You thoughts?

* The ability to sense female manipulation and logic failures

* A consensus that the system favours women and gynocentrism

* We have all either BEEN f~~~ed over or we have close relatives and friends who HAVE been f~~~ed over: Personal experience, or learning from others mistakes.

* We want to make the most of OUR lives and we put OUR needs and desires before anyone else (might be a slight variation if a MGHOW has children so I imagine this is flexible in that sense.)

* I believe MGTOW is a *CHOICE* – hence the red / blue bill philosophy.  Men get to a certain point where they have enough and so they CHOOSE to change their lives.  I don’t think there are many here who felt they were FORCED to become MGTOW, although they may have had their eyes opened by a MGTOW and they have been shown the path.

MGTOW is simply setting out the reality to women that there is a growing subset of men who are not going to be dictated to by pussy power. If we assume NAMALT as an effort to defend such men against man bashing and shaming bulls~~~ pointing out counter examples won’t change anything because MGTOW still won’t be bowing to pussy power (due to the aforementioned gamble) and will still therefore be evil incarnate in the eyes of our detractors.

or attacks against MGTOW, can’t the same be said?

Like mgtow’s give a f~~~ about what they have to say.

-“Blah blah blah misogyny patriarchy blah blah you’re scared of strong wymyn blah blah”
-“Yeah sure honey, keep telling yourself that”
*walks aways*

Men don’t overuse the same slogan over and over to try and win an argument they’d rather apply truthful logic. Women will resort to the same shaming and nawalt tactics like clockwork, if I had a dollar every time a broad said nawalt I’d have a mountain of dollars.

I definitely think every MGHOW is quite different. Some people might have elements of TradCon beliefs, others have PUA aspects and some might take up the occasional banner and fight for our rights as MRA’s. We MGTOW, however, are bound by many common attributes such as:

* The ability to sense female manipulation and logic failures
* A consensus that the system favours women and gynocentrism

* We have all either BEEN f~~~ed over or we have close relatives and friends who HAVE been f~~~ed over: Personal experience, or learning from others mistakes.

* We want to make the most of OUR lives and we put OUR needs and desires before anyone else (might be a slight variation if a MGHOW has children so I imagine this is flexible in that sense.)

* I believe MGTOW is a *CHOICE* – hence the red / blue bill philosophy.

Men get to a certain point where they have enough and so they CHOOSE to change their lives. I don’t think there are many here who felt they were FORCED to become MGTOW, although they may have had their eyes opened by a MGTOW and they have been shown the path.

I can see that as a generally true list.  I am not sure all fit every MGTOW.  And I think that may be a challenge here regarding MGTOW being a said “movement”.  In the case of myself, I hadn’t been screwed by women, or really know too many outside of myself, who had.  However, this whole dating and marriage system doesn’t work for me at all, and doesn’t deliver.  It is more like getting tired by the bull society spins and trying to get liberation.  So, it comes from a different place.

In this, I guess one can say I would say Not all, in relation to MGTOW, is a different beast than what is done on the NAWALT side.

So, if there is Men bashing going on, or attacks against MGTOW, can’t the same be said?

It can be said, but why would you say it?

Instead, look them straight in the eye and say: “It’s true. ALL MEN ARE LIKE THAT. We are ALL completely fed up with your bulls~~~, and we are ALL eventually going to walk the hell away from you. Good luck with that. Hopefully you can train your cats to love and support you, because men are done.”

So I think I’d say, sure men have some blame why relationships/marriage are in the toilet.  No argument there.  However, that not an argument for unequal rights in favor of women, nor is it any reason for me to participate in the marriage game.  I have no obligation to fix anything.