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Hi all from Australia!
In the cooling off period between registering and being able to post I’ve had a bit of a look around here, not sure how well I will fit in or how well my message will be received, but here goes nothing.
I guess I was very lucky – growing up in the 70’s under 2nd wave feminism taught me what I needed to know about gender dynamics as a child before it was too late for me, so I never swallowed what you guys call the blue pill for a moment. Because of this I’ve never been badly burned by women, and don’t harbour the same vitriolic outlook that it seems a lot of you guys do. At the risk of sounding like a cliche, I have plenty of female friends. That said, from my perspective, the red pill as it is understood here is really just the tip of the iceberg. Gender bias is just a symptom of a deeper societal sickness.
I was a bright kid who made a lot of inferences and things seemed to be pretty simple: boys wear pants, girls can wear dresses or pants. Girls can do what they like because “equality”, but boys can’t. One year at school sports day, instead of the races being divided into boys and girls, they were divided into “girls” and “open” again, for “equality”. I asked, and was told that it was because in the past boys had more advantages, and now it was time to push the pendulum back the other way, to make things balanced and equal. This didn’t sit right with me. I know how a pendulum works, every kid knows that to get off a swing set you need to move toward the center from both sides, not push toward new extremes. But voicing that sort of thinking would be constantly shut down by adults with platitudes like “you think too much” or “you’re too smart for your own good” or “you’ll understand when you’re older” and it was not just women or feminists toeing the line, but every adult who would defend the status quo against my logic and reason. So I guess it was never a dichotomy of male vs female, the girls themselves weren’t to blame for the societal structure they were raised in any more than I was to blame for speaking English. The dichotomy for me was always logic vs. the status quo.
Wanted to post a couple of bit of pop culture I grew up with that have Red Pill philosophy.
Wham! Young guns, from 1982. At the time I was too young to understand he was speaking from a homosexual perspective, but the message is clear, and I would be constantly reminded of it when friends (male or female) partnered up and went through a kind of social death, in that they no longer came out with the group.
Then there’s this: Eddie Murphy doing standup on marriage, circa 1987 the link is just an excerpt but I recommend watching the whole thing.
I guess my point is that all the information was out there if your eyes were open to it, at least over the course of my lifetime.
This is already a long introduction, so I will try and cut to the point. I’m not an alpha or a beta or a Chad. I’ve never suffered at the hands of women because from the beginning I saw the materialism within people as a tool that Capitalism successfully used against them to enslave an entire population. I have nothing to lose. The first step on the path to my happiness was freeing myself of want. The second, which was almost automatic after the first was to free myself from hate. You can’t hate someone for wanting, only pity them that they are on an unhappy path. Things I see used on these forums to vilify women, like hypergamy for example, that simply does not apply to me – every relationship I have been in was because of who I was, not what I had.
I was reading through one thread here about saying “no” to a hot girl who asked for a drink at a bar… The “f~~~ you, got mine” mentality in that thread just made me sad. When I meet my friends at the pub, first thing I’ll do is say “I’m going to the bar, who wants a drink?” the offer is for everyone at the table, including friends of friends who I’ve never met before, gender doesn’t come into it. Some of the people will buy me a drink later in return, some won’t, some “independent” women will make a point of buying more drinks for me than I buy for them. I don’t care. I don’t keep score. People used to call me a nice guy before that term became tainted, now they call me a good friend, or a good person. I’m 45 with a job I like that pays enough I don’t have to work too often, no house, no car, no mortgage or other debts, no kids, cheap rent, almost all my income is “disposable”, life is good. Buying a drink for someone? It’s nothing.
OK, onto sex and sexuality. I’ve made my own path there as well, I don’t subscribe to the normal gender roles of male as pursuer/aggressor. Before online dating was a thing, I don’t think I ever even once initiated communication with a woman for sex, occasionally they will approach to me (more often gay guys would approach me, but that’s a whole other topic) in any case the sex dynamic for me today is very non standard and in my favour. In my 20’s I had a lot of unprotected sex and was responsible for 2 abortions and 2 or 3 miscarriages. Then I had a bad relationship (yet another topic) and swore off women entirely for most of my 30’s, then online dating was a thing, I appreciated the math behind OKCupid, I could pre-filter and only talk to women who were on my wavelength. But here’s the kicker – because of my experience in my 20’s, penis in vagina sex is now reserved only for women who I trust enough to bear and raise my children, which is a subset of women so tiny as to be practically non-existent, and something that takes months to figure out. I make that perfectly clear from the beginning, I’m more than happy to fool around, I’ll eat pussy on the first date, I enjoy it and don’t even mind if she reciprocates or not, of course only those who do reciprocate are worth seeing again. I guess the point here is that it is possible to control the narrative as a man, and that “consent” isn’t just for women.
Lastly… what brought me here? I had heard of MGTOW via all of that gamergate bulls~~~ a while back, usually in a pretty negative light so I ignored it, then recently I watched that doco “The Red Pill” which mentions you guys in passing, and having recently ended a relationship with an extraordinary woman on the grounds that I felt I would be detrimental to her in the long term, I guess I came here seeking a sounding board or echo chamber, since everyone I know – friends, family and the girl herself, keep telling me I’ve made a terrible mistake. But you know, reading the forums in the interim between registering and being able to post, I don’t really need that validation anymore, at least not from here. I just wanted to share my outlook and experiences, because I think it is pretty healthy compared to a lot of what I’ve been reading here.
