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I was having coffee with my TFL mangina buddy (someone’s got to keep an eye on him) and mentioned that I’d seen an article about the “millennial revolutionaries”.
He perked up because he’s angsty for a good social justice fight pretty much any time.
“So I don’t get this term ‘millennial revolution’. What do millennials have to be so upset about that they’d desire actual revolution?”
“Better wages.”
“You mean the increase in the minimum wage? Are there really THAT MANY millennials working at minimum wage jobs right now?”
“Well they deserve to be able to live.”
“I was under the impression that would just drive up prices…”
“No… in Seattle they did it and it worked out great.”
<opens up google> “Let’s see how that worked out. Which outlet would you like me to read from… Forbes? The New York Times? Huffington Post? Mother Jones? I figure Mother Jones is pretty left leaning and would be generally in support…”
The Mother Jones article did not mention an increase in prices at all but did say that while wages were up, total hours worked were down… and that other gentrifying factors made it difficult to establish clear causality.
“Says here wages are up but hours worked are down. I guess if you’re happy to work a few less hours for the same pay then a minimum wage hike is apparently okay… though with gentrification being a thing, even $15 an hour won’t be enough to live on the West Coast for much longer. Maybe we should pay them $30?”
“Free tuition. Student loans are crushing people.”
“Honestly, if you have $80,000 in student loans and then go to work for minimum wage, you’ve probably made a mistake somewhere. Those aren’t STEM careers, are they?”
<getting triggered> “Dude… everyone deserves a free, high quality education.”
“What I’m saying is that these things don’t seem to require actual REVOLUTION, do they? A bunch of kids from the midwest move to the most expensive cities in the world, take huge loans to get worthless degrees in hopes of winning the .com lottery but mostly end up working minimum wage jobs and THEN they want to blame the people who made SMART choices and seize their money?
I mean if you take up arms and fight a civil war… even if it is a guerrilla black block assault with rocks and garbage… you’re just going to burn down, blow up and alienate the people who you expect to pay for the increased wages and schooling, aren’t you?
When the French Revolution came and they beheaded all the nobility and looted their castles, what happened then? Riots and starvation and war… and isn’t that how they got Emperor Napoleon?”
And, as usual… the discussion ended here.
Better wages? Earn them by being good at what you do. Businesses don’t owe you anything more than your work is worth. And free high quality education? You mean communist atheist socialist liberal brainwashing, don’t you? That’s basically what college is for.
Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.
Always show them this picture first. Show them an angle they may not understand and that the elite make sure they not know about monetary policy. Monetary policy is not the same animal as “muh capitalism” and these people tend to be clueless about.
When the French Revolution came and they beheaded all the nobility and looted their castles, what happened then? Riots and starvation and war… and isn’t that how they got Emperor Napoleon?”
Fenderson, if you are going to talk about history, get it right.
The French people were already starving before the French Revolution. That is one of the reasons for the revolution.
After the French Revolution executed the French nobles the relatives of the nobles in the rest of Europe attacked France. The French Revolutionary’s had to defend themselves from invading armies, this is where Napoleon began his rise to power, by being a French captain in the French Revolution defending France from invading armies. Napoleon’s victories during this time of his life was where he began to gain respect from the French population and the French military.
Also, there was still a divide in France among the people. The controlling group in France,, the Committee for Public Safety (yes that is what it was called), clamped down on the French population which created more and more oppressive laws. This lead to government policies, “The Terror” and later “The Great Terror” which lead to a lot of deaths until the members of the Committee For Public Safety were beheaded.
A few years later, in the power vacuum that followed Napoleon rose to power conquered much of Europe until several nation pulled their resources to defeat France and Napoleon.
Now about modern politics. There are two revolutions happening in this nation. This has not gone hot (not much violence), but more of cold situation.
One revolution is by the globalists and their progressive puppets to destroy western civilization. The other revolution is by the workers of American uniting in a populist movement whom have been harmed several decades by globalist policies. The populists were able to get their leader, Donald Trump elected as president. This has messed up the globalists plans and has caused the globalist puppets to go completely apes~~~ mental.
If you have studied populists movements in history you realize this populist movement usually either ends well for the populists or if the populist movements is denied their demands the populist movement response leads to extremely bloody wars.
Better wages? Earn them by being good at what you do. Businesses don’t owe you anything more than your work is worth. And free high quality education? You mean communist atheist socialist liberal brainwashing, don’t you? That’s basically what college is for.
doesn’t work like tha certainly not in Britain wages and conditions are terrible -supply and demand…
The labour market is the same as any market.
