My argument with a Mangina.

[LunaticReasonParticipant 78]

Thought I’d share my arguments with some white knighter mangina.

Patriarchy and Dimorphism

Me: Thanks for posting I think more people need to read this comment about sexual dimorphism and discredits this patriarchy conspiracy. Although I disagree that there isn’t a patriarchy but just not a conspiracy. I believe there is one because of sexual dimorphism and that men earned their positions of power and kept that structure and has nothing with keeping women down but what I like to call the old guard trying to maintain their power. We can see this in dynasties, monarchies, dictatorships or any top down structure of governing. However in a modern world of democracy we can push away from that structure and so called patriarchy.

Mangina: Well you better open your mind or you’ll die with this illusion. There have been a great many different kinds of societies, some matriarchial, some patriarchal, and some more egalitarian. Sure there are differences between males and females biologically and this blends in a complex way into behavior but patriarchy is not a given and it’s also not earned as you put it. Read. There is a lot on this topic. A wide variety.

Me: Ok lets assume that feminists are right and that all men are dangerous predators that women should fear and that men have always been in power due to the patriarchy and that women are oppressed.
So why aren’t more women being raped on a daily basis? I mean if we have the physical power and run the show than there should be nothing stopping us from doing what we want to women. There wouldn’t be laws created to protect women because if men are misogynists than would they really bother to protect them?

Mangina: i’m done with your bulls~~~. ingenuine dialogue. ad hominem. strawmen. stupid waste of time. bye
aaaand im done

[LunaticReasonParticipant 78]

Sexual Harassment and the negative perception of men.

Me: How is saying Hello, have a nice day a threat? Saying Smile more, rude but not a threat. I would definitely agree those guys following her were a threat so I will concede to that. They’re social cues that the nyc video wanted to blur and i think its bad to teach women to be a constant state of fear of all men and seeing something as innocuous as a comment as a potential attack.
The perceived threat is by virtue of them being male and only that and overlooks circumstance. Who are these men? Where is this happening? Are you in public area? Are you alone? Can you get somewhere safe? See these are the factors that people need to be aware of and not just looking at gender bias and this is difference between what makes a person a potential victim or someone who can go about their day.

Mangina: Lunatic reason, you ever been bullied? Do you know what that’s like? Taunting?

Me: Yes I have been bullied and I didn’t say taunting isn’t wrong I am arguing what is perceived as taunting.and if you keep fear mongering and feeding women this idea of its ok be afraid of everything because your the victim the line for what they don’t fear becomes shorter and you create women who will always be victims. We’ve come to a point where women should fear men for saying hello. Yeah good job on helping women feel safe.

Mangina: and i’m saying no matter how it’s meant, if it’s felt as taunting and then men are told that it’s felt that way and keep doing it, then it surely is taunting at that point. And i don’t believe for a minute that most men who say “smile” are totally unaware that it’s a high likelihood to be perceived as taunting, or that they don’t mean it so. It’s an act of male power usually and i’m not buying bulls~~~. I’m calling it out.

Mangina: false accusations and not listening … ingenuine dialogue .. troll … goodbye … enough time wasted with you

Me: When have I accused anyone? I’m not listening because I don’t agree with you? because I choose to debate rather than just to accept what I’m told that is ingenuine dialogue

Mangina: You’re full of s~~~ and most reasonable people reading our dialogue would see it. You’re a polemicist and working on a rhetorical but not genuine level. It’s clear to me. I’m here genuinely and you’re wasting my time with bulls~~~. So i’m out. You don’t choose to get the benefit of the dialogue. Oh well. Your loss. “I’m not listening because I don’t agree with you?” no– because you willfully ignore and twist things. “because I choose to debate rather than just to accept what I’m told that is ingenuine dialogue” — no, because your form of “debate” is high school antics, not actual dialogue in search of truth. Because you’re being a prick.

Me: So what you’re saying is no matter what a male does or say regardless of intent is guilty of taunting or threatening? Good to know this if I ever eat at a restaurant with a female waitress. I wouldn’t want to offend or scare her. Or if I was a photographer and I told her to smile for the camera, I must be taunting her. I don’t disagree that women and men will see the same situation differently and in most cases they are but it does not make it true in all regards and that is the problem that I and many have a problem with the ny video because it was fabricated to make it look like all men are predators and that its a daily frequent occurrence for all women when in the contrary its grossly exaggerated. There are plenty of videos elsewhere that replicate the same scenario and no sort of harassment took place. You can even walk out in public yourself and observe other people and for the most part people mind their own business and go about their day. A string of random people talking to you is not harassment nor is it a threat.

