NAMALT: Not All Men/MGTOW Are Like That

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

There is the “But Not All Women Are Like That” argument being thrown out there as if there isn’t some sort of systemic problem, and you can break out the token woman (or feminist) as some sort of counter example to end argument.  So, if there is Men bashing going on, or attacks against MGTOW, can’t the same be said?  Just have a single token Man (who is not a White Knight of Mangine) and use them as a token to be able to counter argue that Not All Men/MGTOW are like that?  Heck, I see this argument being even more valid for MGTOW than I would for the woman/feminists out there.  If a Man goes his own way, he really isn’t going to be like any other Man, will he?  Well, maybe there may be a few common attributes between MGTOW, or Men (like all men have certain body parts) and going one’s own way shows a degree of independence, but I see going one’s own way means very much different values and attributes, depending on the way one needs to go.

You thoughts?

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[SMADParticipant 651]

I definitely think every MGHOW is quite different.  Some people might have elements of TradCon beliefs, others have PUA aspects and some might take up the occasional banner and fight for our rights as MRA’s.  We MGTOW, however, are bound by many common attributes such as:

* The ability to sense female manipulation and logic failures

* A consensus that the system favours women and gynocentrism

* We have all either BEEN f~~~ed over or we have close relatives and friends who HAVE been f~~~ed over: Personal experience, or learning from others mistakes.

* We want to make the most of OUR lives and we put OUR needs and desires before anyone else (might be a slight variation if a MGHOW has children so I imagine this is flexible in that sense.)

* I believe MGTOW is a *CHOICE* – hence the red / blue bill philosophy.  Men get to a certain point where they have enough and so they CHOOSE to change their lives.  I don’t think there are many here who felt they were FORCED to become MGTOW, although they may have had their eyes opened by a MGTOW and they have been shown the path.

 

 

Marriage?  No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.

[RoyDalParticipant]

@smad, ditto!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[BritGHOWParticipant 2566]

The difference being NAWALT is trying to sell to men (and MGTOW in particular) the idea of the 1 in a million strong, independent woman who is actually capable of some measure of self control while being part of an equal partnership. Who won’t spend her 20s riding the c~~~ carousel before settling for a man to support her and her bastard offspring (at least as long as he’s earning enough to do so and another man doesn’t make her a better offer at which point the first sucker gets divorce raped) with the intent of persuading MGTOW to come back to the plantation. But it doesn’t work because a gamble at odds of 1 in a million where if you win you live a good life with a worthy woman and if you lose you lose at least half of everything you ever have or will work for is not a gamble any rational man will take.

MGTOW is simply setting out the reality to women that there is a growing subset of men who are not going to be dictated to by pussy power. If we assume NAMALT as an effort to defend such men against man bashing and shaming bulls~~~ pointing out counter examples won’t change anything because MGTOW still won’t be bowing to pussy power (due to the aforementioned gamble) and will still therefore be evil incarnate in the eyes of our detractors.

[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

or attacks against MGTOW, can’t the same be said?

Like mgtow’s give a f~~~ about what they have to say.

-“Blah blah blah misogyny patriarchy blah blah you’re scared of strong wymyn blah blah”
-“Yeah sure honey, keep telling yourself that”
*walks aways*

It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.

[treelville..miamiParticipant 893]

Women use that bs argument to hide the truth, that all women are s~~~ty and that blue pill men should keep searching for the mythical unicorn because she must be out there because nawalt. I say to hell with it.

Men don’t overuse the same slogan over and over to try and win an argument they’d rather apply truthful logic. Women will resort to the same shaming and nawalt tactics like clockwork, if I had a dollar every time a broad said nawalt I’d have a mountain of dollars.

"The wounds of honor are self inflicted"

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

SMAD wrote:

I definitely think every MGHOW is quite different. Some people might have elements of TradCon beliefs, others have PUA aspects and some might take up the occasional banner and fight for our rights as MRA’s. We MGTOW, however, are bound by many common attributes such as:

* The ability to sense female manipulation and logic failures
* A consensus that the system favours women and gynocentrism

* We have all either BEEN f~~~ed over or we have close relatives and friends who HAVE been f~~~ed over: Personal experience, or learning from others mistakes.

* We want to make the most of OUR lives and we put OUR needs and desires before anyone else (might be a slight variation if a MGHOW has children so I imagine this is flexible in that sense.)

* I believe MGTOW is a *CHOICE* – hence the red / blue bill philosophy.