Anonymous5Welcome. I’m from Australia too.
I’m not sure how you feel accusations of hypergamy are vitriolic. It’s not accusations, it’s a fact. I’d be a bit more understanding of the men in here who’ve been “Hypergimized”, it’s not a pleasant experience.
It’s strange you’d say something like this after stating you know all about women’s nature.
Women freely admit their hypergamous nature. I can understand how you’d be impervious to it because you seem to have no asserts, therefore you have never been a victim of it or ever will be by the sounds of it.I should take you down the pub next time I go. I’d sit you next to the door so you could shame men as they came in and tell them how sad they are if they don’t get me a free drink.
I’ll sit back and see how the average patron reacts to your shaming.
I’ll have the phone ready to call the ambulance.
Anonymous43Welcome amigo
Glad to meet ya
Welcome on board, well good for you, if you never drank the coolaid.
But allow me to retort, THIS PLACE IS THE HEALTHIEST THING I HAVE SEEN IN MY LIFE.
Since you never been burn you migth not see it like this.
But this place is like cold, clean and well preserved bottle of water after wandering in the desert for days, migth not solve the problem, but gives you a chance at survival.
Also it’s a great place to get information about what to do when things are going South (divorce).
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
Hey Prime, lots of Aussies get on here.
Welcome to the manosphere RP highway.
"Society is to blame" Denton
Welcome DP. I’ve visited Australia (Brisbane) in 1976 and 1978. You mentioned the Red Pill movie, and I’ve seen it, too. Recently the ICMI had a conference in Australia and we’ve all seen the videos of how the Australian media portrays men and men’s issues, so I’m a bit surprised that you’re taken aback by some of the posts on this forum. The mainstream media has brainwashed society and we are just a reaction to the vitriol that they tend to spew. It’s the same here in the U.S. That’s why you’re going to find many guys here that just don’t give a damn about women anymore. I hope you stick around, and I can’t wait for you to meet Blade. He posts some great stuff. And as you’ve already noticed by now, it’s not ALL about women here. If it was, what would be the point?
"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."
Welcome bro to the fold . Were you into the night club scene back in the day .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
I’ll have the phone ready to call the ambulance.
Speaking of ambulances i hope ya hit the m button . T points by the 3rd thread
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
joetech, I unplugged from mainstream media a long time ago so I didn’t see anything about the ICMI conference in Australia, I did see one video on YT about a Red Pill screening at Sydney Uni which had feminist protesters spewing almost the exact same line they’re shown chanting in the film, which was beautiful in it’s own way – they couldn’t have validated the film’s message any better if they wanted to.
Found it:
I guess the other part of why I am here is a few people who I have mentioned the film to in person had some very strong negative opinions about it without having seen it, opinions fed to them by media and certain leftist parts of the internet, and those opinions extend to MRA and MGTOW without any firsthand knowledge of either. I prefer to form my own opinions, and wanted to see for myself how things are here. I’m not so much taken aback, it’s more that being open and inclusive by nature, extending anyone and everyone the benefit of the doubt, means I come from a place of acceptance and contentment. I have stories of how I beat the game, but what I see here is quite a lot of resentment which in retrospect I guess should be expected and is totally understandable. So maybe I had a couple corners chipped off my optimism about this place is all, no big deal, not like I was expecting a hugfest or anything.
I guess the “AWALT is the hardest pill to swallow” in particular gives me pause, since when I meet someone who isn’t “like that” at all – male or female, I tend to make friends and get to know them, in the end my perspective has been skewed positive by surrounding myself with good people.
blade: no not really, despite posting a Wham video of all things. I was more into metal and punk back in the day. Occasionally we’d go to a club and slip the DJ a Mr Bungle CD or RATM before they were well known, and it would clear the dancefloor for a few of us to jump around. 😀
Are you a journolist .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
Are you a journolist .
Nope, I’m an absurdist.
Welcome. You seem to be something of an anomaly here since you haven’t really been burned by anyone. If you’re as aloof as you present yourself, you will probably remain safe from hypergamy.
Just by going on your introduction, I think you may actually be more of a Chad than you realize. Nothing wrong with that. Everybody fits in somewhere and I’d rather be a Chad than a simp.
Read through more forums and you will get a better perspective on what we are all about.
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Anonymous18every relationship I have been in was because of who I was, not what I had.
And you didn’t stick with any one of them because…?
The “f~~~ you, got mine” mentality in that thread just made me sad.
It was about a woman exploiting a man’s sexuality to get a free drink. As she would simply walk off after getting the free drink leaving the man feeling used.
Why does a whore being turned around and encouraged to buy her own drink make you sad?
She wasn’t his friend.
“I’m going to the bar, who wants a drink?” the offer is for everyone at the table, including friends of friends who I’ve never met before, gender doesn’t come into it.
