My introduction, 21 year old Londoner.

[TheJuryParticipant 20]

Good Morning/Day/Evening MGTOW community.
First of all I’d just like to say I have stumbled upon MGTOW/Red Pill concepts very recently (in the last week), but nonetheless I thought I would join the forum to further my understanding and get involved in the conversation.

Now, some brief backstory:
I’m 21yrs old and from London, UK. I’ve just recently finished studying for my Bachelor of Laws degree and I’m now awaiting results. Following graduation I will then proceed with finding a suitable career for myself.
Without sounding arrogant, I would consider myself to be an attractive guy, I’m 6’3 and physically in great shape.
What has drawn me to MGTOWism is the social ridicule which I face due to my family’s dire financial situation. Without going into too much detail, during the financial crisis of ’07-08 my father lost our business, our family home etc… From then on it has been an uphill struggle financially for us (sorry if this sounds like a sob-story, I’m just trying to relay the facts briefly.
I have noticed how differently women treat me when they realise that I am not from a wealthy background as they may first expect I am, and this just reaffirms the ‘red pill’ notion that women are principally concerned with your finances, as opposed to your actual human qualities such as loyalty, honesty, integrity, compassion etc…

On a side-note, I have been involved in two romantic relationships in my life:
Relationship Number One: AKA high-school sweetheart. I met X when I was 15 in school, she was a beautiful girl, very pure looking. We flirted for a year straight before commencing a relationship at the age of 16, which lasted until a week or so after my 18th birthday. She broke up with me in a brutal way, and at the time I took it very badly. It stung me deeply. However, the pain it caused me gave me great motivation to stay in peak physical condition, and get into better shape following on from that, in addition to seriously pursuing my educational goals and bettering myself (don’t be bitter, just get better mentality). In a way you, perhaps you could say the break-up had positive aspects. I have not seen X since we broke-up, but strangely I do still think about her intermittently, essentially wondering how she is doing.

Relationship number two: I began dating Y a few months after I broke up with X. I became heavily invested and infatuated with Y very quickly, and we had a great relationship. Y was a great person, far superior to X in every way possible, she was very loyal, caring, understanding, didn’t care about my family’s financial woes and I think she saw the goodness in me. Unfortunately, throughout our 2.5 year (on and off) relationship I made many mistakes which I am ashamed of, I didn’t treat her as well she treated me and this is something which I do regret. I broke it off in November last year, it was not working, I’m sure this temporarily broke her heart. However, she is absolutely stunning, and finding a replacement for me would not be a problem for her, if she has chosen to do so; which in a strange way doesn’t evoke feelings of jealousy, but is somewhat comforting, as she deserves happiness.

I would like to apologise for the lack of structure in this introduction, but I am slightly unsure as to what you guys would like to know, and what you wouldn’t.
Either way, thank you for taking the time to read my post, I look forward to conversing with you all and bid you a fine day.
– The Jury.

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Welcome! My best wishes for your life path, may it be a satisfying and happy one!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[ChuddoxParticipant 585]

Welcome, This is a great site to learn from.

What realm of law interests you? I know most attorneys usually pick a specialty, because of the diverse complexities involved.

“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard

[TheJuryParticipant 20]

Chuddox wrote:

Welcome, This is a great site to learn from.

What realm of law interests you? I know most attorneys usually pick a specialty, because of the diverse complexities involved.

Chuddox wrote:

Welcome, This is a great site to learn from.

What realm of law interests you? I know most attorneys usually pick a specialty, because of the diverse complexities involved.

Thank you for your warm welcome gentlemen. I hope I can absorb some of the knowledge on this website and not make the same mistakes as others have.

I’m assuming you are American, so perhaps the system is slightly different then it is in the UK. But in the final year of an English LLB degree a student selects his electives and chooses which area of law they wish to study in greater detail. I chose Banking law, Commercial law, Commercial property law, Competition (Anti-Trust law), Intellectual Property law and Law, Democracy and Government (which is more of a philosophical module, not so heavily focused on litigation).
I wanted to take modules which related to commerce and things of that nature, as I hope this will help make me a more attractive candidate and may even help me to get into a financial career down the line.

