protection from unlawful seizure… all that disappears when you sign that contract…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

WhiskeyLord69 wrote:

But there are still a few I find myself empathizing with them on EXTREMELY rare occasions. Like, for example, I met a girl in school who seems just as awkward and reclusive as I am. I learned that she’s this way because she had a thyroidectomy in high school. Even though I’ve experienced all of the s~~~ that can come with associating with females more than is required, I can’t help but feel like she’s different even though she’s most likely no different from any of the other terrible people I’ve ever met.

She may be a mythical Unicorn, but the law is definitely the law, the law is unjust, the law is not your friend, and the law is not on your side.  The woman herself is largely irrelevant.  The only way to avoid entanglements with the law, which is not your friend, is to never do anything that could place you under its heel.  This means you don’t have more to do with her than possible if you have a professional relationship.  Always keep it professional.  If you have only a casual relationship, keep it that way.  Do not cohabitate.  Do not get her pregnant.  And do not marry.  Ever.

There is nothing inherently wrong with associating with women, but it does entail some very serious risks.  You must always be aware of those risks.  You must always eliminate the ones you can.  You must always minimize the ones you can’t.  And you do that largely by never cohabitating, never getting one of them pregnant, and never, under any circumstances, marrying.

And in this modern age of false rape accusations galore, it’s a good idea to document everything.

[HimeoParticipant 471]

I dealt with similar issues, man. Watch bar bar’s youtube videos on traditionalism and RBK2’s video on gynocentrism. That’s what killed my “longing” for any relationships with women.

[Solid SnakeParticipant 255]

You’re 23, young, the world is your oyster, there is opportunity out there you just have to work on yourself, identify it and reach out for it.

Think about the time you can spend on yourself rather than thinking with your dick chasing women who won’t give you any unless you spend time, effort and money into them locking yourself into a relations~~~, or think with your dick with a paid professional who is there for one reason only rather than lock you down with children.

That time, effort and money can go towards working on yourself to open those doors 🙂

Once you knock up a girl and “put a ring on it”, you’re f~~~ed and you wouldn’t know it if you weren’t in this group with us.

Learn from the guys who have been there and done that, plenty of war stories the older boys on this forum we can learn from, they all started with one word:

Marriage.

We are risk assessors, there is a whole field in university dedicated to risk assessment and we’re the leaders in a specialised field.

[Vector VikingParticipant 413]

I’m going to try to expand on a really fantastic point that Oasid made in his post:

Learn how to meditate, man. Just the bare-bones breathe-in breathe-out and make note of what thoughts arise, but don’t cling to them as if they’re something absolute. They aren’t. Think about sitting on a beach watching the surf. Waves come in and recede, over and over again. One wave swells, breaks, crashes, and recedes; another comes in to replace it. The wave has form, physical substance, movement, and power for a moment, and then it loses all of these things, retaining only the potential for some of it to form another wave. If you tried to cling on to that particular wave and make it solid forever, you’d only be doing what lots of people drive themselves crazy trying to do. And that’s why so very many people are absolutely bat-s~~~ crazy. They go through life trying to make something that is ultimately formless and temporary into something crystalline and absolute.

Reagrding your new girl interest: stop thinking she’s special, man. Her hyperthyroidism doesn’t have anything to do with you wanting to pair-bond with her. Your DNA comes pre-wired to want that pussy, but it’s up to you to not fall for sob stories that will put you in a vulnerable position. You don’t need to save or fix her, man. She’s not a special snowflake and neither are you. We may all have minor characteristics that differentiate one from another but we’re all just snowflakes in a blizzard, man. Have you considered the possibility that she’s reclusive because she’s just an introvert, and you’re reclusive because you are too? It’s okay to be an introvert. Media messages that are trying to sell you toilet paper and car tires and haircuts and stuff might be constantly telling you that it’s not okay to be an introvert, but it is. There are lots of introverts and we generally get a lot accomplished in our lives because we’re not out chasing the best toilet paper and car tires and haircuts that we see on billboards and tv and the constant other media messages that surround our lives.

[Mann FugaSpectator 77]

Here’s the knowledge that helped me the most.  I can’t say that it will help you however.  How did the below help me?  It helped me understand “The Matrix”, the gynocracy, the patriarchy, progressives, conservatives, feminists, Marxists, etc.  As I learned more and more on how the world really works – and rejected all of the media brainwashing that kept me naive and ignorant – having a woman in my life became less and less important.  In other words, thinking for myself and not how I was brainwashed by the system to think, freed me.  This process of understanding and internalizing the MGTOW mindset took me four years in total.  I’m happier now than I’ve ever been in my life as a result.  It was not an easy journey however.  I had to give up my illusions and enchantments regarding women – which is not fun at all.

