MGTOW are the dark riders of economic apocolypse

[chirParticipant]

Ok ok I made that title up. But still… Damn… that suits my temperament. (and its the wallpaper on my desktop)

It seems that men who go MGTOW, whether they know it or not, are changing the economy. In short the economy is starving for the money men would willingly sacrifice for women, family and children.

Stumbled across this describing the consequences and he makes salient points. The rise of MGTOW is a direct result of the rise of 30 years of feminism and gynocentrism. Without men supporting the system, it has ballooned in debt because men are not spending. He does not judge, only makes the point that without men paying into the system it is destined to collapse.

Hell, the only reasons I bought land and a house was so I could pursue my hobbies.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

I’ve joked about this before. But, seriously, maybe it will just even out? Less kids and less money spent on stupid public schools (which are just glorified day care centers). Less spending on welfare freebies granted to women who can’t remember how many guys they had sex with. With less tax revenue spent on baby mama drama, we could pay down debts and balance government budgets.

However, sales will increase for sports cars, RVs, motorcycles, expensive liquors, hunting/fishing/camping equipment, tiny houses, video games, live streams for popular sports teams, stuff for a personal game room (pool table, foosball, air hockey, dart board), big screen TVs, porn movies, sex toys, trade schools, books/magazines, pets, apartments designed to appeal to men (with great cable/phone outlets), pizza deliveries, maid services, etc.

Sports bars and nudie bars will get more customers. There will be more advertising that panders to men instead of whining, green-haired, psycho feminists.

I also predict that prostitution will be legalized in more states in the USA. The whores will compete for customers and the prices will go down. The price for sex will someday be as low as what the average guy spends to date a women who will not have sex with him. Hooray for free market competition! No need to learn PUA skills. Just get a handjob & cop a feel for $20.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[bladeParticipant]

The system completely f~~~ed me . Financialy mentally and in around about way physically . Government pension , government housing , free medical and other benefits . F~~~ them they created me now they can pay for me and f~~~ing deal with me to . I would much prefer to work but i am to f~~~ed and i am STILL trying to clean up a mess . Still been f~~~ed with which now is not just affecting myself . C~~~s with a pen will be dealing with me sooner or later . The truth shall set me free

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Buller100Participant 2189]

When you walk away , work hard , invest its amazing how quick you can make money, rental debt, money in the market grows quicker than the debt, double whammy and no bitching c~~~ near you.

[Anonymous 42]

^^^^^I know him! He’s the constable of death, he clops through the long abandoned streets of B.C.F.C. every night starting at sunset! Just like Silent Hill!

chir wrote:

Hell, the only reasons I bought land and a house was so I could pursue my hobbies.

I’ve made it my mission to starve the economy and all the hidden taxes and fees built into it. I turned in a pile of registrations and stopped paying a mountain of insurance. I’m simplifying things and staying in the lowest tax bracket I can!

I’m all for men seeing how many rocks it takes to bust and destroy all their communist machinery, really scrap the f~~~ing thing!

My life has become a bit of the past blended with the advantages of modern machinery, my savings will be put into stagnant investments that create no maintenance costs or profits for thieves I’ll never meet. Silver, Gold, Copper, Zinc, placed in cold unheated storage.

Farming your own food and supplying your heat is a monumental task starting from dumbf~~~ ZERO!

But I’m doing it!

Bad Government! No more revenue! I fell between the cracks that are now gaping holes about to swallow people by the millions!

Detroit is becoming mini-farms too! There’s no other way to survive Communism!

[OhnoParticipant 668]

chir wrote:

Without men supporting the system, it has ballooned in debt because men are not spending.

That makes no sence.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

chir wrote:

It seems that men who go MGTOW, whether they know it or not, are changing the economy. In short the economy is starving for the money men would willingly sacrifice for women, family and children.

Bulls~~~. MGTOW did not destroy the job market. MGTOW did not create the corruption in government. MGTOW did not create the mountains of debt. MGTOW did not destroy the family unit. MGTOW did not destroy the culture.

MGTOW are not the dark riders. MGTOW are the canaries in the coal mine. We are leaving because we see the collapse that is happening.