Ok fair enough. That’s not the definition of free drinks men use when turning c~~~s down at bar. See above.
I’m more than happy to fool around, I’ll eat pussy on the first date, I enjoy it and don’t even mind if she reciprocates or not, of course only those who do reciprocate are worth seeing again.
That’s a s~~~ty metric to gauge someone’s worth for second date.
Oral cancers are on the rise due to genital HPV. Besides Chads I know and by some sluts’ confessions noone eats pussy. What you are tasting is other men’s dicks.
Going homo?
having recently ended a relationship with an extraordinary woman on the grounds that I felt I would be detrimental to her in the long term, I guess I came here seeking a sounding board or echo chamber, since everyone I know
I am calling you a tuna or a white knight at best.
She was truly an extraordinary woman. Win her back.
I don’t really need that validation anymore, at least not from here.
Then f~~~ off, mate.
Because of this I’ve never been badly burned by women, and don’t harbour the same vitriolic outlook that it seems a lot of you guys do.
Okay.
Then I had a bad relationship (yet another topic) and swore off women entirely for most of my 30’s,
WTF!
You are either severely blue-pill or a woman.
Anonymous3You have not been in Blue Pill hell b/c you live in Blue Pill heaven. A state of delusion.
I don’t believe you at all
When things look too good, ususllw their.
I don’t need any validation at all
Good luck to you
Mr. Good PersonGreetings DP, Like any new experience in life you will meet MGTOW members who you like and those that you don’t. It’s life, but it’s life under your terms and your conditions. Stay as long as you want and for as long as you need.
not sure how well I will fit in or how well my message will be received, but here goes nothing.
When you walk your own way, it’s your own way. There’s a saying “No F~~~s Given”. I am like you and also buy rounds for everyone at the table. Until they stop buying their rounds of course.
the offer is for everyone at the table, including friends of friends who I’ve never met before, gender doesn’t come into it.
This is a good site and there is a lot good commentary about a lot of issues in life that effect men.
I think it is pretty healthy compared to a lot of what I’ve been reading here.
Best of luck
"My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it." - Clarence Buddinton Kelland
Mate i’m in australia too, and if you cant see what is going on in the media and society in this place you’re either blind or a white knight/blue piller without knowing it.
Most of your post came off as pretty white knight-ish to me as well. I’m surprised so many guys have been as kind as they have to you in this thread. Just because you think something hasnt happened to you, doesnt give you the right to sit in judgement at anyone elses emotional reaction to things that did happen to them. Some of these guys have been truly f~~~ed over immensely, by someone who repeatedly told them they loved them, and someone these guys gave their heart and soul to. There is NOTHING like that betrayal. To truly understand someone, first you have to walk a mile in their shoes remember.
It honestly seems like you’re living in denial like a standard blue-pill/white knight mate.
Thanks for your introduction DP and the replies that it has generated.
Here are some thoughts that have come up as a result:
Masculine energy is rare in the Universe.
Masculinity is the foundation for civilization.
Men can only learn to be men from other men.
If masculine energy is manipulated by woman and/ or men are influenced by women, the result is abomination.
This web site is a gold mine. It is a good place for men to be men.
This web site is also a good place to learn and heal.
We can expect to find a lot of men who wash up on our shores to be damaged, unable to see the truth, and still be burdened with all sorts of strange compulsions. Many of them will say things that they learned on the Plantation.
A lot of men get close, but never make it. It is difficult to stand by and watch a man drowning so close to shore.
NAWALT and White Knighting are powerful forms of conditioning that may take a lifetime of hard work to unlearn even here on MGTOW.
Nevertheless, exposing a big pair of b~~~~ for everyone to see is a masculine trait. I respect a man who lays it all on the table right from the beginning.
Any attempt at honesty is courageous and manly.I appreciate your honesty DP. Bravo!
On the plantation, our masculine energy pushes us men to do things that are vilified. Our big b~~~~ drive us to act. In my case, it is a big pair of pink skinned b~~~~ with red hair. And it has been my experience that a lot of the stuff that we do are genuine f~~~ ups. S~~~ happens!
Introductions are really about establishing YOUR Bonifides.
The question of a man’s Bonifides happens because MGTOW is under constant attack and there are more feminist infiltrators attempting to put an end to MGTOW.com
Think about the origins of the practice of people clinking their glasses before drinking a toast.
This practice was developed to prevent murder by poison.
It is a matter of establishing trust.
Giving away unearned trust is a Big Mistake.
MGTOW’s should be encouraged to establish their Bonifides as soon as possible, preferably in their Introductions, and later earn that trust in the Forums.
Your f~~~ ups in your Introduction, DP, were Mansplained by the MGTOWs reply’s above.
And your opinions, especially about MGTOWs, are NOT Bonifides.
Here are some tips to help you further establish YOUR Bonifides:
Kindly share some stories of what YOUR life looks like now.
What are your hobbies?
Living situation?
Education/ Training?
Work situation and career aspirations?
What kind of fun things do YOU do?
What are your plans for the future?
Note: Do not give out any information about yourself that will enable our Great Enemy to identify you.
What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?
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