 

Feminism inadvertently freed men from their patriarchal role as provider and protector.  This wasn’t the intent of feminists – but it is however the goal of Marxists.  Instead, it is an unintended consequence.  Need proof?  Feminism won’t free men from their patriarchal role as cannon fodder and replace men with women in combat positions.  There’s no mass call to give men the right to opt out of child birth and support – women retain 100% control over reproduction and the financing.  There’s no call for women to take over the dirty, dangerous, life threatening/shortening jobs men traditionally do.  Why?  Feminism isn’t about equality.  Women are far more privileged than men – thanks to the patriarchy, not feminism.  Who enacts all of the laws that give women privilege in society?  The patriarchy.

 

Feminists are only now realizing that men abandoning their patriarchal roles is bad for women (they didn’t get this part of Marxism early on).  When men en masse refuse to be destroyed for the patriarchy and the gynocracy, in marriage and war, that leaves women with no option but to provide for and protect themselves.  This was not the intent of feminists – it’s an unanticipated side effect.  This is the intent of Marxism.  Marxism wants women dependent on the state and for the majority of men to be emasculated.  Why keep men emasculated?  So that they don’t form an uprising.  What is Marxism?  Redistribution of wealth.  What did Obama run on?  Redistribution of wealth.  What are progressives and feminists for?  Redistribution of wealth.  Don’t let anyone tell you that this is “tinfoil hat” theory.  Progressivism is re-branded Marxism, and it is very real.

 

What comes next?  What’s the fix for the marriage strike?  It’s happening all around you now, to wit:

 

Forcing cohabiting couples into marriage after X number of months of cohabitation – giving your girlfriend a claim to your property, savings and future income.  This is already being pushed in the UK (see ‘cohabitation rights bill’).  This is already law in many Westernized countries.  Many men think this law won’t come to the US.  Why?  After all they’ve lost to feminists, the gynocracy and the patriarchy – men are still very, very arrogant and egocentric.

 

The redefinition of anti-feminist speech as hate speech.  It is already a career destroying move to speak publicly against feminism.  If you need proof, look at Kaley Cuoco.  Look at NFL commissioner.  He didn’t even speak against feminism – he just didn’t snap to it fast enough for the feminists.  Men’s rights groups are despised by white knights, manginas and captain-save-a-hos, which are a large percentage of the male population.  Most countries are working to ban speech against replacement rate immigration (multiculturalism) and feminism.

 

HeForShe – which is pandering to men’s chivalrous nature in the worst way possible.  This is the latest and greatest example of pure gynocentrism.  The patriarchy is lapping it up.  Don’t buy into it.  People would have laughed if it were renamed to SheForHe.  Why?  Because men are disposable.

 

Nationalized health care (which is a tax hike on men).  Already done.  ObamaCare shifts the higher cost of healthcare for fertile women over to men.  Women live longer than men, so young men will be paying for the subsidized cost of health care for elderly women as well.  Women benefit far more than men with ObamaCare.  Remember that most births will soon be to single mothers – so the vast majority of men will get no benefit from their forced subsidization of women’s maternity costs.

 

Paid maternity leave.  Many countries already have this.  It’s coming to the US very soon.  It will essentially be an extension of welfare for single mothers and/or the addition of months of paid vacation for women only.  Why?  The majority of births will soon be to single mothers.  As a man, you’ll get paid less and be expected to “man up and take on her work” while she takes her many months of paid vacation with her child.  It will be said that men can take the same vacation – but the majority of births will be to single mothers.  Male disposability and patriarchal/gynocentric influences will  negate the possibility of men taking maternity leave.  What I just described is how it now works in countries that already have paid maternity leave.

 

The removal of presumption of innocence and due process from men and the elimination of punishments for women.  See VAWA and Yes Means Yes.  When a woman doesn’t get what she wants or has regrets about her decisions, both make it painfully simple for women to destroy the offending man’s life.  No proof that the man did anything need be provided to successfully destroy/prosecute/expel a man under either law.  Google ‘woman charged false rape’, ‘woman charged sex boy’ and ‘Community of the Wrongly Accused’.  More and more, women are getting lighter and lighter sentences for equal crimes.  At the same time, men’s basic rights are being rapidly eroded.