[Anonymous 1]

Government is the reason I won’t get into rental property . Working on houses and dealing with the inspectors and their power trips. Leave me the hell alone

[chirParticipant]

If you read the link. Feminists and men catering to them created the current situation. MGTOW are the inevitable result. When the western gynocentric machine wants to grind your bones to make its bread, like any sensible man you pause and look at your options. Then you get on your horse and take the next off-ramp, leaving the landwhales flopping on down the highway.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[AwakenedParticipant 35201]

MGTOW is a direct result from the negative effects of the ever increasing Gynocentric Feminist Society.

Any CURRENT Potential Economic effects created by MGTOW will not have any catastrophic negative results.

The Potential GAME CHANGER will be IF the Decreased number of Married/Childless Men continues to Increase over TIME.

Now, MGTOW contains many Men that have already paid into the system, and many will continue to support the “System” for many years to come in the areas of both Child Support and/or Alimony.

The ever increasing number of Non-married men 17 – 34 that are Not getting Married could definably change things if this trend CONTINUES and INCREASES over time !!

I am Assuming the Trend WILL GROW EXPONENTIALLY !!

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[MuglintarParticipant 1333]

FunInTheSun wrote:

The whores will compete for customers and the prices will go down.

They legalized protitution a few years ago, turning my country into Europe’s brothel.
Results: – a BJ has approximately the same price as 2 Big Macs (quarterpounders).
– Intercourse you can get for less than a box of (middle price) beers (containing 24 bottles as a standard = 4 six packs).

So your presumption is proven to be right.

This “liberation and de-criminalization” of the “poor suppressed women, forced by patriarchy and/or poverty into prostitution”, had the effect these women have to work much more and much harder just to make ends meet.
Well done, Feminazis, really well done! I bet these Girls are really thankful for what “Equality” has done for them – IRL sarcasm

"Him, who delights in solitude, is either a wild beast or a GOD!" - Aristotle (Aristot. Pol. 1.1253a) 1 Hom. Il. 9.63; the passage goes on: ἐστὶν ἐκεῖνος ι ὃς πολέμου ἔραται.

[chirParticipant]

Ohno wrote:

chir wrote:

Without men supporting the system, it has ballooned in debt because men are not spending.

That makes no sence.

Perfect sense.
Women vote for government spending (for women’s programs) and entitlements (for them). Who pays for them? Men. So the size of government spending has been increasing at a fair clip.

“The destruction of the family and marriage by feminism is also destroying the traditions normally performed as one progresses through life. Without the need to purchase a home, to pay the costs of having children, and the fact that men no longer have to strive to be a bread winner in a household, money normally spent as a consumer is being used elsewhere, and without the need to go deeply in debt.”

Without men putting on the shackles of debt slavery willingly, the government beast of entitlements begins to starve then consume itself with debt.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Anonymous wrote:

Government is the reason I won’t get into rental property . Working on houses and dealing with the inspectors and their power trips. Leave me the hell alone

Taxes alone are the reason I decided not to own anything more than my condo in my state. For a small house on 2-3 acres around here you are talking 6k+ in taxes…f~~~ that.

chir wrote:

“The destruction of the family and marriage by feminism is also destroying the traditions normally performed as one progresses through life. Without the need to purchase a home, to pay the costs of having children, and the fact that men no longer have to strive to be a bread winner in a household, money normally spent as a consumer is being used elsewhere, and without the need to go deeply in debt.”

Without men putting on the shackles of debt slavery willingly, the government beast of entitlements begins to starve then consume itself with debt.

When I hit a point in life where I felt like I made it…I guess the next logical thing to do is find a wife and start a family…that is when I thought wait…what the f~~~…why would I do that? I spent my 20s busting ass. getting my college paid for, getting a good job, and saving. Most women my age spent theirs running up their c~~~ count and their debt load.

What makes it a s~~~ deal is simply that we sign a contract, and lets just say the biggest two things I want out of it are kids and sex from a faithful partner, and the biggest two things she wants is kids and to be taken care of financially. Now let’s say we void that contract(divorce)…the government will enforce that she gets the kids and still has access to my money while I have no access to sex from a loyal partner or any other perceived benefits I may have gone into the marriage for. She can essentially walk away with her side of the contract in tact while I get nothing. F~~~ that.