Men get to a certain point where they have enough and so they CHOOSE to change their lives. I don’t think there are many here who felt they were FORCED to become MGTOW, although they may have had their eyes opened by a MGTOW and they have been shown the path.

I can see that as a generally true list.  I am not sure all fit every MGTOW.  And I think that may be a challenge here regarding MGTOW being a said “movement”.  In the case of myself, I hadn’t been screwed by women, or really know too many outside of myself, who had.  However, this whole dating and marriage system doesn’t work for me at all, and doesn’t deliver.  It is more like getting tired by the bull society spins and trying to get liberation.  So, it comes from a different place.

In this, I guess one can say I would say Not all, in relation to MGTOW, is a different beast than what is done on the NAWALT side.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Doing my own thing and not marrying. MGTOW. that’s it. Simple.

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[sidecarParticipant 35837]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

So, if there is Men bashing going on, or attacks against MGTOW, can’t the same be said?

It can be said, but why would you say it?

Instead, look them straight in the eye and say: “It’s true. ALL MEN ARE LIKE THAT. We are ALL completely fed up with your bulls~~~, and we are ALL eventually going to walk the hell away from you. Good luck with that. Hopefully you can train your cats to love and support you, because men are done.”

[narwhalParticipant]

I kind of see Richard’s point.  MGTOW are quick to refute the NAWALT argument.  However, a woman could throw ‘All men will lie to have sex with a woman’, for example,  in which I would reply NAMALT.  That’s quite true, I know plenty of men who wouldn’t do that.  However, all men are capable of lying for sex.   I’ve done it before, although it’s not my MO and not something I’ve done before.  Regardless, I can’t deny that there are plenty of men out there that lie for sex on a regular basis, some of them consider themselves MGTOW.  A woman should factor in the possibility the potential partner is lying to them…I will certainly make sure my daughter thinks this way when she becomes an adult.

So I think I’d say, sure men have some blame why relationships/marriage are in the toilet.  No argument there.  However, that not an argument for unequal rights in favor of women, nor is it any reason for me to participate in the marriage game.  I have no obligation to fix anything.

Ok. Then do it.

[BDParticipant 1146]

SMAD wrote:

* The ability to sense female manipulation and logic failures * A consensus that the system favours women and gynocentrism * We have all either BEEN f~~~ed over or we have close relatives and friends who HAVE been f~~~ed over: Personal experience, or learning from others mistakes. * We want to make the most of OUR lives and we put OUR needs and desires before anyone else (might be a slight variation if a MGHOW has children so I imagine this is flexible in that sense.) * I believe MGTOW is a *CHOICE* –

Bang on Smad! Awesome

I couldn’t care less about Nawalt or Namalt or whatever, I am Mgtow ,and I won’t waste my time explaining myself to invalids.

Translation of Nawalt – another tactic to try to extract your resources. Ignore.

We don’t judge a tree by the fruit it talks about, we judge a tree by the fruit that it bears. If they work to change the laws and society for true equality, I might acknowledge their existence, until then, no.

Their opinions are meaningless.

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[BONEParticipant 448]

So true, I shouldn’t have to explain myself to anybody about why I live my life the way I do, because 9 times out of 10 they don’t give a flying f~~~ anyway.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

narwhal wrote:

I kind of see Richard’s point. MGTOW are quick to refute the NAWALT argument. However, a woman could throw ‘All men will lie to have sex with a woman’, for example, in which I would reply NAMALT. That’s quite true, I know plenty of men who wouldn’t do that. However, all men are capable of lying for sex. I’ve done it before, although it’s not my MO and not something I’ve done before. Regardless, I can’t deny that there are plenty of men out there that lie for sex on a regular basis, some of them consider themselves MGTOW. A woman should factor in the possibility the potential partner is lying to them…I will certainly make sure my daughter thinks this way when she becomes an adult. So I think I’d say, sure men have some blame why relationships/marriage are in the toilet. No argument there. However, that not an argument for unequal rights in favor of women, nor is it any reason for me to participate in the marriage game. I have no obligation to fix anything.

Another part of this is, if you aren’t out there dating and so on, sleeping with women, you have to be gay.  All straight men are hunting down women for sex.  That is why I had put out NAMALT as something to say.  There is a presumption in the power play of defining values in society, like out of gynocentry that all men are certain things, and social patterns play around this.  And you have a bulk of men insecure of who they are, who then feel they need to have some identity handed to them, and they need to act in a certain way.