 

Did you know that women already collect the vast majority of social security and medicare (directly or indirectly)?  Did you know that the vast majority of federal and state spending on health, education and welfare already goes to women?

 

It was the patriarchy that created the divorce laws that destroyed tens upon tens of millions of men’s lives – forcing hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of those men into suicide or a life of poverty.  The feminists/gynocracy milked it for all it was worth – but the patriarchy is responsible for the vast majority of male disposability.

 

The patriarchy is a far bigger enemy to most men than the gynocracy/feminists.  The patriarchy is the white knight living on bended knee – that which throws the vast majority of men under the bus – and that which gives the gynocracy the muscle power necessary to continue the indentured servitude and destruction of men.

 

To see the future of the US and all Westernized nations, look to Sweden.  Lowest marriage rates, highest out of wedlock birth rates, the redefinition of cohabitation as marriage (giving your girlfriend rights to your assets and alimony), the banning of anti-feminist speech, replacement rate immigration, lowest indigenous birth rates, sky high taxes, $25 dollar burger and fries, laws that force men to pee sitting down, feminist movie censors, ball busting misandrist female politicians, cultural misandry, etc.  Sweden just got their butts handed to them by Saudi Arabia over a speech against the Saudis by the Swedish feminist foreign minister.  “Sweden is the Saudi Arabia of feminism.”  — Julian Assange

 

A part of MGTOW is about not getting married and not allowing women to have any level of psychological, emotional, financial, legal, physical or social power in your life. Why? Over the past several decades, tens upon tens of millions of men’s lives have been destroyed through alimony, child support and parental alienation. False accusations of DV are a common tactic used by women to get custody in divorce. A growing trend is to falsely accuse men of rape. Hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of these men committed suicide as a result of divorce and/or false accusations.

 

Attachment = Dependency + Fear.  A part of MGTOW is about not attaching to women or allowing women to define your sense of identity and self-worth.

 

I’ve lived under the MGTOW mindset for years and am loving it. I turn down offers of relationships with women because I no longer need or want a woman in my life. The last woman I turned down was shaking and had tears welling up in her eyes. If I ever have a woman in my life again, it will be because I want her there and because she benefits my life greatly. If that doesn’t happen, I’ll be happy either way.

 

My life is far, far less complicated, way more relaxed and far more pleasurable without the drama and stress women have typically brought into my life. I no longer have to worry about someone’s crazy family members, money problems, personal problems, crazy friends or deceit and betrayal. My self-worth and value are not based upon whether or not I have a women in my life. I’ve found being single to be a great thing.

 

The reason the above helped me so much is because it allows me to see past the superficial traits of women (which are hard to resist due to my biological response) and to instead look into their brains (which can be extremely entitled, misandric and narcissistic).  I’m no longer confused by women.  Nor do I wonder anymore how women think.  I don’t hate women – I just understand them much, much better than I did previously.  Having a woman in my life became far less important as a result of both understanding women and most especially by understanding what attracted me to them.  I personally didn’t work to resist women.  Instead, I worked to understand the world, women and myself.  For that effort, I’m far better off than I used to be.

 

It’s far, far easier to ignore the above.  Ignorance is bliss.  Nevertheless, by ignoring it, one could end up like one of the countless millions of men destroyed by women and the patriarchy over the past several centuries.

[– Deleted on Request –Spectator 936]

Mann Fuga:

 

All of those extra regulations add to the costs of doing business, which is why countries that don’t have them are ahead of many in the west.  That was point made by Peter Schiff in his comment about the Ellen Pao case.

 

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Thanks for the post Mann,
As usual, clarity is reached more efficiently when you just keep your eye on the money. It explains so much about why people do what the things they do. It’s very sobering to see all on one post the artificially imposed penalties for being male and all the artificially imposed advantages of being female. Although I’m mostly passed the peak levels of hormones that were the biggest threat to rationally thinking about women, I still very much have a ‘siege’ mentality about my life, my freedom, my assets.

Some would call us paranoid for thinking this way. But a notable senator from my state who was once described as being paranoid about another unrelated subject responded by defining paranoia as “A highly acute awareness of the facts…”.