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Fenderson, if you are going to talk about history, get it right.
Mine was not an exhaustive analysis of the causes and consequences but a stab at general principles.
The French people were already starving before the French Revolution. That is one of the reasons for the revolution.
I am aware of this. Any fifth grader knows the phrase “let them eat cake”. I didn’t say anything about the causes or justice of the revolution, just its aftermath. Surely the peasants of France continued to starve after the revolution. So although starvation was not a consequence of the revolution, it was not alleviated by the revolution either.
After the French Revolution executed the French nobles the relatives of the nobles in the rest of Europe attacked France.
War. A direct consequence of the decapitation of the French aristocracy system.
The French Revolutionary’s had to defend themselves from invading armies, this is where Napoleon began his rise to power, by being a French captain in the French Revolution defending France from invading armies. Napoleon’s victories during this time of his life was where he began to gain respect from the French population and the French military.
Sure. And eventually he made himself emperor. There’s another populist soldier turned dictator I could mention who’s rise to power followed a similar path. There’s maybe a half dozen of them, come to think of it.
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If you have studied populists movements in history you realize this populist movement usually either ends well for the populists or if the populist movements is denied their demands the populist movement response leads to extremely bloody wars.
Forgive me, but when I speak of “revolution” I mean of the removal of the current ruling class by violent, bloody head-rolling means. I don’t mean a slow process of demoralization and usurpation nor a grass-roots reclamation of power through peaceful, political means. Neither of the geopolitical trends you outlined qualify as armed insurrections against a sitting government.
And I was referring to “millennial revolutionaries” which you should easily have read as young, entitled people of the BLM and SJW persuasion, not blue collar patriots. I don’t see any Trump supporters rioting in the streets calling for massive wealth redistribution, free college, artificially inflated wages, debt forgiveness and recognition of their genitals, skin color or personal pronouns do you? That is not a “populist” movement, that is a bunch of entitled lap dogs who were told they’d be kings and are p~~~ed off that they’ve been made jesters. They’re not attacking the root causes of society’s ills, they’re just demanding better treats and more petting.
I don’t disagree that there is an aristocracy in this nation that mirrors the ruling class of pre-revolution France. But I disagree with the idea that social justice warriors represent the bourgeoisie OR the peasants in that struggle. Young people these days are not starving in the streets, hip deep in s~~~, shaking their fists at a callous, wealthy lord in a gilded carriage… they ARE the lords in the gilded carriages. If anything, the blue collar Trump supporters are a mixture of bourgeoisie and peasant, depending on what part of the country you are in but they are not yet experiencing enough pain themselves to be at the point of revolution… nor may they ever arrive at that point.
But for 22 to 29 year olds to riot in the streets with nebulous demands for “more” and “better” isn’t a true revolution, it’s the lesser noble at court, given his place to fill the gallery of sycophants and keep him from making real trouble, shaking his fists at the greater nobles who enjoy the true and full favor of the king. They don’t want change, they want free stuff and a seat closer to the throne.
Thank you for the history lesson, but let’s try to keep it to basic principles so we don’t get lost in the details, yeah?
And I was referring to “millennial revolutionaries” which you should easily have read as young, entitled people of the BLM and SJW persuasion, not blue collar patriots.
You are not this ignorant.
BLM and SJW are globalist puppet organizations whom do not representative of the true populist movement in this nation.
President Trump won the election on a pro-jobs, pro-nationlist, pro-populist platform. His inauguration speech pointed this out.
The globalists have driven the jobs out of the U.S., used government destroy jobs, steal wealth, and enrich themselves at the expense of the American people.
You see a populist political movement to purge tyrants and foreign influence from a nation is different to revolution. They are one in the same. The only question is the means and the impatience of the people.
But I disagree with the idea that social justice warriors represent the bourgeoisie OR the peasants in that struggle.
I did not say that.
I said there were two different revolutions happening in this nation. One by the globalists to destroy the nation.
The other is a populist movement that sent Donald Trump to the White House.
If you have studied populists movements in history you realize this populist movement usually either ends well for the populists or if the populist movements is denied their demands the populist movement response leads to extremely bloody wars.
It would be funny watching the liberal snow flakes attempt a bloody revolution fighting to get their college debts wiped/free college and free healthcare simply because they could get free college and healthcare by joining the military to begin with. If they join the navy or air force in a support role they’d probably have a higher chance of getting murdered or dead due to something drug/drinking related in college than they would getting killed in combat.
