My Tradcon Mom

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

So I’m back in the home town after five years of avoiding it and I’m staying at my mother’s place… it’s turned out to be rather interesting.

I already knew she is a conservative but I doubt she has any real sense of my socio-political leanings, probably assuming I’m a rainbow flag waving socialist due to my having lived in San Francisco for a while.

Anyway, I wasn’t here for two hours when she asked me if I had a woman in my life ( ~ I will never let a woman in my life! ~ ) and was shocked when I told her I was kind of seeing someone. The truth is I banged a chick on the way out of town but talked up her good attributes so that my mother wouldn’t feel bad that I’m going to “be alone” the rest of my life. It’s a small thing to me but it means something to her.

Anyway, we went from there to talking about women in general and she laid down some pretty interesting stuff. Basically she said that feminists are stupid, men and women are obviously different and women just can’t do the s~~~ men do… which is why men and women exist in the first place. Yeah, I agreed with that. Then she mused as to why the young women are so into the “strong independent woman” thing and I gave her this:

“Because they’re young and cute and people listen to them. Behind them, however, are the older, angry, ugly ones who are telling them what to say so that they can get resources from men through the government rather than from individual men directly.”

“Because they hate men and they hate that they can’t do what men do.”

“Right. ‘Men are evil so I’m going to act just like a man!’ is something I could never understand.”

“In my day, we had it pretty good. Women could get an education and work if they wanted to but not many of them wanted to… it was just so much better to find a decent man and let him take care of you while you supported him and raised a family.”

“Talking like that in places like California could get you beaten up or killed these days. That’s why I moved to Nevada. But here’s the thing… I’ve lived on my own for so long… I can cook and clean and keep my house… if a woman wants to have a career and be independent that’s fine… but she had better figure out how to be happy doing it by herself because if she changes her mind, she’s going to find that us men just don’t need her any more. By the way, I want to take my brother in law out to go shooting… do you know his work schedule?”

“I’ve got a gun… I want to go too.”

So I’m going to the shooting range with my 78 year old mother and her 38 revolver tomorrow. That’ll be interesting.

[HitmanParticipant]

that was fantastic doc.
enjoy your time at the range with mom.
surreal to me,
i’m envious.
wish i could do that,
but my mom passed away .
they sound a lot alike.
that generation knew the deal.
..viva la differance !
smart lady your going with tomorrow.
treat her well.
SHE deserves it.
..can’t say 99% of women half her age do.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Hitman wrote:

that was fantastic doc.
enjoy your time at the range with mom.
surreal to me,
i’m envious.
wish i could do that,
but my mom passed away .
they sound a lot alike.
that generation knew the deal.
..viva la differance !
smart lady your going with tomorrow.
treat her well.
SHE deserves it.
..can’t say 99% of women half her age do.

And back then, they tolerated men f~~~ing around, and still loved them. Why? Because they knew where the bread was coming from. My mom’s parents had kids from the 50’s right up through the 70’s. 7 kids. Went through a lot of s~~~. At one point she caught him cheating and showed up at the family business with his bags packed all p~~~ed off. Fast forward, 2017.. Both have battled various forms of cancer together, and have stayed together, loving each other. Through all the bulls~~~. Wish I could have said that about my parents. Women back then were okay with the roles that had been traditionally passed down. As were the guys back then. Sure, guys back then were still simps too, but not like today. And the women of yesteryear hadn’t been brainwashed by this feminist propaganda.

[xlrsnbrgParticipant 1786]

Stargazer wrote:

“In my day, we had it pretty good. Women could get an education and work if they wanted to but not many of them wanted to… it was just so much better to find a decent man and let him take care of you while you supported him and raised a family.”

Not a unicorn. But realistic, honest and loyal. Education makes a huge difference.

A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)

[AkanbiParticipant 2120]

Doc Fenderson,

I’m going to borrow some material from this your post.

I’m preparing for the time when my parents will start asking when I’ll bring a laydee home and I have a feeling that time is close.

So if you don’t mind…

-my mother is also a “tradcon”.

My brother make you no follow sheeple o. Look them and Go Your Way.

[President SnowParticipant 72]

This is totally off-topic:

How do you do those male/female icons?

