MGTOW and Asperger Syndrome

[MIKETOWParticipant 757]

I have Asperger’s although I’m pretty high functioning. I recently started pondering something. Men are more likely to have Asperger’s than women. Seeing as how men with asperger’s syndrome tend to be naive and lack social skills, they are often rejected and/or manipulated by women. It is also important to note that men are often labeled “creeps” by women for being naive and lacking social skills. That being taken into account, are men with Asperger’s more likely to go their own way than men without Asperger’s?

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Interesting question that I believe that you can answer yourself.

If you has Asperger’s, are you connected with support groups in your area? I quick headcount of those in the support group that are either never married or divorced may give you an idea.

Here is an interesting article about the Cassandra Syndrom. A frequently seen set of circumstances in divorce with one of the partners having Asperger’s

I also found a reference to a study about divorce rates. Preliminary research performed in Holland suggests that the divorce rate for couples in which one partner has AS may be as high as 80%.” from “a Relate leaflet”, in p42 of ‘Asperger Syndrome and Long-Term Relationships‘, by Ashley Stanford.

Hope that this helps.

Edit.

I have a female cousin who’s husband has Asperger’s. They have been married for about 20 years. He is an IT professional and she is a stay at home mom. He being a stay at home was necessary. Son is autistic and daughter has/had severe ADHD.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[MIKETOWParticipant 757]

I’m not saying this out of bias, but I think the whole Cassandra Syndrome in regards to a spouse with Asperger’s is totally exaggerated. Those articles sound more like being with a spouse with narcissistic personality than AS, though the disorders have been known to overlap to a degree. People with AS are usually targets for people with narcissistic personality and sociopaths who need someone to take advantage of. Just saying.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

A lack of understanding (i.e. naïveté) and social skills likely impedes one from going his own way on account of a lack of situational awareness and understanding of key concepts e.g. hypergamy. Therefore, I would wager that Autism Spectrum Disorder (as of DSM-5) is an impedance to one going his own way. I would wager that the bulk of them mimic the practices of most MGTOW, notably eschewing of relationships and marriage, but not by choice.

[MIKETOWParticipant 757]

Cipher Highwind wrote:

A lack of understanding (i.e. naïveté) and social skills likely impedes one from going his own way on account of a lack of situational awareness and understanding of key concepts e.g. hypergamy. Therefore, I would wager that Autism Spectrum Disorder (as of DSM-5) is an impedance to one going his own way. I would wager that the bulk of them mimic the practices of most MGTOW, notably marriage, eschewing of relationships, but not by choice.

Interesting notion. And I must agree that it is probably correct. Many aspies probably do lead the MGTOW lifestyle unknowingly. I guess I am the exception to the rule, but as said I am pretty high functioning.

[FermatParticipant 3478]

I have aspergers. Diagnosed in high school. I never fit in with my peers though I desperately tried over 6 years ago to get people to be comfortable around me. It never worked.

It’s easier to go your own way when you are more logical than emotional. People can be logical without aspergers but autism spectrum adults are known to be more logic oriented and not bery emotionally sensitive. Thus it makes it difficult for me to sympathize with women and easier to ignore them when they play games.

I refuse to see a counselor or a support group for my aspergers. They usually involve varients of shaming language for not being overly sensitive to others or ways to fit in our morally deranged society. My dad gives me wise advice on how to understand the world around me and that’s all I need.

Mgtow is the best outlet for an aspie in my opinion. What stops most of them is the gynocracy telling them they are childish and immature for being so smart but clever enough to keep a girl interested in them.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[MIKETOWParticipant 757]

Fermat, I am actually pretty emotionally sensitive. And that has certainly been a weakness of mine in the past. It’s awesome to see that you can let logic lead the way.

[Anonymous 25]

“aspergers” is just a label they put on something. It’s not actually a disorder. A Cambridge professor named Simon Baron Cohen has done so great work on this. His book ‘zero degrees of empathy’ gives a great account of extreme male and female pattern brains. What’s labelled as ‘aspergers’ is an extreme male pattern brain. High functioning aspergers have a lot of positive qualities. Extreme male pattern brains are on the increase. This could be the brain evolving and the next stage in human evolution. Only time will tell.

