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Exsliventxs, I can sympathize with your rant, but I seriously doubt you’ll live long enough to see the day when the United States or Europe no longer has white people. That may or may not happen 1000 years from now. Nobody is either forcing people to have or not have babies. If one race feels they should be the majority, they are welcome to make as many babies as they want—all I ask is that the parents get the resources to take care of their own kids without taxing my paycheck, my savings, my retirement fund, my land, and other future assets. By the way, I don’t see black Americans having a major impact on the population of the United States as much as Latin American and Asian immigrants. For example: I live in California and there are more Asians than blacks here. Most white, black, and Asian couples will have no more than 3 children. The birth rate is usually low among middle-class and wealthy Americans of all races, but it’s usually high among the poor. Isn’t that interesting? Wouldn’t it make sense if those statistics were reversed? There are over 40 million Americans using an EBT card and a fraction of them are not white. Believe me, we’ve got irresponsible people of all races getting government handouts, I see them all the time. But beyond the racial statistics, there are those that PLAN their pregnancies and those that don’t. These are choices that individuals make and most of us pay for with our taxes. I want to live in a society where everybody plans their pregnancies very carefully. I expect them to build a nest before they lay the egg.
"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)
Personally, I think the hordes of irresponsible unaccountable Chad Thunderc~~~s who sired these poor children should chip in to feed their own kids.
I’m sorry, but no. F~~~ that. That only sustains the problem.
When those “irresponsible” men have the same “right to choose” as the women producing these unsustainable babies, only then should they have the responsibility to pay. The root cause of the problem today is that men ARE the ones with the responsibility to pay, but not the ones with the “right to choose”, while the women have the sole “right to choose” and absolutely no responsibilities whatsoever.
Eveyone has the right to have children, even the poor and dumb.
Yes, we all have the right to have children, but does everyone in my neighborhood have the right to control my paycheck?
What I think Untamed is missing here is that rights and responsibilities, by necessity, are one and the same thing. Any attempt to decouple the two, as our society currently does with procreation, will only result in instability and collapse. We are watching that happen right now.
When Untamed says: “everyone has the right to have children,” he is missing (or ignoring) the absolutely necessary second half of that statement: “everyone must be absolutely responsible to pay for their own children.”
I once worked for a man who said WIC (Women Infant Children) program was called ‘wic’ because all the recipients were so fat you could light them like a candle ‘wick’ and they would burn due to high body fat. That was in the mid-1990’s. Back then, there were about HALF the recipients on that particular dole as there are now. http://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/pd/wisummary.pdf
Qualitatively, it seems there are more people not working, and having children they cannot afford by most metrics.
Food stamps are on the rise, with about 1 in 6 Americans receiving them — figures have ebbed and flowed with recessions, but gone up with time — faster than population growth. http://www.statista.com/statistics/314662/us-supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program-average-participation/ — much of it to single parents but not all.
If you divide the seventy four billion spent on SNAP (snapping the taxpayer’s neck?) by the half of the population that actually works and pays taxe$, it amounts to about five hundred dollars per taxpayer per year. More, obviously, if I exclude those workers that work for the federal + state + local government.
I would propose putting Chad Thunderc~~~’s demon spawn up for adoption to the half of the population that believes in working. If we must give subsidies, better to give them to intact families that want children, to raise Chad’s kids responsibly. I think it would also be good to require sterilization for those receiving over, say, ten thousand dollars of combined federal + state + local aid if they want any more aid. OR they can choose to put the child up for adoption to RESPONSIBLE parents.
Sidecar: You have a good point about males having no choice in pregnancy.
I would propose putting Chad Thunderc~~~’s demon spawn
But they’re not Chad’s. Not really. How can they be when Chad didn’t have the choice to have them or not? Hell, a large part of the time Chad is just the name that Mommy put down on the government paper to get taxpaper funded benefits, and has nothing to do with the child, genetic or otherwise.
The point is that single mothers have the choice – single mothers have the control – so single mothers should be held accountable for their choice, not anyone else. Failing to do that is failing to solve the problem.
