MGTOW vs AA

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

Either I don’t have the time or I don’t make the time… but here’s what I will say in the few words I will use. I feel like choosing to think MGTOW goes against what those who ascribe to the principles of AA would like. It seems like every little thing that could go wrong in your life…. well AA… To much booze… AA, o.k. that I understand… but then it’s like… AA for everything and anything! Sorry, but MGTOW is working for me, and I’d rather come here an write a half-baked post and feel like it’s doing me some good then getting all into AA is the only solution… So you’re a blue-pill-dude??….AA problem solved! They will help… I SAY NO! MGTOW HELPS! unless you’re a drunk from all perspectives then sure AA… other wise I can’r stand being hounded by AA’ers who may meet me when am I don’t know…say red-pill-raging, or downing a mickey occasionally… and then it’s AA… I’m working with MGTOW… I’m sticking to MGTOW… one day i’ll get around to making things o.k. in my life , that’s if the family court give me enough leftover life to drag myself out of the crushing anvil that is divorce… rant finished

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

Sometimes… and no offense meant here, but if your problem is related to going from blue pill life to red pill life…then I say MGTOW is a better bet than AA… Work hard at TRYING…even if you are not making it ….TRY, and that’s good enough…eventually you’ll get there… Exercise, eat well, use your mind to develop strategies to cope, to understand, to get in touch with yourself… and one other thing that AA won’t tell you … BEWARE OF WOMEN!

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[Anonymous 43]

Amigo…you are clearly floating some good ideas here and looking for input and guidance toward a final conclusion. No need to apologize for offending. Throw out the ideas and see what happens.

I like you ideas, likening the redpill to the steps in AA

Acknowledgement of a problem is akin to the beginning of redpill acceptance of betrayal. I think you are on the right path here.

AA alcoholic anonymous : WA Woman anonymous

MGTOW is a much larger eyeopening jolt than realizing that alcohol f~~~ed up yer life. With mgtow, you realize that women and society f~~~ed up yer life…and there really isn’t a relapse possible with mgtow.

[HitmanParticipant]

Once your eyes see the truth, you can’t unsee or ignore it.
MGTOW saves lives and makes you a better man.
Morals are found again. .
Old behaviors become unthinkable.
You get reborn.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I happened to believe any mental problem ( like drinking – or being a simp ) can be overcome by oneself, and “therapy” is bulls~~~. It’s not true of course, because some wires can be crossed through no fault of your own, and some people need help to uncross them. But I “believe” it for an important reason.

S~~~ like “A.D.D” doesn’t exist – as far as I am concerned – because PAY F~~~ING ATTENTION.

I don’t believe in “therapy” or diagnosis like that because my report cards never said “It’s ok sweetie, you just have Attention Deficit Disorder. You still get an A for effort.”.

But “E” is for effort. And if you don’t make any E-for-effort to PAY F~~~ING ATTENTION, you don’t get an “A” for awesome. Simple as that.

Point Of No Return wrote:

TRY, and that’s good enough . . . . eventually you’ll get there

Exactly. Now take it one step further.

“DO… or do not. There is no “try”.
– Yoda

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

Keymaster wrote:

I happened to believe any mental problem ( like drinking – or being a simp ) can be overcome by oneself, and “therapy” is bulls~~~. It’s not true of course, because some wires can be crossed through no fault of your own, and some people need help to uncross them. But I “believe” it for an important reason.

S~~~ like “A.D.D” doesn’t exist – as far as I am concerned – because PAY F~~~ING ATTENTION.

I don’t believe in “therapy” or diagnosis like that because my report cards never said “It’s ok sweetie, you just have Attention Deficit Disorder. You still get an A for effort.”.

But “E” is for effort. And if you don’t make any E-for-effort to PAY F~~~ING ATTENTION, you don’t get an “A” for awesome. Simple as that.

Point Of No Return wrote:

TRY, and that’s good enough . . . . eventually you’ll get there

Exactly. Now take it one step further.

“DO… or do not. There is no “try”.
– Yoda

Agreed… Because ‘trying’ to go jogging is merely unrealised potential and worth zero until the job is done. I ‘do’ my jogging is a world of difference because I can then point to actual results. So if anyone is in a space where they are trying instead of doing… Up your game and get s~~~ DONE!

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Point Of No Return wrote:

Agreed… Because ‘trying’ to go jogging is merely unrealised potential and worth zero until the job is done. I ‘do’ my jogging is a world of difference because I can then point to actual results. So if anyone is in a space where they are trying instead of doing… Up your game and get s~~~ DONE!

Many people go through their lives “believing” things that lower their standards. Believing “Everyone is special” – is just another way of saying NOBODY is. Believing “everyone is a winner” is just another way of making every competitor as lame as the slowest loser.

So if I’m going to LIE to myself and say “therapy is complete bulls~~~ and doesn’t do s~~~ for anyone” . . . it’s because it is my way of demanding more from myself. It’s a positive form of discipline to make yourself BETTER. Something they refuse to do. They lie to themselves to lower their standards down to their level of self-loathing – just enough to “feel better”.