I posted a previous test on this in a forum post. Searching the forums should bring them up. Only a few people gave results but of the mghow that did take it a couple were very high for systemising and the others were in the usual range for men. There were no mghow who took the test that scored with a female pattern brain (these are probably what we refer to as manginas).

I think one of the reasons we are seeing mgtow is because men are systemising. Men are for the first time in history applying their systemising ability towards women’s behaviour for the benefit of men.

I think aspergers / systemising / extreme male pattern brains is a useful area of study for mgtow. Tesla showed traits of mgtow and unquestionably he had an extreme male pattern brain as he was very good at systemising.

I’ve never been diagnosed with aspergers but I score within the range. It’s never been a problem for me though as I’m high functioning and always end up in the top 1% of whatever I choose to do. I am learning women’s true nature now and applying my sytemising ability to women’s manipulation and I’ve found I can outsmart them and block them.

If you look at the history of what’s happened recently this all makes sense. First men fairly recently learned to systemise women’s attraction traits and that led to PUA and other types of speed seduction methods. Then men learned women’s true nature and hypergamy etc and that women are manipulative and not worth having. Now we are seeing men apply their systemising ability to how women manipulate society, to getting everything in divorce and custody. I think this is going to turn into a real science for men as they figure it out and pass on the knowledge to other men on how to spot, avoid and respond to women’s manipulation tactics. The next stage (which is happening now) is that men will apply their systemising ability to fight back against women’s manipulation and we will start to see men coming out on top as they outsmart women and society more generally. Men will use their systemising ability to get this knowledge out to other men.

Women are about to learn that if you push men around enough, then around eventually comes away and then away eventually becomes an army of men who can outsmart women.

[JasonParticipant 282]

I got diagnosed with Asperger’s a couple years ago – right before the new DSM-5. In all likelihood, though they haven’t received an actual diagnosis, my father, paternal uncle and paternal grandfather all have/had Asperger’s as well. As I understand it parents tend to pass it on to children of their own gender, so it doesn’t surprise me at all.

In any case, like Cipher says, Aspies often end up living a MGHOW lifestyle by necessity rather than choice, regardless of whether they have actually heard about MGTOW or not; I know I did. And like Machiavelli says, Asperger’s doesn’t constitute a disorder (they call it Asperger’s syndrome for a reason) and people shouldn’t look down on Aspies for it. Yes, Aspies have trouble with “normal” social interactions because we lack the particular piece of neurological “software/hardware” (in neurological terms, the lines blur quite a bit) that subconsciously takes in and reacts to social cues (body language, tone of voice, etc) and so we have to consciously learn and look out for it, unlike everyone else. On the other hand this means that experienced Aspies tend to become far better at analysing a person’s personality and thought patterns than ordinary people when meeting them one-on-one, but only if we can then give that person our full attention; in groups we can’t focus on any one person long enough to compensate for our lack of subconscious action/reaction, so the bigger the group the more awkward and “creepy” we appear. Life, eh?

There lies serenity in Chaos. Seek ye the eye of the hurricane.

[RoyDalParticipant]

MIKETOW wrote:

I have Asperger’s although I’m pretty high functioning.

I have it too, although it is self-diagnosed. I’m a walking check-list of Asperger’s signs and symptoms.

However, I was able to thrive as a corporate drone and “retire” at a relatively young age. This in a STEM corp. world. I knew better than to try on sales, marketing or other fields based on human interaction.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

“Asperger syndrome” is just a bulls~~~ label made up by people who want to tell you there is something wrong with you. It is not a real thing.

Also f~~~ those people. You are fine the way you are.

[Mana KnightParticipant 333]

I have A.S
I beleive at least 3 other people on this board have it too. Likely alot more, but from memory I remember speaking to a few of them here.
I think we are more likely to go MGTOW just through being more introverted, not liking people messing with our routines etc.
Lots of reasons why an Aspie would be happier MGTOW.
I am.

[MIKETOWParticipant 757]

sidecar wrote:

“Asperger syndrome” is just a bulls~~~ label made up by people who want to tell you there is something wrong with you. It is not a real thing.

Also f~~~ those people. You are fine the way you are.

I appreciate the kind words but AS is indeed very real.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

MIKETOW wrote:

I appreciate the kind words but AS is indeed very real.

Not according to the DSM it isn’t.

With no clear diagnosis, no genetic cause, no defined pathology, no, it is not a real thing. While some disorders can cause social awkwardness, social awkwardness is not itself a disorder.