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Stargazer wrote:

“In my day, we had it pretty good. Women could get an education and work if they wanted to but not many of them wanted to… it was just so much better to find a decent man and let him take care of you while you supported him and raised a family.”

I think what’s been lost over the past 50 years is, “while YOU (IE: WOMEN) supported HIM AND raised a family.” The tradcon deal was still a s~~~ty deal for MEN 50 years ago, but at least for HIS UTILITY he could have a Women that SUPPORTED HIM AND RAISED A FAMILY.

I guess what that boils down to is the MAN could EXPECT: 3 meals a day, a CLEAN house, kids taken care of, a f~~~in blowjob periodically throughout the week, and hopefully minimal BITCHING along the way.

Now, WOMEN only offer Empty Promises/Lies and BITCHING !!

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[narwhalParticipant]

President Snow wrote:

This is totally off-topic:

How do you do those male/female icons?

Remove the “*”s from below.

[*male*] or [*female*]

Interesting conversation Doc. My mother is tradcon as well, though not nearly as traditional. My parents used to fight a lot, and looking back, much of it had to do with my Dad running things and my mother not liking where it all was going.

I’ve had discussions with her regarding dating and relationships, and she is pretty good at accepting a logical argument. She is also fiercely protective of her children, so when I explain the risks I see, she will accept that. She also lives alone right now, with no interest in a relationship, and understands the hypocrisy of pushing me towards one.

In the past, she’s encouraged relationships. After I tell her it’s over, she usually will tell me a few things she didn’t like about the girl.

Probably her biggest concern about me being in a relationship is money. She understands how expensive it would be. Even women were not as poor an option as they are today, she would probably still be in agreement that it’s just too expensive.

Ok. Then do it.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Akanbi wrote:

Doc Fenderson,I’m going to borrow some material from this your post.

Sure thing!

Yeah, the deal has always been crap for men… sacrifice yourself for the good of women and children but that was the only way the species could survive so it was a bargain that men accepted because, in exchange, men got authority, their children belonged to them and they could reasonably expect a peaceful and well kept home to come back to at the end of the day.

Once women started to refuse to keep up their end of the bargain while still expecting men to keep theirs, the balance tipped and marriage became a losing proposition for men.

Now the raw deal has been extended even to unmarried men as the system will pursue us for our resources and take them from us by force to give to women we don’t even know.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

narwhal wrote:

President Snow wrote:

This is totally off-topic:

How do you do those male/female icons?

Remove the “*”s from below.

[*male*] or [*female*]

Interesting conversation Doc. My mother is tradcon as well, though not nearly as traditional. My parents used to fight a lot, and looking back, much of it had to do with my Dad running things and my mother not liking where it all was going.

I’ve had discussions with her regarding dating and relationships, and she is pretty good at accepting a logical argument. She is also fiercely protective of her children, so when I explain the risks I see, she will accept that. She also lives alone right now, with no interest in a relationship, and understands the hypocrisy of pushing me towards one.

In the past, she’s encouraged relationships. After I tell her it’s over, she usually will tell me a few things she didn’t like about the girl.

Probably her biggest concern about me being in a relationship is money. She understands how expensive it would be. Even women were not as poor an option as they are today, she would probably still be in agreement that it’s just too expensive.

Tradcons when they start to understand how f~~~ed the system is, start to become conflicted. On one hand, they want you to continue the system they were bred into. They expect you to take after your father, and insist you find a hypergamous wife. On the other hand, they want to protect their son because they understand female nature and see it in society getting worse. So when you bring your concerns to the forefront, they understand. Taking into account the divorce rates, they don’t want to see their son divorced, broke, and paying out the ass.

I’m 33. I think my parents have universally accepted I’m not getting married. My dad sees me not engaging with women and having relations~~~s. I run the MGTOW mentality on him every week. A constant reminder of how s~~~ the system is, and the games women play, making it clear I want no part in that. Sometimes I wonder what the conversations would have been like had I told them my MGTOW stance at 18.

[freedomParticipant 5129]

You are a brave lad, talking about those things with your mom, my mom still hopes to see me married some day, lucky for me , she already has grand kids from my sisters , so she is not overly obsessed with my marital status.

Lately, I started to think that maybe she also thinks that I need a timeout from women, though I do get the ” you need a gal” from my family every once in a while.