And merely taking the children away from single mothers is not enough. It is not holding them accountable for their choices. It doesn’t dissuade them from having more children they cannot afford to feed. Single mothers need to either pay themselves to raise the children they CHOOSE to produce, or pay child support to whoever does raise them.
Single mothers have no incentive to choose responsibly so long as they are not held responsible for their choices.
I would propose putting Chad Thunderc~~~’s demon spawn
But they’re not Chad’s. Not really. How can they be when Chad didn’t have the choice to have them or not? Hell, a large part of the time Chad is just the name that Mommy put down on the government paper to get taxpaper funded benefits, and has nothing to do with the child, genetic or otherwise.
The point is that single mothers have the choice – single mothers have the control – so single mothers should be held accountable for their choice, not anyone else. Failing to do that is failing to solve the problem.
And merely taking the children away from single mothers is not enough. It is not holding them accountable for their choices. It doesn’t dissuade them from having more children they cannot afford to feed. Single mothers need to either pay themselves to raise the children they CHOOSE to produce, or pay child support to whoever does raise them.
Single mothers have no incentive to choose responsibly so long as they are not held responsible for their choices.Realistically, single mothers cannot pay to any significant extent — any more than gangsta Chad can pay. They don’t have any earning capability or skills — at least, the youngest of them typically do not. Not offering them benefits (WIC, SNAP, Section 8, EITC, etc), would force them to put the child up for adoption — in my view, they’re irresponsible and thus unfit, so this is a good outcome.
That would at least help break the generational welfare ‘cycle’. I suppose you could throw them in a work camp to pay the child support, but I don’t see how else you’re gonna get much out of them. Requiring her to get birth control implants and check in, and throwing her into jail for another pregnancy she couldn’t support, doesn’t seem like a bad idea, either. The girls I knew in high school who got pregnant executed bad judgment — sex without birth control or without multiple forms of birth control. Often the guys didn’t even wear condoms so the probability of pregnancy went way up…
So I agree Chad should have some say (i.e. if she doesn’t want the child and he wants to support it, giving him first right for adoption makes sense to me). If she does want it and he doesn’t, and she can’t pay for the child, ending the benefits programs would help because then she’d have to put it up for adoption. Giving her a nice ‘Leach’ tattoo after this also sounds good.. If the benefits programs disappeared, the illegitimacy rate amongst the poor would plummet; history tells us that.
The reality is both Chad and the girl have ready access to birth control typically in the developed world, and often, choose not to use it. Sometimes it is deception by the girl, but often just horny teenagers.
This world is f~~~ed beyond repair mostly because we reward irresponsible little girls carte blanch for producing babies they cannot possibly afford to feed. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that policy is utterly unsustainable and will only collapse horrifically. Prissy pollyanna concepts like “innocence” are irrelevant. Babies WILL starve. It is absolutely a choice between a few babies starving now or countless babies starving in the future, along with everyone else.
The only way to prevent either is by holding irresponsible mothers responsible. I know a number of stupid little girls who have had their children removed from them by the state. NOT ONE OF THEM IS PAYING CHILD SUPPORT. That’s the problem right there. Women have all the “right to choose” but absolutely none of the responsibilities for their choices.Okay. Let’s lobby to cut Aid to Families, then. Forget Men’s Rights and on to Tax Fairness.
No more WIC, no more Welfare, no more Unemployment ( job loss is his/her fault and no one should pay for someone else’s f~~~up ), no more Child Tax Credit and the children can go F~~~ themselves because their parents are scumbags.
In fact, let’s lobby to pay no more taxes and speed up the fall of society, cut the misery right now and adopt a Chaotic Anarchist world view. Anyone who might need help can just die because no one should need help if they live their lives according to you guys.My children partially grew up on WIC and Welfare when I was in-between jobs. They’re grown now. They’re not in jail, they haven’t gone and took what’s not theirs, they’re educated, intelligent and productive members of our society but according to you, my ex wife was wrong for having them and I was wrong for procreating because I wasn’t “intelligent” enough to give them all they needed when they were kids?
You’re saying we should have aborted all our three kids because I don’t have a 150IQ and didn’t have 0000 in the bank when they were born.