If in divorce courts men got the kids and sex from the ex whenever they wanted it and she faced jail time if she refused or shared her pussy with anyone else…how many women would be getting married? That is the exact deal men get…just money and pussy are interchangeable.

[OhnoParticipant 668]

chir wrote:

chir wrote:
Without men supporting the system, it has ballooned in debt because men are not spending.
That makes no sence.
Perfect sense.
Women vote for government spending (for women’s programs) and entitlements (for them). Who pays for them? Men. So the size of government spending has been increasing at a fair clip.

First you say men arent supporting the system and that men are not spending, then you explain it by saying men are doing more spending due to women´s programs.
The economy is starving due to the interest-based money system where a few people have way more money than they can ever spend and are still getting more and more, while on the other hand the world can produce way enough goods for everyone but a growing part of the world population has less and less money to buy them.

[chirParticipant]

Ohno wrote:

chir wrote:

chir wrote:
Without men supporting the system, it has ballooned in debt because men are not spending.
That makes no sence.
Perfect sense.
Women vote for government spending (for women’s programs) and entitlements (for them). Who pays for them? Men. So the size of government spending has been increasing at a fair clip.

First you say men arent supporting the system and that men are not spending, then you explain it by saying men are doing more spending due to women´s programs.
The economy is starving due to the interest-based money system where a few people have way more money than they can ever spend and are still getting more and more, while on the other hand the world can produce way enough goods for everyone but a growing part of the world population has less and less money to buy them.

Sigh…
Lets qualify. SOME men are no longer supporting the system. In the western world (including china) 80% to 95% of working men are still slaves to the system. Becoming efficient drone workers and debt slaves. Their resources (labor) is milked off by a number of life systems. It takes a lot of effort to support a wife, children and taxes. Many men work themselves to death, via heart failure or suicide.
The government spending (by men) is driven by politics. The politicians listen to the virtue signaling women, crybullies, special interest groups and give them what they want for votes. Lets qualify again, politicians are not men. They are whores to the vote. They could give a s~~~ less what happens to economies as long as they get what they really want, power, even if it is illusionary.
Men coming to the internal realization that they are a disposable cog in a machine designed to grind their bones into societies bread is nothing new. MGTOW in one form or another has been around for thousands of years. What is happening now is the INTERNET. Men are able to spread the word to look around at your lot in life and ask questions. As more men stop feeding the beast more groups and then even mainstream media will take note and hate MGTOW (bachelors) even more. Perhaps we will see bachelor taxes like in Japan. However even those are not working.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[narwhalParticipant]

I’m going to disagree with you, not so much in the data you provide but how you’re evaluating it.

The way I see it, the economy suffers when money doesn’t change hands, but also when there is more taken out then there is put in. Before the feminist revolution, a man’s labor essentially put into the system what his family (women) took out. That was somewhat set because the man controlled what his family (women) took out, and the government didn’t cheat the system by giving the women more then they put in.

Now that’s all shot to hell, because although women ‘work’ they regularly take from the system way more then they put in. The government takes more from men in the form of taxes, child support, and alimony, but it is still is not enough to cover what is taken out. That’s exacerbated by the inefficiency and waste of the government along with the so called ‘1%’ who also take from the system through government rules and such without putting in like services.

None of this is MGTOWs fault. Many MGTOW are still tied into the system and forced to give way more then they take. Even MGTOW who never married, never had kids are likely giving more then taking due to taxes. MGTOW who get ‘off the grid’ as much as possible still are not the cause of the problem as they don’t take more then they give.

I see the argument that the economy is tanking because men…MGTOW, are feeding it less and less. I say that it would collapse anyway since it’s impossible to keep up with the demands of what women take without giving back.

Ok. Then do it.

[OhnoParticipant 668]

narwhal wrote:

say that it would collapse anyway

It would collapse one day, because money comes to exististance with an accounting record when someone takes out a loan. 1:1
The problem is the money to pay back the interest that is charged was never created.
Thats why they are printing new money all the time and bigger and bigger amounts.
But when new money is printed, the money that already exists loses value.
Printing new money is actually expropriation, because everyones capital loses value when the total amount of existing money goes up.
The result will be a hyperinflation at some point.