The thing in your post that I could relate to best was the reaction from women when they offer sex/relationship and get turned down. It’s hard to realize how high their estimation of their own worth goes until you turn one down and see that reaction. Then you get to see what they really think of themselves vs what they think of men. I recommend that every man do that at least once in his life to get that perspective…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[RennieParticipant]

– Deleted on Request – wrote:

Mann Fuga: All of those extra regulations add to the costs of doing business, which is why countries that don’t have them are ahead of many in the west. That was point made by Peter Schiff in his comment about the Ellen Pao case.

Stuff like forcing people to collect all the paint chips when sandblasting off old paint, asbestos hysteria – resulting in very expensive disposal, trying to outlaw the use of less costly HFO – heavy fuel oil, blowing up coal plants – instead of installing scrubbers, trying to force green energy practices – like those expensive, ugly and not so environmentally friendly curly q lightbulbs.

There were even calls to regulate storm chasing after the death of 4 chasers (and near death of several others) in the El Reno tornado(2013). Fortunately that never happened.

[Mann FugaSpectator 77]

If you see any posts by me being lauded by the likes of BrainPilot and QuarterWaveVertical, remember that I studied under them.  All I have to write is the culmination of all I’ve learned from them, those like them and their predecessors, so…

“The thing in your post that I could relate to best was the reaction from women when they offer sex/relationship and get turned down.”

Yes.  This is a tough one.  My immediate response was:  “Is she going to scream rape and have me arrested?” or “Should I just give her what she wants to avoid arrest or public suspicion?”  It was one bizarre situation.  I became aware of my sexual power at the same time that I became aware of women’s legal destructive power over my life.  Fortunately for me, I escaped prison time and averted a false accusation.

[Mann FugaSpectator 77]

“All of those extra regulations add to the costs of doing business, which is why countries that don’t have them are ahead of many in the west.  That was point made by Peter Schiff in his comment about the Ellen Pao case.”

 

Women love their legal and social control over men.  They also love the conversion of men’s wealth into women’s wealth.  This con game has been going on for decades.  Tis why prostitution is the oldest profession.  There are too many examples of this from which to chose.  Have Vagina?  It’s a money maker for sure.

 

“Woman weds man.  Man is brilliant.  Man has affair.  Woman gets most of man’s wealth in divorce.  Patriarchy and Gynocracy Approved Life of Man.”

 

Tiger paid his X 100M, right?  Didn’t some Russian just pay his X 5 Billion?  Most Billionaire women are heiresses, right?  One way or the other, women will profit from the demise of men.  What’s more, men (and women) don’t really seem to mind.  Why?  Men are disposable.  Both men and women approve.

 

If one takes poody out of the equation, the cost of doing business goes way, way down.  Poody is expensive, both before you earn the money and long, long after you’re deceased.

 

 

[Mann FugaSpectator 77]

Note that for the below post, I’ve been banned from the most prestigious of sites.  The very first time I posted the below on sites that consider themselves progressive and/or cerebral, my ban went into effect post haste.  Why?  Women react in one of two ways.  They either completely ignore my post – or move to have me banned.

 

We all remember the wars women fought and died in to attain their rights, right? The names of those wars are so well known, are they not? Women didn’t ride on the shoulders of men for their rights, did they? Women didn’t expect men die for their rights, did they?

 

To be a woman is to be a coward. To be a woman is to expect the death of a male for women’s rights. To be a woman is to be a monster.

 

Feminists are here for good, right?

 

You cant have a good time without a woman ruining everything, right?

 

Is there a way to teach all men what follows? If not, then get back to me:

 

Here’s all you need to learn as a man. You don’t need to understand feminists. You don’t need to understand MRAs. You don’t need to understand anything but what I’m about to tell you. Here’s the truth that no one wants you to know. Ready? You’re not supposed to know that (except for gay people):

 

There is nothing more damaging to the vast majority of men than the patriarchy and white knight/chivalrous men. These men are extremely naive, ignorant and self-serving. Men in power will gladly throw the majority of men under the bus to gain favor with the gynocracy, to keep their jobs (get re-elected) and to maintain the status quo (see ‘1 in 5′ and ‘yes means yes’).

 

When it was asked for, the patriarchy gave women the right to vote, the right to higher education and the right to work. Unless they sign up for selective service, men still don’t have many of the rights women are granted by default. Initially, men had to enlist and fight in war to have the rights women were freely given – by the patriarchy.

 

I have never seen a movement so overflowing with hypocrisy, double standards and sexism than feminism. Take ‘yes means yes’ for example. To feminists, this is a good law. What’s more, the law is based entirely on bogus, debunked rape statistics. It’s no surprise that the patriarchy agrees with the ‘yes means yes’ law. The president of the United States, the patriarch of all patriarchs, personally endorsed and pushed ‘yes means yes’ into being.