Yeah… sure.Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!And then they say that the men are dead beats. The 20 women that I delivered, while a small N, all wanted nothing to do with the father of their child.
These fathers are no longer fathers. In our species both mothers and fathers love their children.
Fathers are written out of the script by poor single mothers because these mothers want complete control over the kids and the money that comes with them.
They won’t even put the fathers name on the birth certificate. Since most of the fathers are 15 year old children destined to a thug like the mothers are, the mothers don’t even list the father on the birth certificate.
They don’t want some dude or his family coming around to see their grandbaby. So these simple minded leeches are smart enough to keep half of the babies support system from having anything to do with the baby because it gives her more control.
btw: Even poor dads fight for custody of their kids, frequently citing the poor choices of the mother and the mother says she’s “afraid” and get’s a restraining order. I’ve seen it while I was waiting in family court with my own eyes.You’re right.
I don’t see where it’s the kids fault in all that. Maybe someone can explain that to me since I don’t seem to get it… I should really work on my IQ. Now my kids are dumb and it’s my fault, I passed the the ‘Stupid gene’ on to them. I shoulda killed myself and do everybody a favor.Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!I’m sorry, but no. F~~~ that. That only sustains the problem.
When those “irresponsible” men have the same “right to choose” as the women producing these unsustainable babies, only then should they have the responsibility to pay. The root cause of the problem today is that men ARE the ones with the responsibility to pay, but not the ones with the “right to choose”, while the women have the sole “right to choose” and absolutely no responsibilities whatsoever.
Men have the right to choose. They can very easily just go monk, use a condom, or get snipped. Women don’t magically get all the choice just because the pill is available for them and not us. The dad’s should be responsible because the alternative is the government, aka my tax money, ends up being responsible.
Yeah I think its low down and scummy when women lie about being on the pill and a gullible sucker falls for it, but I don’t want to have to pay for his mistake.
Would you still be saying women have all the choice if a male pill was available?
Anonymous11but not the ones with the “right to choose”, while the women have the sole “right to choose” and absolutely no responsibilities whatsoever.
You’re right SideCar. Women’s arbitrary choices are the problem. They choose to sleep with Chad and do nothing as the State will back them up always no matter what route they choose to take.
I know a guy who have been f~~~ing ruined for life by a bitch who makes a 6 figure income and used the law to abuse him for 20 years with great glee on her part. Why a c~~~ who makes six figures is allowed to destroy a guy through child support law enforcement is beyond me. I also know guys whose only way to have survived the ordeal was by working side jobs under the table. They all lived in squalor too.
I also know more than one Chad Thunderc~~~ who has sired many a bastard and not a damn thing ever happens to them. Again, the woman’s choice always comes into play. Not very f~~~ing fair to the guys who got snared in the legal system or guys such as myself who have no children, . Chad just f~~~ing skates along. Life is never really fair though. I just don’t like seeing the Chad’s face no consequences while good men go down in flames.
@untamed: My brother had a hard time where WIC and EBT helped support his family. Of course, his wife stood by him too nor did they abuse the system. The portion of my tax dollar that goes to feed truly hungry children does not bother me. Whenever I see EBT card sellers and steak and crab legs being paid for via EBT my blood boils.
How do we make women truly accountable for their poor choices? They wield these children as weapons of mass accumulation.
@untamed: My brother had a hard time where WIC and EBT helped support his family. Of course, his wife stood by him too nor did they abuse the system. The portion of my tax dollar that goes to feed truly hungry children does not bother me. Whenever I see EBT card sellers and steak and crab legs being paid for via EBT my blood boils.
How do we make women truly accountable for their poor choices? They wield these children as weapons of mass accumulation.Having a child is never a poor choice. Many people who grew up on gubberment dole ended up having positive and lasting impact on our world and many who had “responsible” parents ended up bad, some are in our govments now f~~~ing things up.
The responsibilities parents must take towards their children depends also on their environment and the type of society they live in. No family is imune to outside forces and many a divorce has been caused by parties other than the parents. Should I expound?
Making the children pay for the parents is insane. Many parents started well off. Does s~~~ never happen?