I will lie to my own reflection in the mirror and fat-shame myself to the gym, and have no problem doing it. “YOU’RE A FAT F~~~ING PIG” I tell myself after an order of fries. This lie gets my ass to the gym and makes me BETTER.

Self-therapy.

If were to say “You’re beautiful no matter what size you are! Have another donut”... THEN i would need a f~~~ing shrink. Because it’s insane.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I once went out with a single mother for a drink. (Never again by the way) She was a “recovering alcholic” and refused to have one class of wine. She said “If I have one….. I will have FIVE.”

I called bulls~~~ right to her face.

This mental block is the REASON she binges and she confessed that she would drink wine out of her kid’s sippy cup. By denying herself ONE . . . she is now inviting a binge with every passing day. How the f~~~ can she say “she will have five” – against her own will – as if she has no control over how many she would order???

She’s lying to herself right there.

Enjoy ONE. And then just don’t order any more.

This is where another alcoholic would step up and give me s~~~, and they would tell me I have no idea what I’m talking about. But the reason I tell myself this, is because I don’t believe in calling myself a “recovering alcoholic” and I find it unacceptable for anyone to say “if I have one, I will have five” – against their own will. That is a person who has no control over themselves.

Which is a better thing to tell yourself?

“I’m a recovering alcoholic . If I have one drink, I will have five”.

– OR –

“I will enjoy ONE drink. And then I will not order any more.”

One of them is their own therapist.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

^^^ The man of course. Women nowadays REFUSE any kind of introspection. Plus, society tells them they’re right in doing so. Payback is just down the road baby, down the road, just wait until you get there…

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[Back in BlackParticipant 1732]

Why not both? MGTOW and AA don’t have to be mutually exclusive.

I am a sober member of AA and have been for many years (29 now). It is not perfect, nor is it the be all and end all but it has saved countless lives – mine included.

I believe alcoholics have a different brain chemistry than non-alcoholics. I consider it akin to an allergy. My body/brain react differently than most to alcohol.

If AA does not work for you that does not mean it does not work for anyone else.

I agree that some people try to overstep the bounds of what AA does – it is solely to stop drinking. All the other s~~~ in life is not addressable by AA.

I had another sober man ask me what he should do about his wife trying to control him. I told him to not give a f~~~ what his wife wants and to take care of himself. He was taken aback but grateful for my honesty and said his AA sponsor said to pray about it. F~~~ing bulls~~~ if you ask me.

"Women are directly adapted to act as the nurses and educators of our early childhood, for the simple reason that they themselves are childish, foolish, and short-sighted—in a word, are big children all their lives, something intermediate between the child and the man, who is a man in the strict sense of the word. Consider how a young girl will toy day after day with a child, dance with it and sing to it; and then consider what a man, with the very best intentions in the world, could do in her place.” Quote from Arthur Shopenhauer, 17th century philosopher

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

Back in Black wrote:

Why not both? MGTOW and AA don’t have to be mutually exclusive.

I am a sober member of AA and have been for many years (29 now). It is not perfect, nor is it the be all and end all but it has saved countless lives – mine included.

I believe alcoholics have a different brain chemistry than non-alcoholics. I consider it akin to an allergy. My body/brain react differently than most to alcohol.

If AA does not work for you that does not mean it does not work for anyone else.

I agree that some people try to overstep the bounds of what AA does – it is solely to stop drinking. All the other s~~~ in life is not addressable by AA.

I had another sober man ask me what he should do about his wife trying to control him. I told him to not give a f~~~ what his wife wants and to take care of himself. He was taken aback but grateful for my honesty and said his AA sponsor said to pray about it. F~~~ing bulls~~~ if you ask me.

Now this I can stand behind! I’m glad you shared your thoughts Back in Black, and hats off for being a sober member of AA for 29 years.

I track my consumption as a precaution, but it certainly falls within what is considered ‘in moderation’, so it annoys me when I get asked to join AA, when it’s not really an issue. And what’s frustrating is that when I say I’m not an alcoholic because of that exact reason, I face a mental image of someone rolling their eyes at me. So it reminds me of what a woman does when she tries to shame or guilt a man. And THAT really gets to me. If it works for someone else then great, it’s the ‘you’re in the same boat as us’ approach that I have trouble with.

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[AstroParticipant 2045]

I went to AA and even met my first wife there, BIG MISTAKE! I stayed totally sober for 7 years while she drank, made an ass out of herself and went to jail more times than I can count. AA is good, it’s for treating an addiction when one has lost control. MGTOW is good, it’s for treating an addiction when one has lost control. Women can certainly drive a good man to AA meetings, if not over a cliff.

The millennials have reached TRUE equality as this is the first generation in history where the females consume as much alcohol as the males. The problem is that females do not have the enzymes or body mass to absorb that much booze. I drive at night at a major university and I could tell you many stories about it. It’s not the frat boys that are the problem anymore, it’s the sorority girls that are passing out on the sidewalks and getting DUI’s (also texting, which I think is even worse). They are finding out they are not as “Strong and Invincible” as Helen Reddy’s song led them to believe. I expect that AA is already starting to see a huge increase of females in their 20’s walking through the door.

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