 

Alimony, child support and default maternal custody are constructs of the patriarchy and constructs of a time when women could not support themselves financially. This is American patriarchy. Men made these rules, which have, through divorce, destroyed countless millions of men’s lives. Though feminists did milk it for all it was worth, the patriarchy made men the disposable gender, not feminists.

 

It was mandated by society that men be providers and protectors of their families, just like women were mandated by society to be homemakers and caregivers. It was mandated that men go to war and sacrifice their lives for women and children. Those men that refused were branded cowards, imprisoned and ostracized socially and financially. Men and women that didn’t play ball were demonized by both patriarchs and matriarchs. In the past, for a man to get a decent job, he had to be married with kids. To some degree, this social rule still exists today – enforced by both the patriarchy and the matriarchy.

 

The patriarchal structure was designed to benefit women and those men at the top – and to make the majority of men disposable. This is how we arrived at male-only selective service and the male only draft. Feminists distort the real truth when they paint all men as evil oppressors. Why do they still do it? Because it’s served them well for many, many decades. Now, as things are backfiring, you can smell the desperation. The patriarchy and gynocracy are seeing the err in their ways. Naive white knights and misandric feminists are getting their just due.

 

The single most misandric institution of our time is marriage. Men give all of their power over to their wives when they marry, which is why men should never marry. It is the patriarchy that gave women this power over men though marriage, not feminists. If you look deeply into the agendas of major women’s groups, you’ll find them fighting to hold onto this anti-male power.

 

What men really need to understand is that both the patriarchy and feminism are working against the vast majority of men; hence the debunked rape, wage and domestic violence statistics. That feminists and many of the most powerful male world leaders continue to run with the deeply flawed statistics tells you everything you need to know about their agenda. Why do they keep using the debunked wage, rape and DV stats? Men are now and have always been the disposable gender. This fact has never been more clear than today. The powerful, cowardly, white knights of the patriarchy will continue to throw men under the bus to appease the gynocracy. You can see this playing out right now before your eyes.

 

Our future is Sweden’s present. High out of wedlock births, low marriage rate, low indigenous birth rate, mass immigration, feminist movie censors, males made to pee sitting down, the redefinition of speech against feminism as hate speech, sky high taxes and misandric government leaders. Our future leaders will be split between feminists and their cowardly white knight lap dogs.

 

Expect to see more and more policies and laws that shift men’s assets over to women in the relatively near future. Of course, these policies won’t be called “Bachelor Taxes” outright. Instead, men’s wealth will be shifted under the guise of equality and fairness, with a clear bias against men and in favor of women. If you look carefully, many such laws and policies are now/have been in place for decades.

 

It seems to me that feminism is about forcing men, through misandric law, to give women whatever they want. Feminism is a narrative based on the idea that whatever was positively associated with men and traditional western society ought to be destroyed. Feminism is the idea that men are full-fledged villains who ought to be defeated, shamed and then either forgotten or hated. Feminism is the idea that whatever men accomplished they accomplished on the backs of women and that men should therefore be dispossessed and reviled.

 

At one point in time, feminism may have matched the dictionary definition so often quoted. Today, feminism represents the epitome of sexism, hypocrisy, misandry and double standards. The phrase “Destroy the Patriarchy” means “dispossess from men power and property and hand it over to women.” This is “equality of outcome”. This is socialism, which is what feminism is really all about. Just ignore the fact that, when you drive down the road, everything you see about you was always and is now built by men.

 

Women easily sacrifice their sons for America’s future. How do women do that? Is that action by women, sexist?  No.  It’s called selective service.

 

We can, as a result of male only selective service, have female only selective rape, right? Which is less selective? Which is less rapey/murderousy?

 

Why not rape/rot?  That’s what we do to men, right?  Why should women have it any better?  They shouldn’t.

 

Rape women. Call it sexist after the fact. That’s what women do with war veterans, right?  After the men are dead and have transferred all of their wealth to women, we call these men heroes.

 

For some reason, the above post gets me banned immediately almost anywhere I go.  Why do you think that is?  Anything I’ve ever written is free for use by my fellow MGTOWs.  If you want to get banned, just repost the above.

[Vector VikingParticipant 413]

Mann Fuga,

What does the political diatribe you’ve gone on here have to do with the OP’s original question?

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