MGTOW + nofap … scary results !

[Anonymous 3]

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

Gone Ghost wrote:

Just to be clear I’m not talking about No SEX here…Healthy natural sex with a woman , totally different thing in my opinion.

Some of us have no desire to chase tail because we understand that it’s a complete waste of time and there is currently an STD epidemic.
Thanks but no thanks!

[Gone GhostSpectator 222]

LOL I’m going to sleep. Will see if anyone has anything positive to say in the morning.

~ Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? ~

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Gone Ghost wrote:

Oh man I give up lol … kinda surprised to see men on a forum devoted to ‘going your own way’ attacking abstinence from porn and calling it unhealthy.

I suggested you to masturbate WITHOUT porn, once or twice a week.
I use the fleshlight EVERY morning when I wake up, and I don’t need porn because since the age of 15 I have erection in the morning when I wake up.

Gone Ghost wrote:

And I didn’t say that I was seeking validation or attention from women, merely that it was an observed OUTCOME OF THE CHANGES…

The problem is “I’m opposed to fap (even fap without porn) but sex with women is another thing: healthy and natural”.

The problem is then reinforced by you alleging that you were only referring to “porn” and not to fap on the whole, (including even fapping without porn): that’s a backpedaling, also a lie.

Smells tradcon woman.

Friendly suggestion:
Learn how to approach men if you want to marry, gal.
And be ready to support men without jobs or men who earn less than you.
It could really work, you know?
After all, it’s about love, not money, right? 😀

What? So do you think that marriage isn’t worth at such conditions?
I already knew…thank you for playing…

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[Gone GhostSpectator 222]

Eric Lauder wrote:

The problem is “I’m opposed to fap (even without porn) but sex with women is another thing: healthy an natural”.

OK, so I admit the wording could have been better by saying ‘natural’ but I feel like I’ve been on the back foot having to defend myself throughout this thread. My orginal post has ended up completely distorted and quite frankly just seems to be under constant attack. I am trying to say that I feel ( and it is only my opinion ) that there are significant benefits to abstaining from masturbation and pornography. I am not condemning it or saying that everyone should stop doing it.

I’m not advocating chasing women or actively seeking their approval. I’m also not trying say that fapping is the devil bla bla ..Nor am I telling anyone ‘not to fap’ as you just said. All I said was that FOR ME abstaining from it has improved my life.

And the other dude calling me a Tuna and some s~~~ about chasing females was the one talking about banging a load of women in your 20s … pot kettle??? jeez

I deliberately approached this thread as sharing my experience and NOT trying to tell anyone else what they should do and yet that is the spin you seem to be going for. And at no point was I trying to put females on a pedestal or advocate chasing them or anything like that??

Furthemore Eric, you seem to be contradicting yourself in a desperate attempt to flame my thread. Firstly, you say that me ghosting and having less social contact is ‘unhealthy’ .. then when I say that I think real sex can be healthy, you turn around and say f~~~ing a fleshlight is better!? Just round and round in circles with this.

~ Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? ~

[Anonymous 1]

Anonymous wrote:

The men that are the most messed up are the ones that got no sex in their teens and twenties, and maybe a trickle in their 30s.

I’m well on my way to being “Most Messed Up” then. I’ll be 30 shortly. Oh well, I don’t think I’m missing much. I’m circumcised so 80% of my nerve endings are gone anyways. The way I figure it, that means I only get 20% the amount of pleasure a normal Man would anyways. Maybe being a player worked for you, but my life has been very different.

No Fap, would come highly recommended from Eastern Traditions that I have studied like Qigong. I have experimented for a few months and did see results. Creative output seems to increase. Although, once a week seems to work well for me.

[Gone GhostSpectator 222]

Also if you’re going to jump in accusing me of being a Tuna.. how many of my 50 posts have you actually read ?? And which posts in particular do you have a problem with? Or have you read one post out of 50 and decided to troll the f~~~ out of it?

~ Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? ~

[Gone GhostSpectator 222]

Anonymous wrote:

No Fap, would come highly recommended from Eastern Traditions that I have studied like Qigong. I have experimented for a few months and did see results. Creative output seems to increase. Although, once a week seems to work well for me.

Thank you for the objective and constructive response 🙂 Interesting to hear your thoughts. Once a week not a bad plan, I too did that and was a good happy medium.

~ Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? ~

[Red KnightParticipant 720]

Anonymous wrote:

The men that are the most messed up are the ones that got no sex in their teens and twenties, and maybe a trickle in their 30s. Then they’re in their 40s and 50s, trying to convince everyone that 40+ year old women are sexy. Try not to be one of those guys. Sex is something to enjoy as a young man, and then leave behind and do other things as your passions cool.

I am one of those people that you directed your post at. I am 30 years old and never had sex, but I am anything but messed up. Maybe I USED to be messed up when I was a kid, as the reason for me never having sex was a crippling social anxiety. However, these days I am in good physical shape, have a good paying job, very little anxiety/shyness around other people, and am perfectly happy. I see absolutely nothing messed up about that.

As for the original poster, I am glad to hear it’s working out for you. However, I must say I don’t really buy into “NoFap”. I understand that the act of masturbation and sex activates the parasympathetic nervous system which is the vehicle for which your body relaxes itself, but this relaxation is only temporary and only lasts a few hours. And as far as I’m aware, masturbation does not affect testosterone levels, but the actual act of sex does. The only thing that I can see “NoFap” doing is making you horny…and I think anyone who says they see a great difference is experiencing placebo effect. But that’s only my opinion. I might try it for myself sometime and see how it goes, though I must say at age 30 my sex drive is still powerful, but not like it was in my 20s.

Formerly MoneyOverBitches

[Anonymous 3]

Red Knight wrote:

phoenix wrote:

The men that are the most messed up are the ones that got no sex in their teens and twenties, and maybe a trickle in their 30s. Then they’re in their 40s and 50s, trying to convince everyone that 40+ year old women are sexy. Try not to be one of those guys. Sex is something to enjoy as a young man, and then leave behind and do other things as your passions cool.

I am one of those people that you directed your post at. I am 30 years old and never had sex, but I am anything but messed up. Maybe I USED to be messed up when I was a kid, as the reason for me never having sex was a crippling social anxiety. However, these days I am in good physical shape, have a good paying job, very little anxiety/shyness around other people, and am perfectly happy. I see absolutely nothing messed up about that.

As for the original poster, I am glad to hear it’s working out for you. However, I must say I don’t really buy into “NoFap”. I understand that the act of masturbation and sex activates the parasympathetic nervous system which is the vehicle for which your body relaxes itself, but this relaxation is only temporary and only lasts a few hours. And as far as I’m aware, masturbation does not affect testosterone levels, but the actual act of sex does. The only thing that I can see “NoFap” doing is making you horny…and I think anyone who says they see a great difference is experiencing placebo effect. But that’s only my opinion. I might try it for myself sometime and see how it goes, though I must say at age 30 my sex drive is still powerful, but not like it was in my 20s.

No, you’re not actually the target, unless you are obsessed with sex and thirsty, and again, wax on poetic on how women in their 40s and 50s+ are “sexy”.

[Red KnightParticipant 720]

Okay, got it. 🙂 In that case, I think I can agree with you.

Formerly MoneyOverBitches

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@GoneGhost

Really appreciate your original post and have seen a recent surge of appreciation from others ( for various reasons ) too.

“No-fap” as a physical/performance/regimen/self-discpline enhancer is something I can agree with and have practiced myself. Like not eating a meal before a workout.

But I have also fapped before a date – at another man’s recommendation – and it was one of the best bits of advice I ever got. Changed my whole “stance”. Less anxious. Didn’t care if sex happened. A relaxed pace and tone.

. . . so it has it’s perks.

