MI5 agents are allowed to commit crimes in uk, government reveals

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/02/mi5-agents-are-allowed-to-commit-in-uk-government-reveals

Thoughts?

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

Well we all know the CIA and FBI get away with all kinds of crimes here in the states. Just endemic of “intelligence” agencies.

mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

[GregB0Participant]

Ranger One wrote:

Thoughts?

Great post Ranger and thanks for the opportunity…

From your Military experience, you know that Murphy’s law always in play: Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. To hedge this fact, it’s often necessary to do things that are outside of the organizations normal ethics, morals and operational procedures.

A Government would be nieve if it felt that achieving “the greatest amount of good for the greatest number of people” (Utilitarianism Philosophy) can occur without breaking the rules.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I like your post Ranger but for God’s sake please don’t start doing the same thing Venom used to do: where he posts some article and then says: “Thoughts”.

Guess what? We’re all interested in YOUR thoughts on the matter so lets have it my brother!

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

I do wonder that if the guiding principle is “the end justifies the means”, how long does it take for the means to become the end?

I also have to wonder about the various escapades, such as Operation Ajax, that have blowback that lasts for decades, and ask myself about net negatives and opportunity costs.

I would be naïve if I thought I could trust someone with power behind the scenes to define what constitutes “the greatest amount of good for the greatest number of people” when personal freedom can be considered a good and I may disagree with that person behind the scenes thinks constitutes a good even IF that person was actually an honest broker and representative.

The idea that there are some people who are basically Ubermensch who should be allowed to control everything behind the scenes, does not jive with my knowing that most elites are scumbags and vermin, like Harvey Weinstein and Bill Clinton, if not actual pedophiles, ghouls and murderers.

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. If you want to see the result of power and rights without accountability, just look at the basic MGTOW understanding of women and how the so-called “family” courts operate.

If I had absolute power for a day, I’d probably frog-march all of them into an active volcano, because that would probably serve the greater good.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Outstanding! And I agree 100%.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22526]

Ranger One wrote:

I do wonder that if the guiding principle is “the end justifies the means”, how long does it take for the means to become the end?

The scary part is when there are no “ends” to justify the “means”. The “means” become the justification.

This is the danger of bureaucracy. Bureaucracy will seek to create problems to justify its continued existence. Bureaucracy reaches a point it will seek to destroy everything it was put in place to protect to justify its existence. And the group think in bureaucracy will think doing so is alright.

I do not know the justifications those in the UK government have for replacing the UK population with radicalized foreigners, destroying the UK population, and handing over sovereignty of the UK to hostile foreign powers. But, I am sure those involved believe they are doing right by sending everyone and everything they are suppose to protect to their graves.

This is the danger of blind faith. A thief knows that stealing is wrong. But, those driven by blind loyalty or blind faith will continue down their course of destruction always believing they are right and correct no matter what happens.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Ranger One wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/02/mi5-agents-are-allowed-to-commit-in-uk-government-reveals

Thoughts?

I read an article about this a few weeks ago.

You should get a copy of the book Spycathcer it’s by an ex MI5 officer called Peter Wright.

They banned it in the UK for years so he published it in Australia and the UK government tried to get it banned there as well.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[It’sallbsParticipant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0NvdaTRcE4

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Faust For Science wrote:

This is the danger of bureaucracy. Bureaucracy will seek to create problems to justify its continued existence. Bureaucracy reaches a point it will seek to destroy everything it was put in place to protect to justify its existence. And the group think in bureaucracy will think doing so is alright.

If you fund an agency that has no purpose (or an expired one), it WILL find a new purpose, and it may not be a good one.

Faust For Science wrote:

I do not know the justifications those in the UK government have for replacing the UK population with radicalized foreigners, destroying the UK population, and handing over sovereignty of the UK to hostile foreign powers. But, I am sure those involved believe they are doing right by sending everyone and everything they are suppose to protect to their graves.

Consider this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon%27s_Rebellion#Backlash — necessary to divide black and white against each other since indentured servants of both colors joined forces in rebellion.

I think the real reason why the idea of a Hispanic “Race” was created in the US was to foster division. (Rule by Divide and Conquer)

The ruling elite in Britain want to create enemy classes to distract the other classes in Britain that might rebel against the elite. Its like in the USSR if you had a riot in Kazakhistan you’d send in Russian troops, and if you had a rebellion in Stalingrad you’d send in Kazakh troops.

Faust For Science wrote:

This is the danger of blind faith. A thief knows that stealing is wrong. But, those driven by blind loyalty or blind faith will continue down their course of destruction always believing they are right and correct no matter what happens.

The road the Hell is paved with good intentions.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

It’sallbs wrote:

I read an article about this a few weeks ago.

You should get a copy of the book Spycathcer it’s by an ex MI5 officer called Peter Wright.

They banned it in the UK for years so he published it in Australia and the UK government tried to get it banned there as well.

I’ve put that on my wishlist now.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Faust For Science wrote:

This is the danger of bureaucracy. Bureaucracy will seek to create problems to justify its continued existence.

That’s right in a way it’s similar to what Orwell said about the point of power being power and the point of torture being torture.

Faust For Science wrote:

But, I am sure those involved believe they are doing right by sending everyone and everything they are suppose to protect to their graves.

I’m not sure I agree with that, some might due to compartmentalisation, but the ones orchestrating it all do not have good motives at all.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Ranger One wrote:

I’ve put that on my wish list now.

Yeah you can get it new as hard back on amazon.co.uk for about £15 I think it was not in kindle though.

Gosling is another person worth listening to.

He did an interview re this whole nerve agent bulls~~~ and delved a little into other things -can’t remember the link now-I think I might have sent it either Faust or Jan or both.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[It’sallbsParticipant]

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http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[MonkParticipant 16995]

I would second It’sallbs’s recommendation of Spycatcher.

It’s a real eye-opener, revealing as it does not just how crooked they are, but also how incompetent.

[GregB0Participant]

Ranger One wrote:

I also have to wonder about the various escapades, such as Operation Ajax, that have blowback that lasts for decades, and ask myself about net negatives and opportunity costs.

Faust For Science wrote:

This is the danger of bureaucracy.

Absolutely and is the reason your above comment is always a truism.

Ranger One wrote:

f you fund an agency that has no purpose (or an expired one), it WILL find a new purpose, and it may not be a good one.

Absolutely so, agencies never, ever cease to exist. They morph and change as needed in an attempt to remain relevant to segments of society.

Great post.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

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