I won’t being going on to practice as a fully-qualified lawyer due to the costs involved in pursuing further studies which I simply cannot afford, and the time involved also.

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell.

[Anonymous 42]

TheJury wrote:

this just reaffirms the ‘red pill’ notion that women are principally concerned with your finances, as opposed to your actual human qualities such as loyalty, honesty, integrity, compassion

Hey Jury, ^^^^ the word for that is “hypergamy” and it’s as real as the air you’re breathing!

I also was financially crippled from the 08/09 bursting of Fanny & Freddie, lost more than half my wealth, and would have lost everything if I had mortgages.

You seem to still carry a little bit of loathing on the decent girlfriend you lost, but you never know what they’ll be in 10 years, they tend to morph into an entirely different creature once the mental illness of feminism and gynocentrism takes hold (destroying them completely), You are too young to examine 20 years of your own history as an adult, but you’re in the right frame of mind (thirsty to know).

Welcome to international MGTOW my friend from London, the content in the MGTOW will open your eyes and the gates of your life as you will become aware and never fall into psychological parallelization of gynocentrism and being used as a Hypergamous pack animal.

Being new to the concept of MGTOW will slap your spiritual face into an awakening that sometimes makes a man extremely angry (red pill rage) Be aware of this as you progress in the knowledge of today’s narcissistic and hypergamous women.

Welcome to MGTOW Jury, relax and enjoy your stay while you deliberate .

[TheJuryParticipant 20]

Anonymous wrote:

TheJury wrote:

this just reaffirms the ‘red pill’ notion that women are principally concerned with your finances, as opposed to your actual human qualities such as loyalty, honesty, integrity, compassion

Hey Jury, ^^^^ the word for that is “hypergamy” and it’s as real as the air you’re breathing!

I also was financially crippled from the 08/09 bursting of Fanny & Freddie, lost more than half my wealth, and would have lost everything if I had mortgages.

You seem to still carry a little bit of loathing on the decent girlfriend you lost, but you never know what they’ll be in 10 years, they tend to morph into an entirely different creature once the mental illness of feminism and gynocentrism takes hold (destroying them completely), You are too young to examine 20 years of your own history as an adult, but you’re in the right frame of mind (thirsty to know).

Welcome to international MGTOW my friend from London, the content in the MGTOW will open your eyes and the gates of your life as you will become aware and never fall into psychological parallelization of gynocentrism and being used as a Hypergamous pack animal.

Being new to the concept of MGTOW will slap your spiritual face into an awakening that sometimes makes a man extremely angry (red pill rage) Be aware of this as you progress in the knowledge of today’s narcissistic and hypergamous women.

Welcome to MGTOW Jury, relax and enjoy your stay while you deliberate .

Thanks for your reply and warm welcome.
At the moment I’m finding the ‘red pill’ hard to swallow. Throughout my entire teenage life, and into young adulthood I have always been a very giving, kind person and this translates into my relationship with women. I guess you could call me a romantic. What I am now wondering is whether a true romantic relationship of 50/50 reciprocity, non-exploitation and mutual investment is impossible, or highly improbable?
This something which if I’m being honest I find quite upsetting. I have always believed in finding a ‘soulmate’, but it is now dawning upon me that this is possibly a social construct, and that true love isn’t actually a reality, or if it is, it is extremely rare and can only occur in certain circumstances with the right man and the right woman.
Any thoughts on the above would be greatly appreciated.

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

welcome sir!

i like your username

i’m glad you found the path to freedom
enjoy the forums and the website
cheers —

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

@thejury

you are mgtow of the day on our homepage!

check it out! mgtow.com

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Welcome to the forums, Mr. Jury. It always helps to have lawyers around this place.

Be sure to check out the archives. You can access them from the top bar. That will erase most of the doubts you have about the red pill.

Hope you have fun.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Greetings TJ,

London is a fascinating place. It is the birth place for many great and/ or terrible things.

There was an interesting men’s movement there decades before MGTOW as a reaction to the English government’s hostility towards men.

DNA tests were too expensive for the average Englishman in the past and too many of them were paying child support for children that didn’t belong to them.

