Men's Inclination for Monogamy. PUA Delusions of Granduer

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Humans have been around for a quarter million years. Early versions of ourselves go back another 7 million years. Lets look at some Trends in our sociology and sexual behavior, respective to the sexes.

My aim here is expose PUA Chameleons hanging out on TFM’s channel. As some of you know, PUAs are NOT in the Manosphere. They do not have parallel views. They do not ‘Go Their Own Way.’ They don’t even really exist, behaviorally, because most PUAs are college dorks who pu.ssy beg, they just think they’re cool but in reality they are idiots who never get laid. They are sort of like so-called Incels in a way, mistaken and angry.

It’s become apparent to me, that these kids erroneously believe that Men are Polygamous. They think that a few genetic-superstar men who they call “alphas” reign over us all and they own all the pu.ssy. And it’s only through their grace, that any so-called “Betas” receive sexual mates, only after alpha sloppy seconds.

I call bullsh.t on this entire perspective for many reasons. Well one is, even if Betas and Alphas existed, the Betas outnumber them 10 to 1. We’d just kill them and take the women we want.

These Puss.ybeggars are Sex Addicts guys, perverts! They will come up with all sorts of pseudo malarky to excuse their neurotic, validation seeking, sex obsessions. These are the losers who have to have sex or they go bonkers. So they come up with CRAZY animal kingdom sounding psuedo-bullcrap to paint themselves as superior “Alphas” (legends in their own minds) and they re-write the instinctive sexual motives of humans to hide their own philandering and female addiction.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Nothing could be further from the Truth. Most men are monogamous. This doesn’t mean they won’t consider multiple love interests or even fall for one woman and end up going for a different one. It means that The End Goal is to select and safe guard ONE woman. To gain exclusive access to her vagina and to have offspring, exclusively, with that vagina. There is no overwhelming urge to inseminate hordes of Gash. There is an overwhelming urge to inseminate ONE Gash.

They are confusing the act of MEN playing the field in search of a woman, among many, for the end goal which is ONE woman.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Now, Furthermore. Women’s natural inclination is different. They will not stay loyal to one partner, even if she has kids with him. Because of sexual dimorphism and survival, she has no qualms with “monkey-branching” mate to mate, hypergamising males in search of better resource providers (or remorselessly forgetting about a dead mate and getting a new one). This is why MARRIAGE was fu.cking invented before recorded history! To keep cu.nts from getting their snatch plowed by other dudes. No man wants his guarded flowerbox spunked by other dudes. It is NOT our inclination to be Cucks, nor to go around burying our poles in other dudes women. We want it fresh, and we want our own.

Just because a few men get it easier than other men, doesn’t rewrite science to make Men “Polygamous under the “Alpha’s” rule.” LOL Rubbish! There seems to be confusion about some of the “men at the top” who get laid easily (Chads) and the pus.sy-beggars little confused horny boys who haven’t figured things out yet…

6ft tall, 6 figure earning, largely endowed Chads. The Chads are what they are, LUCKY… BUT They aren’t beating their chests and claiming to be genetically superior or “in-charge” of all the vagina in the world. This is not Planet of the Apes.

And honestly, I believe Most Chads started out like any other guy, in pursuit of one golden uterus and True Love… They just caught on quicker because women will have sex with them at the drop of a hat based on Looks. They learned women’s nature quicker.

PUAs want to be Chads, so they invent BS psuedo science and glorify the sex that Chads get, because they’re obsessed with sex…

I’ve seen some deviant little pukes who think they understand Evo-Psych and Sexual Dimoprhism running around Youtube writing this PUA non-sense about ‘Alphas,’ saying that Men are Polygamous. We’re not!

They believe that we’re essentially Chimps, we’re not. We split from that line 7 million years ago! We’re a whole other kind of beast, our mating and intelligence is more complex to say the least.

[narwhalParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

It’s become apparent to me, that these kids erroneously believe that Men are Polygamous. They think that a few genetic-superstar men who they call “alphas” reign over us all and they own all the pu.ssy. And it’s only through their grace, that any so-called “Betas” receive sexual mates, only after alpha sloppy seconds.

There are natural hiearchies in society, and women will be attracted to men that are higher up on the scale in one or more of these hierarchies. Call these guys near the top alphas if you want. I don’t think it makes sense to call everyone else beta since their are multiple hierarchies out their of varying importance. However, the idea that these alphas want all the women to themselves is inaccurate. They want only what they can handle. And they usually encourage others ‘below’ them to also get what they can handle as it helps keep the hierarchy stable and functioning properly.

Women also have their hierarchies. In high school for example, it’s usually the cheer leaders. These are the women other women want to be, and who the men most want. It does not mean all men want the cheerleaders, or that cheerleaders want all the men to themselves.

What generally happens is that men and women are attracted to someone at a similar relative level, as it’s more stable that way. You could argue that government intervention has been messing with the hierarchies lately, thus causing women to misread where they fit.

As far as monogamy goes, I don’t think men are fully monogomous, but choice monogamy considering the nature of women. Historically speaking, men would choice several wives/mates when it was advantageous to do so. That is to say that there was more advantage to the arrangement than disadvantage. Men are biologically capable of being physically attracted to more than when woman, and being emotional connected to more than one person. They are not always capable of meeting the physical and emotional needs the woman wants, or that government/society demands that he provide for her.