I was fired from a job because I had to leave my post, otherwise, the doctors said, my 9-month old daughter would be dead. Had I abandoned my post 30mins later, she woulda been a corpse!
You know what the boss said after I explained?
– You had to wait to be relieved. You failed in your responsibilities. You abandoned your post! Give back all your equipment, you’re fired. (!?)
Had I not been a deluded Bluepiller White Knight I woulda shoved everyone of his 50$ fountain-pens so far up his ass he’d be writing with his nose.Yes there are too many couch potatoes taking advantage of the system. Want a solution?
Make them WORK for the Food Stamps. There’s nothing wrong with them, father or mother.
In jail? Then its community service. Plenty of building and roads and parks and schools need repair and plenty of small businesses can use the labor. Put them to work!
Mother at home watching TV “taking care of the kids”? Yeah, right Get her ass cooking for the community with the rest of them. Plenty of charitable organizations can use the help. Let another mother get her foodstamps working for Day Care.
I don’t have all the answers.
One thing is clear, and in this I agree with you all: things can’t go on the way they’ve been going.Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!
Anonymous11Having a child is never a poor choice
I’ll take that as the truth about children from those with them for better or worse I’ll never know. That’s not the first time I’ve heard it. Even my parents said it too.
Your boss put you in that situation. He’s a f~~~ing sociopath prick, and you did the right thing. I would have told him to go f~~~ himself right on the spot. You probably would have qualified for unemployment insurance too under those conditions. I don’t know if you filed though.
My experience as a single guy was watching my coworkers, on more than one occasion claim their kids were sick, while dumping their work on the blue pill single guy who also happened to be taking care of an elderly dying parent at that time. The next day I’d hear about the fun they all had at dart night or some other bulls~~~ through the grapevine.
Many people are just abusers of any situation they can take advantage.
Exsliventxs, I can sympathize with your rant, but I seriously doubt you’ll live long enough to see the day when the United States or Europe no longer has white people. That may or may not happen 1000 years from now. Nobody is either forcing people to have or not have babies. If one race feels they should be the majority, they are welcome to make as many babies as they want—all I ask is that the parents get the resources to take care of their own kids without taxing my paycheck, my savings, my retirement fund, my land, and other future assets. By the way, I don’t see black Americans having a major impact on the population of the United States as much as Latin American and Asian immigrants. For example: I live in California and there are more Asians than blacks here. Most white, black, and Asian couples will have no more than 3 children. The birth rate is usually low among middle-class and wealthy Americans of all races, but it’s usually high among the poor. Isn’t that interesting? Wouldn’t it make sense if those statistics were reversed? There are over 40 million Americans using an EBT card and a fraction of them are not white. Believe me, we’ve got irresponsible people of all races getting government handouts, I see them all the time. But beyond the racial statistics, there are those that PLAN their pregnancies and those that don’t. These are choices that individuals make and most of us pay for with our taxes. I want to live in a society where everybody plans their pregnancies very carefully. I expect them to build a nest before they lay the egg.
I understand and agree. I know there are lots of poor whities on the EBT, trust me. I remember a few years ago, they came in trying to buy smokes and beer with their EBT. I just gave them this look. -_- and informed them it was illegal (They knew this, but were trying to play me as a chump.)
I used to HAAATE working 65+ hours a week at low wage and barely make enough only to watch these yokels stroll in and buy 100 dollars worth of junk food on their EBT that I couldn’t even afford. It’ll collapse eventually, it’s not sustainable.
Having a child is never a poor choice
I’ll take that as the truth about children from those with them for better or worse I’ll never know. That’s not the first time I’ve heard it. Even my parents said it too.
Your boss put you in that situation. He’s a f~~~ing sociopath prick, and you did the right thing. I would have told him to go f~~~ himself right on the spot. You probably would have qualified for unemployment insurance too under those conditions. I don’t know if you filed though.
My experience as a single guy was watching my coworkers, on more than one occasion claim their kids were sick, while dumping their work on the blue pill single guy who also happened to be taking care of an elderly dying parent at that time. The next day I’d hear about the fun they all had at dart night or some other bulls~~~ through the grapevine.
Many people are just abusers of any situation they can take advantage.