The English government was creating debt slaves by snaring any man who fell into their “Honey Trap” based on the testimony of a bunch of pathological liars, also known as c~~~s (an old English word).

These English men’s groups weren’t just MRA’s. They had some hard core MGTOW ideas and they circulated some great essays. There were face to face meetings of men’s groups in London which is something valuable that is lost these days. I have often wondered what happened to these guys.

Esther Vilar fled to London when she was getting too many death threats from “Feminists” in America after she wrote her book, “The Manipulated Man.” She is protected by her publisher.

I have high hopes that MGTOW on line will wake up more men to what is happening.

Most of my family were involved with rebuilding London after WWII. My father, his brothers, and friends would stay in boarding houses run/ operated by Merry Widows. The C~~~ Carrousel was up and running in those days. Some of these guys were able to get their rent waived and gained other material benefits by providing sexual services to these women. These “lucky” men were affectionately called “C~~~ Lodgers.” I would always got a laugh when I would meet an Uncle and call any of them an “Old C~~~ Lodger.”

It is my understanding that there are powerful elemental forces involved which have to do with chemistry and DNA programming. My Uncles and their friends understood this at an intuitive level.

Most guys that I know, including myself, had plenty of warnings by other men in our past, these primordial forces often override our rational mind. This is one of the factors which influenced my MGTOW name. Another factor is how our emotions are manipulated and used against us.

Our rational mind is too often used against our best interests in the service of our natural addiction to a woman’s pheromones. Chasing “Unicorns” and defending our choice of “NAWALTs” are examples of this.

Here is a tip which has served me well in most situations while dealing with woman and the men enslaved by them: When I have to deal with someone, I avoid listening to the words and instead “follow the feet.”

The following poster is my story in a nut shell. And I blame chemistry and emotional manipulation for it:

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[TheJuryParticipant 20]

Firstly, I’d like to say a big thank you for everyone who has posted on my thread. It’s great to join the forum.
In response to the Manipulated Man, while London is indeed a fascinating place and a great city, it can be a tiresome place to live. Left-wing attitudes are rife, there is a hatred of masculinity, a contempt for freedom of speech and political correctness permeates society.

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell.

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

Welcome Jury from across the pond!

Great to see younger men finding their way in the world without all the expensive mistakes that i made.

TheJury wrote:

throughout our 2.5 year (on and off) relationship I made many mistakes which I am ashamed of, I didn’t treat her as well she treated me and this is something which I do regret.

Try not to beat yourself up too much over this, or anything else. What you see here as a mistake is actually a blessing in disguise. If you stayed with this chick & got married, you would’ve taken on *enormous* financial risk, for relatively little gain. (No, seriously, if i had avoided spending on relations~~~s/marriage/divorce, i’d be semi-retired, after ~13 years working in my field).

[TheJuryParticipant 20]

Thanks again for the above comments.
Just wondering, do any MGTOWs maintain friendships with women? On a purely platonic basis, I do find that I enjoy the company of women, just wondering what others think.

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell.

[RedpillPrimateParticipant 1026]

Anonymous wrote:

Hey Jury, ^^^^ the word for that is “hypergamy” and it’s as real as the air you’re breathing!

TheJury wrote:

I’m 21yrs old and from London, UK. I’ve just recently finished studying for my Bachelor of Laws degree and I’m now awaiting results. Following graduation I will then proceed with finding a suitable career for myself.

You sound like myself. I’m also in my twenties working on my Bachelor’s in Computer Science. It’s great to know more and more younger as well as older men are becoming MGTOW!

And it’s also great to hear you’re going into law as well. We definitely need more MGTOW in that area. I could never go into that field because there’s too many blue pill laws to deal with.

TheJury wrote:

Just wondering, do any MGTOWs maintain friendships with women?

I don’t. I’m more of a loner outside of the internet. I find most men to be blue pill retards and I can’t stand to be around them. Women are total c~~~s. Especially younger women. I wouldn’t be friends with them at all!

[TheJuryParticipant 20]

TheJury wrote:

Just wondering, do any MGTOWs maintain friendships with women?