It would be funny watching the liberal snow flakes attempt a bloody revolution fighting to get their college debts wiped/free college and free healthcare simply because they could get free college and healthcare by joining the military to begin with. If they join the navy or air force in a support role they’d probably have a higher chance of getting murdered or dead due to something drug/drinking related in college than they would getting killed in combat.
I really wish people would read what I write instead of just skim over my comments.
I was commenting on populist movements. The progressive snowflakes are not a populist movement.
By populist movement I mean the Trump supporters whom the globalists have harmed for decades.
I really wish people would read what I write instead of just skim over my comments.
I was commenting on populist movements. The progressive snowflakes are not a populist movement.
By populist movement I mean the Trump supporters whom the globalists have harmed for decades.
Going by the definition of “populist” whether democrats or republicans are populists is based entirely on perspective.
Going by the definition of “populist” whether democrats or republicans are populists is based entirely on perspective.
I am going by the concept that populists rise from the working class.
President Trump won the election on a pro-jobs, pro-nationlist, pro-populist platform. His inauguration speech pointed this out.
And he has done fcuk all to achieve any of that and won’t.
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Trump is business as usual and I fear you are going to start to see that over the coming months.
Lok at some o fteh people he has appointed.
What happened with replacing Obamacare?
What gret atsrategy ahs he announced re jobs
Pound to a pice of hsit he take smilitray action against assad and goes for regime change in syria.
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It would be funny watching the liberal snow flakes attempt a bloody revolution fighting to get their college debts wiped/free college and free healthcare simply because they could get free college and healthcare by joining the military to begin with. If they join the navy or air force in a support role they’d probably have a higher chance of getting murdered or dead due to something drug/drinking related in college than they would getting killed in combat.
I really wish people would read what I write instead of just skim over my comments.
I was commenting on populist movements. The progressive snowflakes are not a populist movement.
By populist movement I mean the Trump supporters whom the globalists have harmed for decades.
I get what your saying but unfortunately Trump is a false prophet.
http://www.leavemeansleave.eu
I’m getting tired of hearing about what people think their rights are. Perhaps it’s just my opinion, but I don’t see how anything that requires taking from one person and giving to another as a right. If something must be given or taken in order for the ‘right’ to take place, then it is theft, or privilege at best.
We have a right to free speech because no one has to give that to you.
We have a right to the press because no one has to give that to you.
We have a right to bear arms because no one has to give that to you (arms are never free)
We cannot have a right to education because it requires teachers to give their time, and tax payers to fund education. The government MUST take from some and give it to you in order for that ‘right’ to happen. Put another way, if everyone employed in education suddenly decided to quit, then there would be no education ‘right’. If tax payers stopped paying taxes, there would be no education. The education right does not exist without first taking from one group.
Same goes for healthcare. It doesn’t exist out of then air. It has to be given through insurance (taxes) and the medical profession.
The right to a minimum wage isn’t a right either, since it requires someone to give you something. Heck as pointed out, it falls apart simply because employers chose to either not employ or reduce hours of the employee.
Looking at a different way. If you lived by yourself on an island, you would have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the press, to bear arms etc…because there would be no one there to TAKE it away from you. However, you would have the right to education, healthcare, minimum wage, or any of these things… because there would be no one there to GIVE it to you.
Ok. Then do it.
I am going by the concept that populists rise from the working class.
Its like I said though…its all perspective. If you vote republican you probably think republicans are for the working class and democrats for the welfare leeches. If you vote democrat you probably think democrats are for the working class and republicans for the rich. There are more registered democrats than republicans.
Perhaps it’s just my opinion, but I don’t see how anything that requires taking from one person and giving to another as a right. If something must be given or taken in order for the ‘right’ to take place, then it is theft, or privilege at best.
Exactly. I’ve always thought the limits to your rights end when you begin to step on other people’s toes. People shouldn’t be able to do crap like vote their way into my wallet to pay for their college any more than they should be able to walk in my front door and tell me get the f~~~ out of your chair, I want to use your computer right now. Its ridiculous almost everyone would think the guy just walking in my front door would be f~~~ed up…but it seems like half the country thinks reaching into my wallet to pay for their college is fine.
Its like nobody even wants to solve the actually problems. With the college example…we should be looking at college costs saying hrmm…what have we been doing for the last 20 years that has been causing the cost of college to explode? If you do that its obvious its the government throwing so much money at student loans…unfortunately the only answer a lot of idiots come up with is the government throwing even more money at the education system.