[TaoTheMgtowWandererParticipant 263]

Also an aspie as well with a couple of other high functioning things mixed in. but on the going MGTOW issue, i think it was a combination of the two things mentioned in here.

My peace of mind is worth more then your vagina...cunt.

[Anonymous 11]

MIKETOW wrote:

It is also important to note that men are often labeled “creeps” by women for being naive and lacking social skills.

I am a social butterfly. I also am a STEM guy to the core and can easily relate to anyone. I’ve done sales and hard core developmental work in a variety of technical situations. I’ve had people tell me I’m unlike any other technical type they’re ever met and had technical people derisively call me a salesman. I can do both sides quite well.

Women are the fundamental problem no matter what kind of man you are socially. I’m here to tell you that it’s not us.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

Re. autism in general – defining one’s self in the context of a syndrome, disorder, or general malfunction cannot be beneficial.

With these matters, N = 1. The only one that matters is one’s self. To honesty evaluate one’s own strengths and weaknesses and manoeuvre accordingly is much preferable to pigeon-holing as so often happens by others.

[baltimorepoetParticipant 4]

I am fairly high functioning Asperger’s. On the Asperger’s test, the one where the max score is 50 and you are Asperger’s if above 32, I was a 42. I have been able to compensate somewhat by mentally rehearsing situations and by studying human behavior like I would any other academic topic. After readying about 50,000 pages of material from June to September on sex, love, dating, marriage, romance, etc, I now understand women — pretty much fully. (That is why I am on pins and needles hoping the divorce is final in early June before ex eventually tries to reverse monkey branch)

I somehow managed to create 2 relationships that lasted long enough for marriage, but then divorce. (The first spouse was mean, so I left her and the second spouse left me after 4 — that I know of — affairs).

I’m at the stage where I have basically given up on relationships with women, and see them as toxic users and resource acquirers. I go in early January for the initial consult and after that will have a vasectomy. I am taking the philosophy now that women are like an amusement park ride: you hop on then hop off and then hop onto the next ride. With a vasectomy in my near future, the joke will be on them if they try to pregnancy trap me.

If against the odds, some situation with a female that seems to be a NAWALT unicorn results, and she pushes for marriage, I will go through a religious ceremony but maneuver things in such away that there is no signed or filed marriage certificate. I don’t live in a common law marriage state, so there would be no marriage in the eyes of the law. That way, the joke is on her if she wants a divorce.

[Sky-OParticipant 18936]

Regarding the statement about manipulation (by women) –

Men with Aspergers do not have a monopoly on being manipulated by women.

It could be argued successfully than non-Asperger guys are manipulated by vagina at a higher rate:

Since women’s manipulation radar actually turns them off from socially awkward guys and leads them towards more functioning males.

Resulting in more manipulation of non-Asperger c~~~s.

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9548]

I have Asperger’s Syndrome and I will tell you it sucked having it growing up. I was diagnosed about 5 years ago at age 29, because we kept thinking it was my social skills is why I’m struggling with job interviews; turned out to be true. Growing up I was bullied and picked on (still am by my dad’s relatives) to the bitter end. I hated going to school, and I was afraid of looking for work the first year or two after high school. It sucks having it, because I have a hard time communicating properly. I sometimes stutter. It’s very hard for me to find a job, because the managers are impossible to make happy when you have it. It’s not fair that I struggle with it all my life, while everyone else I knew was getting ahead in life. I’m living on government benefits until some dickhead manager gives me a break which I’m in long struggling for and I have to live with my dad.

On the bright side, I can do things that “normal” people don’t do that puts me at an advantage. My driving skills are great, I know all the states in order when they were admitted, I can build a 1000 piece puzzle in a few hours and I can memorize past dates and times as if it just happened, and I can remember movies and shows.

There are some bad things about it outside poor social skills. I hate loud shocking noises like fire alarms, loud thunder, and explosions. I tend to worry and get angry easily. I’m impatient because I hate long waits. And I hate most people and that’s because of years of endless bullying.

sidecar wrote:

“Asperger syndrome” is just a bulls~~~ label made up by people who want to tell you there is something wrong with you. It is not a real thing.

Also f~~~ those people. You are fine the way you are.

Easy for you to say that if you’re not living with it.

https://themanszone.webs.com/

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