 

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

SMAD wrote:

I definitely think every MGHOW is quite different. Some people might have elements of TradCon beliefs, others have PUA aspects and some might take up the occasional banner and fight for our rights as MRA’s. We MGTOW, however, are bound by many common attributes such as:

* The ability to sense female manipulation and logic failures

* A consensus that the system favours women and gynocentrism

* We have all either BEEN f~~~ed over or we have close relatives and friends who HAVE been f~~~ed over: Personal experience, or learning from others mistakes.

* We want to make the most of OUR lives and we put OUR needs and desires before anyone else (might be a slight variation if a MGHOW has children so I imagine this is flexible in that sense.)

* I believe MGTOW is a *CHOICE* – hence the red / blue bill philosophy. Men get to a certain point where they have enough and so they CHOOSE to change their lives. I don’t think there are many here who felt they were FORCED to become MGTOW, although they may have had their eyes opened by a MGTOW and they have been shown the path.

Best explanation I have seen so far.

[Single SpearParticipant 19]

Right on Sidecar, If I could have I would have liked that post a hundred times

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

sidecar wrote:

richardhutnik wrote:

So, if there is Men bashing going on, or attacks against MGTOW, can’t the same be said?

It can be said, but why would you say it? Instead, look them straight in the eye and say: “It’s true. ALL MEN ARE LIKE THAT. We are ALL completely fed up with your bulls~~~, and we are ALL eventually going to walk the hell away from you. Good luck with that. Hopefully you can train your cats to love and support you, because men are done.”

I will then give a variation on a reply to the NAWALT comment in regards to me: All men in your life are like that, because there is one common reason for this problem: you.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[hmskl’dParticipant 6413]

If I see a woman who has fallen off her bicycle along the side of the hiking trail, I’ll do everything in my power to help her in any way I can.. same as anyone would do.
But, that’s about where it ends.. a caring gesture for another cyclist is one thing; allowing a woman to dictate my world is another. Once help has arrived or things are resolved, she goes her way; and I go mine.

[Darth SinParticipant 576]

MGTOW is about men striking out in a million different directions, like the particles in Brownian motion, each doing their own thing and living their lives on their own terms, independent of women and their approval as well as their mangina slaves. It is about being as independent as a man can be without getting in someone else’s way.

This is the opposite of pro-women movements such as feminism and suffragettes which were all about being part of the herd, self censoring to be in line with the herd’s ideology, and about living their lives according to the herd’s ideology. Its all about being part of the “team” or the “sisterhood” and you  have to be as extreme as everyone else or they eject you from the herd, just like they did with Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia.

Naturally MGTOW, as individuals are going to be different. Women on the other hand, are the opposite.

NAMALT is true because it makes perfect sense. NAWALT is false because it is plain deflection.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

narwhal wrote:

However, a woman could throw ‘All men will lie to have sex with a woman’, for example, in which I would reply NAMALT.

Personally, I go for the throat (logic wise): “Oh please. What about gay men? They don’t want to have sex with women, so they don’t lie to do it. And what about me? I don’t want to have sex with you, and that’s no lie. You’re completely full of s~~~ lady.”

See the thing is, when women try to make the NAWALT argument, they can’t actually come up with any examples supporting their claim. Men can. So don’t bother making the NAMALT argument. Just throw those examples right in her face from the start and shut her the f~~~ down.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

sidecar wrote:

Narwhal wrote:

However, a woman could throw ‘All men will lie to have sex with a woman’, for example, in which I would reply NAMALT.

Personally, I go for the throat (logic wise): “Oh please. What about gay men? They don’t want to have sex with women, so they don’t lie to do it. And what about me? I don’t want to have sex with you, and that’s no lie. You’re completely full of s~~~ lady.” See the thing is, when women try to make the NAWALT argument, <em class=”d4pbbc-italic”>they can’t actually come up with any examples supporting their claim. Men can. So don’t bother making the NAMALT argument. Just throw those examples right in her face from the start and shut her the f~~~ down.

Not all men, who are not gay, have to have sex with women (or get married).  Some men can rise above this nonsense and manipulation.  It happens.  Sexual activity alone is not a measure of a man’s orientation, no matter what they think.  So a NAMALT argument can be much stronger than the woman’s NAWALT argument.  NAWALT is a lottery ticket that is meant to sell men on continuing doing what they are doing, no matter how bad the odds, to keep them in line with the status quo.  This lottery ticket is used in a lot of areas, like you will have some tell a single guy hung up about women to not worry about it, because when the time is right, the right woman will come along.  The person saying this doesn’t know squat about this and give a lottery ticket hope for things.

 

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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