Isnt it obvious that it has to be the money-system itself, when the productivity is increasing year by year, because of technological progress and women are also working in huge numbers compared to decades ago.
Isnt it obvious that it is the money-system when no politician touches this topic?

[chirParticipant]

narwhal wrote:

I’m going to disagree with you, not so much in the data you provide but how you’re evaluating it.

The way I see it, the economy suffers when money doesn’t change hands, but also when there is more taken out then there is put in. Before the feminist revolution, a man’s labor essentially put into the system what his family (women) took out. That was somewhat set because the man controlled what his family (women) took out, and the government didn’t cheat the system by giving the women more then they put in.

Now that’s all shot to hell, because although women ‘work’ they regularly take from the system way more then they put in. The government takes more from men in the form of taxes, child support, and alimony, but it is still is not enough to cover what is taken out. That’s exacerbated by the inefficiency and waste of the government along with the so called ‘1%’ who also take from the system through government rules and such without putting in like services.

None of this is MGTOWs fault. Many MGTOW are still tied into the system and forced to give way more then they take. Even MGTOW who never married, never had kids are likely giving more then taking due to taxes. MGTOW who get ‘off the grid’ as much as possible still are not the cause of the problem as they don’t take more then they give.

I see the argument that the economy is tanking because men…MGTOW, are feeding it less and less. I say that it would collapse anyway since it’s impossible to keep up with the demands of what women take without giving back.

No worries. If people don’t disagree I would think there was something wrong in the world. 🙂 I just have fun with it. Sometimes people forget to have fun arguing. I just don’t take things personally. Being angry all the time is just a pain in the ass. :p

Yes there was a study recently about the ratio of men vs women in terms of resources input vs benefits received over the working range of people. Men input over 2 times what they received in benefits and women received over 3 times what the put in. Pretty stark statistical analysis that men were getting the shaft and for the most part had accepted it as the norm.

I do disagree with your statement about government not cheating the system in the past. As long as there has been ANY form of government there is always graft and corruption.

MGTOW are not the initial cause of the spiraling debt. No that was started by combinations of Keynesian economics, feminist programs, social justice programs, corruption and the wildly stupid notion by economists and bankers that economies can be built solely on debt.

MGTOW are the RESULT of a negative feedback loop.

As more men say no to becoming debt slaves the world debt will continue to spiral up until it pops. I think TFM was right in that things will snap to a “hard patriachy”. I hope not but its looking that way because we are deep in the feminist part of the pyramid.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[chirParticipant]

Ohno wrote:

narwhal wrote:

say that it would collapse anyway

It would collapse one day, because money comes to exististance with an accounting record when someone takes out a loan. 1:1
The problem is the money to pay back the interest that is charged was never created.
Thats why they are printing new money all the time and bigger and bigger amounts.
But when new money is printed, the money that already exists loses value.
Printing new money is actually expropriation, because everyones capital loses value when the total amount of existing money goes up.
The result will be a hyperinflation at some point.

Isnt it obvious that it has to be the money-system itself, when the productivity is increasing year by year, because of technological progress and women are also working in huge numbers compared to decades ago.
Isnt it obvious that it is the money-system when no politician touches this topic?

There is no money system.
Its a fiat debt system. Read The Big Short
It will help you understand the absurdity of the system as it is. Its a great read too, or see the movie. Since money is fiat and they have no real monetary system now bankers, trade debt like it was a positive instead of a negative. Its hysterical. All the worlds fiat debt systems are on a debasement trend (quantitative easing) to the bottom.

If you are a MGTOW ghost, you are trying to live decently within your means. Since you are not a chained debt slave that makes you anathema to the gynocentric machine. Honestly there are days when I wonder when I will be picked up FEMA and delivered to the gynocentric edumication camps to be “re-adjusted” to properly worship the meat taco and put your slave shackles back on. 😛

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[OhnoParticipant 668]

chir wrote:

Its a fiat debt system. Read The Big Short

But I already understand the money-system since a few years.
You already proved it here in this threat that you dont know what youre talking about.

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