I don’t. I’m more of a loner outside of the internet. I find most men to be blue pill retards and I can’t stand to be around them. Women are total c~~~s. Especially younger women. I wouldn’t be friends with them at all!

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Good to meet you Red Pill Primate, and best of luck with your education.
But I have to disagree with that, I honestly do enjoy having friendships with females and males alike. I feel like those female friends are important in my life, and I do appreciate their friendship, the same goes for my male friends where the camaraderie is an important part of unwinding and letting ‘loose’. However, I do hear your grievances and if you have differing opinions with others it may be hard to strike up, or maintain a friendship. However, sometimes, I think that opposites, even in friendship can attract, and while you may have completely contrasting interests, ideas and beliefs, you can still bond on certain levels. Really that is all that matters.

What do you guys think?

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

TheJury wrote:

sometimes, I think that opposites, even in friendship can attract, and while you may have completely contrasting interests, ideas and beliefs, you can still bond on certain levels. Really that is all that matters.

What do you guys think?

As per my own experience, contact with women are more or less toxic after red pill experience; it doesn’t matter if they are our friend, classmate, or lab partner.

Even if there are no romantic interests, you have to endure all the blue pill talk if you’re in their proximity. I find that pretty annoying.

Now I’m not saying one has to completely avoid them; but friend isn’t the right word to describe it; because friendship would require a lot of things like compromise, understanding, empathy, etc. (according to me) and once in a while you’d have to listen to her bulls~~~ and not say anything that might damage the friendship.

Maybe ‘contact’ is the right word; just like your plumber or the mailman. They’re not really your friends, but you are in speaking terms with them and in case one of you require a favor from another, you can work out a trade (I do this, you do that).

In my case, I keep my ‘female contacts’ strictly professional, and they abide by it. If I want something of them (though I never had), I would equally compensate for it. There’s no “ah! its ok.. No need to pay, we’re friends, right?” No, we aren’t. And if they require my favor, I would like to be compensated for my time and effort too.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[ConstantineParticipant 4420]

Welcome Jury! Few things please me more than a man who manages to take the red pill early. By doing so at just 21, you’re going to save yourself a lot of hassle. Hope that you like it here.

And nice signature, Varun. If I can add another Eminem quote to it…

“There is a very positive message at the heart of my lyrics. And it’s f~~~ you.”

Slainté

To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle. -Orwell

[globemasterParticipant 443]

TheJury wrote:

Unfortunately, throughout our 2.5 year (on and off) relationship I made many mistakes which I am ashamed of, I didn’t treat her as well she treated me and this is something which I do regret. I broke it off in November last year, it was not working, I’m

Be free to share them.

[BufordParticipant 935]

Welcome mate.

You share whatever you want to share. We’re not feminists, we don’t demand that you share and we don’t demand that you listen.

"This happens every time one of these floozies starts poontangin' around with those show folk fags. - Sheriff Buford T. Justice"

[EtrangereParticipant 706]

Relationship number two: I began dating Y a few months after I broke up with X. I became heavily invested and infatuated with Y very quickly, and we had a great relationship. Y was a great person, far superior to X in every way possible, she was very loyal, caring, understanding, didn’t care about my family’s financial woes and I think she saw the goodness in me. Unfortunately, throughout our 2.5 year (on and off) relationship I made many mistakes which I am ashamed of, I didn’t treat her as well she treated me and this is something which I do regret. I broke it off in November last year, it was not working, I’m sure this temporarily broke her heart.

First of all the timing is all wrong….you need more than a couple of months after a relationship to heal , but I’d say that it is no random chance that she probably is still there for you and will be. Women say they want a man who treats them well , but in reality if you do this they will walk all over you. Without respect you will get no love from them. They love differently than we do , their love is based more on adoration and your utility to THEM. Don’t regret not treating her well , it’s why she will probably still f~~~ you. As far as losing social status , who f~~~ing cares? Money comes and goes in life , it is what you have inside you that defines you , not possessions. You are young , take my advice. Try to focus on building your resources and turn down your hormones. The pussy will come looking for you , just be careful. This is depressing but it’s the truth my friend :

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