You are not this ignorant.
BLM and SJW are globalist puppet organizations whom do not representative of the true populist movement in this nation.
You keep talking about populist movements. I never said anything about populist movements. I am talking about the notion of “millennial revolutionaries” (look at the thread title) and saying that “revolutionary” groups associated with millennials such as BLM, SJW and Antifa are not revolutionaries at all but rather narcissistic children throwing tantrums for free stuff and recognition of their special identities.
Why do you insist on attempting to derail my point by introducing the notion of populist movements, Trump supporters, globalists and puppet organizations?
You seem to be tuned into a different channel entirely from the point of this post… and you’ve been rather rude about it, to boot.
I really wish people would read what I write instead of just skim over my comments.
I was commenting on populist movements. The progressive snowflakes are not a populist movement.
By populist movement I mean the Trump supporters whom the globalists have harmed for decades.
Dude, this thread is ABOUT progressive snowflakes… NOT populist movements. WE are skimming over what YOU said? Maybe you meant to start your own thread but accidentally posted in this one instead?
I said there were two different revolutions happening in this nation. One by the globalists to destroy the nation.
The other is a populist movement that sent Donald Trump to the White House.
Again, neither of these political forces qualify as revolutions.
rev·o·lu·tion ˌrevəˈlo͞oSH(ə)n/ noun
1. a forcible overthrow of a government or social order in favor of a new system.
synonyms: rebellion, revolt, insurrection, mutiny, uprising, riot, rioting, insurgence, seizure of power, coup (d’état)
“the French aristocracy was ill-prepared to quell a revolution”
Words have meaning. Please choose them carefully.
Anonymous1SJW, BLM, ANTIFA are all a bunch of spoiled brats in my opinion. I’m a millennial too. Here is the deal: People I know, who are into these movements watch a lot of MSM (Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert etc). They tend to believe everything they were told in school with an almost religious devotion. Whenever I would ask questions in class or challenge the professor the other students were the first to shut me down. They would say “Shut up, Let the expert talk.” The funny thing about these so called “Revolutionaries” is that they are ultimately conformists. Their biggest complaint with the system is that some people are not going along with it. They would absolutely hate MGTOW, if they knew about it. I took out massive student loans and worked my butt off in college. I had to put up with a lot of bull s~~~, but now I am debt free and have an easy job that pays well. The “Revolutionaries” wanted to party all day on somebody else’s money. They wanted to major in Modern Art and get praised for smearing their own s~~~ on a canvas. Now they are complaining because nobody will pay for their student loans and they cannot get a job as an entertainer.
I hate these “Revolutionaries” because they are a force for the status quo. All they really want is more of the same. They are pseudo-intellectuals, who claim to be know-it-alls. Yet they are the most brainwashed, uneducated slobs in history. They react violently to people, who really try and buck the system. The real revolutionaries of the Millennial generation are here on MGTOW and youtube channels etc. The Berkley riots against Milo is the real face of these people. You can tell a lot about their character from watching that.
The “Revolutionaries” wanted to party all day on somebody else’s money. They wanted to major in Modern Art and get praised for smearing their own s~~~ on a canvas. Now they are complaining because nobody will pay for their student loans and they cannot get a job as an entertainer.
Thank you, Heavicidal, for picking up what I was laying down.
Here’s a huge group of people who thought they would get rich just for being themselves… except that unlike, say, the bohemians who made up their own s~~~, this generation merely copies what they see on TV.
That’s why I love the Kylie Jenner Pepsi Commercial… because it’s the most accurate portrayal of “The Resistance” yet. A bunch of self-obsessed Benetton models so p~~~ed off at their inability to achieve anything with their s~~~ty copycat ‘art’ and ‘culture’ that they have to slap together some meaningless slogans and take to the streets in an orgy of self-celebration in order to feel like they’ve done anything at all.
The humor is that giving soft drinks to police would be the MOST MEANINGFUL THING any of them could ACTUALLY DO. At least they’d be helping to quench the thirst of a REAL PERSON who is REALLY DOING SOMETHING… e.g. protecting society from these dippy children who think wearing black face masks and kicking over trash cans makes them revolutionaries.
Hey kids… you want to take action that will have a real effect? Put on your best black hoodies, don your face masks and goggles, pick a single slogan to chant and then march on Washington DC and burn the entire city to the ground. That will leave a mark. Some of you will probably die in the battle, but young heroes die all the time. The blood you spill will make the grass grow… or something.
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