I don’t much care for porn, but I’m personally biased, because I dated an adult star ( BEFORE she became an adult star ) and didn’t see any appeal in that either. I don’t really have any desire to screw a porn star , so I don’t really care to fap to one either.

Who knows. Maybe it’s that “angry f~~~-face” they make. Where she’s breathing through her teeth . . . . looking at him like she hates the guy. I like softer, feminine women more than sport-f~~~ing hardcore competitive athletes, and I don’t care for fake body parts either. Naturally-breasted women only.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Meh
Unlike Deer/Elk/Moose, actively hunting sex/pussy isn’t worth my energy.
If it comes to me, fine. If not, that’s fine too.
That reminds me.
I think I’m going to go trout fishing next week just because I can.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

An alternative to professional porn is amateur porn, if done by at least normal to decent looking people.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

When you truly don’t care if women notice you or not, you’ll stop noticing whether they notice you or not.

Until then, it’s still just a technique.

The final level of mastery of the self is that you no longer need to be the master of yourself. At that point you can just do whatever you want, including jerking off or not, without it having to be part of a process, strategy or plan… it just is.

[Anonymous 3]

Red Knight wrote:

Okay, got it. 🙂 In that case, I think I can agree with you.

Now that I think about it, the start of my point isn’t even necessary. Has nothing to do with how much sex you have early on, but more if you become a pussy begging addict at any point. I only mentioned that due to how the point was being developed with OP. So I myself got baited if I am being honest.

[Gone GhostSpectator 222]

Red Knight wrote:

As for the original poster, I am glad to hear it’s working out for you. However, I must say I don’t really buy into “NoFap”.
and I think anyone who says they see a great difference is experiencing placebo effect. But that’s only my opinion.

Thanks Money – now this is what I call positive feedback. You have respected my opinion and given your own which is contrary but equally valid. This is what I was hoping for, whether it be agree or disagree. Big difference to a few of the bulls~~~ replies I got to begin with, which were straight up disrespectful ( not all , some were cool ) .

Keymaster wrote:

@GoneGhost

Really appreciate your original post and have seen a recent surge of appreciation from others ( for various reasons ) too.

Thank you Keymaster, I appreciate that. It’s not always easy to share personal details but I felt like this was a community in which I could do it without heavy judgement.

Keymaster wrote:

Who knows. Maybe it’s that “angry f~~~-face” they make. Where she’s breathing through her teeth . . . . looking at him like she hates the guy. I like softer, feminine women more than sport-f~~~ing hardcore competitive athletes, and I don’t care for fake body parts either. Naturally-breasted women only.

Lol yeah I would agree.. that style of porn never really done anything for me.

Stargazer wrote:

When you truly don’t care if women notice you or not, you’ll stop noticing whether they notice you or not.

Until then, it’s still just a technique

I definitely agree with you there Doc. I am somewhere in between, largely
not caring either way but due to the fact the changes have all come at once in such a significant way , has been hard not to notice.

Anonymous wrote:

if you become a pussy begging addict at any point. I only mentioned that due to how the point was being developed with OP.

Not sure what point you think I was developing? I was saying that I was ignoring women and not chasing porn or SEX at all… I was talking about ghosting and working hard from home all week. All I said was how much harder women were trying to get MY attention as a result of this. I’m not sure how I ended coming off as someone who wants to chase tail.

Finally, at no point in my OP did I say that I was doing NoFap to attract women. Merely that the increased attraction and attention seeking was an observed outcome.

~ Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? ~

[AttonParticipant]

You must have a pure version of my grand mothers blood for that kind of restraint.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Gone GhostSpectator 222]

Atton wrote:

You must have a pure version of my grand mothers blood for that kind of restraint.

Lmao! The restraint might not last Atton! And I may not even decide to continue doing it… has just been a personal experiment.

~ Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress? ~

[OldBillParticipant]

It’s working for you, Gone Ghost, and that’s all that matters.

Thanks for sharing your results with us and keep going your own way!

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

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