Mangina: Still not listening to women.

Me: You can listen without being a sycophant.

Mangina: Yeah. And so i do. It’s actually a really good thing. And i hear people and i talk and hold dialogue, and it works out. I learn things. I also have opinions and people hear me too. So i really don’t get your point, and i’m done here.

(Did he just admit being a sycophant is a good thing?)

[Anonymous 1]

Why discussing with manginas? I admire your patience in doing so man, but last time I tried I fear I damaged a few brain cells on the process. Are these from youtube? Can you post the link? 🙂

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Here’s the facts as I see them. In a time where everyone had to bust their asses just to survive, the harsh realities of life trained us over the milennia to observe what we now know as the law of competitive advantage. Each person does what they’re best at and the group has a chance to survive. Men were better at the things they were better at and women were better at the things they were better at and that’s how gender roles evolved.

Nobody sat down and decided that men would do this and women would do that… there is no great conspiracy and no plan to sacrifice men or oppress women… that’s just how things look now that life has gotten easy and we’ve got the time and energy to p~~~ and moan about the natural order of things.

Wait for the EMP… when we’re forced back to 1900s technology you’ll see women rushing back to the safe and easy work of raising children and keeping house while the men (at least the ones who don’t go mental in the first two weeks) go out and risk their lives doing all the dangerous hard s~~~ just like we’ve done since the beginning of human history… and they’ll be happy as s~~~ to be with a man who can put food on the table and not beat them too badly.

[mgtow_85Participant 752]

I’m seeing a pattern here. Manginas are unable to win a debate against common sense and reality!

[LunaticReasonParticipant 78]

Well the reason why I was discussing with the Mangina is I didn’t know any better. The same goes for when I talk to 3rd wave feminists. I expect a reasonable discourse but end up in these stupid arguments. This was before I became Mgtow and one of the reasons why I became Mgtow because f~~~ that s~~~. I still unfortunately still have the habit of engaging these types of people and in the back of my brain i’m like whhhhhy!? abort abort! I used to consider myself a White Knight because I’m the type of person who wanted to protect those who are weaker. However I learned being a white knight was someone who Kowtows and that wasn’t me. I am not a sycophant. If someone screams rape I am going to listen to both sides and not just take the “victims” side. Those types of people are the ones who take the path of least resistance and who follow what’s popular with the mob rather than objectively thinking for themselves. A white knight is the type of person who is unwilling to get themselves dirty and are only champions at face value. Thats not the type of person I wanna be.

and yes this was Youtube but i’d rather keep that seperate. I muted the conversation anyways because I was just tired of the crap.

[LunaticReasonParticipant 78]

Manginas in their quest for vagina become the vaginas themselves.  It’s like this gender camouflage pander to what a feminist wants to hear and hopefully get something for it. If not sex, social validation.   In this gynocentric world they fear the decline of men so they decided to jump ship in favor of women because they see it in everything Yay! Women Boo! Men. I personally respect women who deserve respect I don’t like most Manginas worship at their altars as infallible Madonnas.

[In Which We ServeParticipant 111]

It was Victor Lewis Smith (a British comedian) I think, who said ‘Arguing with strangers on the internet is about as pointless as trying to throw a shoe at the moon.’

[mgtow_85Participant 752]

I don’t even try to discuss this stuff with a mangina anymore. If I decide to, they need to clean the s~~~ out of their ears first…and maybe even their heads.

Some of them have tried to shame me into not being with a woman. I say sharply, “MY life, MY choice, MY f~~~ing rules, and THIS will be MY fist in your face and MY boot up your ass if you don’t get out of my f~~~ing face, you f~~~ing fruit loop.”

That’s all the discussion any mangina wants to hear from me and it works every time. They go scurrying away like roaches caught in a light beam. I know that I’m supposed to “get along with people” more, but I don’t want anything to do with a bunch of motherf~~~ers who think that I need to improve my life by having a woman in it.

Well, I DID have one mangina agree that I “had a good point” when his inquiries on my single life resulted in a reply from me that “it seems to me that women on Facebook are constantly angry and always complaining about every f~~~ing thing in their life and who the hell wants to come home to having that s~~~ harped in your ears? It’s a complete TURN-OFF.”

Debate all they f~~~ing want, but the truth about women was indisputable in my answer. Women are always angry, women are always complaining, and how the f~~~ can a good guy be attracted to that s~~~ after seeing their behavior on any social network site?

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