[AttonParticipant]

At least she is not a bigot.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Well, I let her start The conversation. I know she was a house wife most of her adult life, a school teacher before and after she was with my father (Stayed with him and took care of him until he died) so i can guess from her life story that she’s not going to suddenly go all grrrl power on me.

She may still be holding out for me to meet someone but she’s already got four bloodline grandkids and three more by marriage so I’m under no pressure.

This is my adopted father’s second wife as well… so while she raised me and was the closest thing to a real mom I had, I never have felt any obligation to pretend to be something I’m not around her to save her feelings.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Sounds like conversations I’ve had with my grandmother who is a few years older. She treated my grandfather like a king and waited on him hand and foot until the day he died, and was actually grateful and thankful that he took care of her financially. From the time they had their first kid on she never had to work outside of the house…but she held up her end of the bargain, their house was always immaculate, she had breakfast ready for him when he woke up, his brown bagged lunch ready to go to work with him on his way out the door, a hot dinner when he got home, and considering all 4 of their kids ended up doing alright for themselves in life and none of them having a criminal record, she obviously did something right in terms of raising the kids as well.

Its kind of sad though because she’d like me to find a good woman but from all the young women she knows and all the stories she’s heard from various friends and neighbors about their grand daughters that are around my age, I think she knows my generation is f~~~ed up beyond repair and I’ll never find what her generation considered a good woman. I know most guys on here don’t believe unicorns exist and I’m not one of them…I just think all the unicorns are old enough to have predated the toxicity of feminism. If I could go back in time and get the deal my grandfather got I’d do it in a heartbeat, and I don’t think that deal was super rare back then.

Awakened wrote:

I think what’s been lost over the past 50 years is, “while YOU (IE: WOMEN) supported HIM AND raised a family.” The tradcon deal was still a s~~~ty deal for MEN 50 years ago, but at least for HIS UTILITY he could have a Women that SUPPORTED HIM AND RAISED A FAMILY.

I guess what that boils down to is the MAN could EXPECT: 3 meals a day, a CLEAN house, kids taken care of, a f~~~in blowjob periodically throughout the week, and hopefully minimal BITCHING along the way.

Now, WOMEN only offer Empty Promises/Lies and BITCHING !!

I don’t think it was that bad of a deal if you go back in time 100 years. If you were going to have a lot of kids and a lot of the modern household items we have now didn’t exist a housewife was a lot more of a job than it is today. Laundry for example…how long would it take to do laundry for a large family by hand…my god it must have sucked. Nowadays you just toss it in the washing machine and it takes very little time or effort. Or cooking…back then people actually cooked home made stuff from scratch, which is a hell of a lot more time consuming than pre-made meals or frozen crap.

Modern times though…”housewife” is pretty much synonymous with “early retirement.” I could see one parent taking a few years off of work when kids are young but soon as the youngest is off to school said parent should get their ass back to work even if just part time while the kid is at school. Even if they only make 20k a year at some joke job, that still is enough to max a 401k which means the other spouse could probably retire a decade earlier vs just having a stay at home leech.

IRuleMe wrote:

I’m 33. I think my parents have universally accepted I’m not getting married. My dad sees me not engaging with women and having relations~~~s. I run the MGTOW mentality on him every week. A constant reminder of how s~~~ the system is, and the games women play, making it clear I want no part in that. Sometimes I wonder what the conversations would have been like had I told them my MGTOW stance at 18.

Haha sounds like my life. My dad is pretty red pill from a lifetime of watching friends and coworkers get divorce raped as well as my mom being a miserable c~~~ for most of their marriage. Even when I was more blue pill he’d say things like “You don’t have to get married to have kids these days.” Whenever my mom gets on my case about it I drop a few red pills and she backs off lol. I’m pretty sure she knows what a s~~~ deal for men marriage is these days…she just has to try it every now and then because she wants grand kids. Its pretty satisfying using things she has said and done over the years as examples of why I’ll never marry or have kids, its a total slap in the face to her knowing her own c~~~ish ways are part of the reason why she will never have grand kids from me because I’d hate to be stuck with a woman that does some of the s~~~ she has which isn’t uncommon s~~~ for women to do these days.

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