Oh, don’t get me started on flakes who don’t want to work for their money I’ll be here all night. As far as unemployment went I did not qualify nor did they count me in the welfare file, it was like I didn’t exist but I didn’t care, I took the help to feed my kids. But I do think that gubberment welfare program should be temporary, like two years max. But again, look at the state of the economy. They’re having to come up with other ways to punish the “deadbeat dads” because even the bloodsucking system cannot get blood out of a turnip.
We’re discussing an issue that is only symptomatic of a bigger disease.Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!Realistically, single mothers cannot pay to any significant extent
Which is why they should not CHOOSE to become single mothers. If they know their new little bundle of joy is going to come with a big fat bill instead of a big fat monthly check, they’ll choose differently. You don’t need to start work camps or any of that nonsense, simply make women accountable for their own choices.
No more WIC, no more Welfare, no more Unemployment
Once of these things is not like the others.
You are lumping in multiple things together to try to make an argument where you don’t have one.
Unemployment is not always by choice. Moreover you pay for unemployment yourself when you are employed, so you are getting back what you have already contributed. But for the last 42 years, every single child IS a choice. A woman’s choice. There may be accidental pregnancies, but there is no such thing as an accidental birth.
Having a child is never a poor choice.
BULLS~~~!
I know several women who make a living s~~~ting out one drug addicted baby after another only to have the state expend thousands to millions of dollars saving these children and trying to “preserve the mother child bond” only to eventually give up and terminate her parental rights. At which point the little bitches exercise their “right to choose” to get pregnant again. Rinse. Repeat repeat repeat.
And at best those poor kids grow up f~~~ed up and underachieving. At worst they are a horrific burden on everyone else around them.
You CANNOT claim that having those children wasn’t a poor choice.
Having a child is the single most selfish thing a person can do. It is that person insisting that them self, their genes, travel on into the future. And if that person is unable to raise that child it’s also the single most cruel and vicious thing a person can do.
WHY THE F~~~ ARE WE SUBSIDIZING AND REWARDING THAT SELFISH CRUELTY?
Realistically, single mothers cannot pay to any significant extent
Which is why they should not CHOOSE to become single mothers. If they know their new little bundle of joy is going to come with a big fat bill instead of a big fat monthly check, they’ll choose differently. You don’t need to start work camps or any of that nonsense, simply make women accountable for their own choices.
No more WIC, no more Welfare, no more Unemployment
Once of these things is not like the others.
You are lumping in multiple things together to try to make an argument where you don’t have one.
Unemployment is not always by choice. Moreover you pay for unemployment yourself when you are employed, so you are getting back what you have already contributed. But for the last 42 years, every single child IS a choice. A woman’s choice. There may be accidental pregnancies, but there is no such thing as an accidental birth.
Having a child is never a poor choice.
BULLS~~~!
I know several women who make a living s~~~ting out one drug addicted baby after another only to have the state expend thousands to millions of dollars saving these children and trying to “preserve the mother child bond” only to eventually give up and terminate her parental rights. At which point the little bitches exercise their “right to choose” to get pregnant again. Rinse. Repeat repeat repeat.
And at best those poor kids grow up f~~~ed up and underachieving. At worst they are a horrific burden on everyone else around them.
You CANNOT claim that having those children wasn’t a poor choice.
Having a child is the single most selfish thing a person can do. It is that person insisting that them self, their genes, travel on into the future. And if that person is unable to raise that child it’s also the single most cruel and vicious thing a person can do.
WHY THE F~~~ ARE WE SUBSIDIZING AND REWARDING THAT SELFISH CRUELTY?
You talk like you were never a child. Do you think your parents were selfish to procreate you?
Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!It’s funny considering how women have a limited number of eggs so biologically they are the more selective gender when it comes to reproducing, yet women never seem to make the right choice. You would think women would say something like “hey look at that guy. He has a job, he is good with kids, wants his own children, and is a nice guy. Perhaps I should reproduce with him if things work out.” But no women instead tend to have the mind set of “that guy is a dead beat who can’t hold down a job, has abused his ex girlfriends, sleeps around, and doesn’t have the patience to deal with children. Better get knocked up by him.”.
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