What’s really happen today is that not only can a man not handle (or want to handle) the needs of multiple women, but he does not want to handle the needs of a single woman. There are more disadvantages than advantages. And there can be no argument about this. No one is going to deny that women were easier to deal with in the past than they are today. Women will even say “you can’t handle a strong independent woman”. What they don’t understand is that ability is irrelevant, if I don’t want it in the first place.

Ok. Then do it.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

There’s a guy named Parker Shaw who made a comment in the video posted below.
(in a thread HE started, says)

Parker Shaw
13 hours ago

@Gravel Pit I respectively and completely disagree with what you said.

Not only alpha males seek as many females as possible, but beta males WANT and try to do the same. Most males fantasize polygamy, but in a polygamy society, 80% males have zero females

These dudes are OBSESSED by Alphas and Hierarchies and Sex… its pathetic.

None of it exists…

This Alpha bullcrap, as we have demonstrated before, never ends… Beta, Meta, Zeta, Delta …etc into infinity. You can try to tie a neat little bow around sociology, word-salad a bunch of Animal Kingdom BBC sounding sh.it about the Alpha lion or chimp whatever… That is no where near accurate in describing Human Sexual Sociology. No where close.

There is a Mass Delusion going on among men. A psychological sickness. They cant think straight.
The state of affairs, how women are all nasty hoes that never court men anymore… has caused REAL neurotic deviants bro. They start thinking all kinds of crazy sh.it.

Stardusk already covered these simple human topics WAY BACK… now we have Psuedo crap invading.
There are no Alphas…period. Its just men, no two are alike! Some get ass easier, based on looks. Some get ass easier, based on Money. Some are so undersexed that they become JEALOUS and DELUSIONAL!

[Anonymous 3]

The fact that men are always sexually attracted to “beautiful women” is a clear indication of the biological imperative of reproduction.

Our closest brothers in nature (apes) are not monogamous. What exists is a hierarchy, were the dominant male has singular access to females, while the others can only succeed to inseminate one female if he is distracted.

The big difference between man and its cousins is that women are always in heat and signalling it. Thus men are permanently aroused. For mankind sex exists even during pregnancy, and this is not seen in any other species.

So, monogamous behaviour is actually a female tool to guarantee resources during the long process of raising a human child.

For men, monogamy its only a way to fulfil their sexual needs, that nature has been kind enough to put in overdrive.

Provide and protect, I think, its a totally different instinct.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Thanks Clu & Narwhal. I know you British guys know whats up.

(to do with Chimps/Apes and other animals) the dominant male has singular access to females, while the others can only succeed to inseminate one female if he is distracted.

Thats what the guy was trying to tell me, that Human Reproduction takes that same form. No way.

I’m certain that there are normal married men out there. Average, bald, a little overweight maybe. If you have sex with his wife, he will never touch that pus.sy again. Not just because of her infidelity, but also because you put your penis in something that was exclusively reserved for him only. Now its tainted… That is a Monogamous Instinct. Has nothing to do with Religion or Culture or African Savanah crap… its pure HUMAN INSTINCT.

We want it fresh, we want it to ourselves, and we want it on a regular basis. That is monogamy. Women are the ones who want to be swingers, not men. That is why we invented marriage.

[narwhalParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

This Alpha bullcrap, as we have demonstrated before, never ends… Beta, Meta, Zeta, Delta …etc into infinity. You can try to tie a neat little bow around sociology, word-salad a bunch of Animal Kingdom BBC sounding sh.it about the Alpha lion or chimp whatever… That is no where near accurate in describing Human Sexual Sociology. No where close.

I don’t disagree with this, but if you just look at human history, it seems pretty clear.

Did men dominated society in early history? Yes.
Did men have multiple wives in human history? Yes.

How could you not conclude that men would have multiple wives if the benefits outweighed the costs?

That’s not the same as alpha/beta, or a man wanting to stick his dick in anything female. If you look at how these setups work, the man was always looking after the women as his dependents, almost the same as he looked after his kids. He often had slaves that were also a part of his clan/group/whatever. Sometimes his offsprings families, or families that followed him for support. It was the structure that worked. There were also men that were monogomous, but that was either because that was all he could support, or perhaps his group felt it was important for every man to have a wife in order for him to fell part of the group.

Ok. Then do it.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

narwhal wrote:

Did men have multiple wives in human history? Yes.

So a few Later-day Saints break the rule across the whole board?

Im talking about human DRIVE, the impulse. NOt about culture. If you look at the genome, didnt we find out that only about 20% of men even got to pass on their genes anyway? So basically MOST men led near sexless lives.

But whose fault is that?? Its not MEN’s instinct that results in that dilemma, its Womens! Those countless men across history would have settled for just one Gash to be his and his alone.

What prevented that? Women’s treacherous Hypergamy! Women are the ones with no-attachments, no feelings, no remorse. They split chalks without regard at all and hop on cawks like leap frog…

The so-called human Alphas that that kid was trying to liken to Apes are no more Polygamous than the Men who died virgins yearning for just one love. The difference is, GASH throw themselves at certain men, and those men just roll with it. That doesnt mean theyre instinctively Polygamous. It means they check the boxes that make Panties Wet.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Alphas?

Like brad pitt? Like jhonny depp?
Like the mma figther war machine?

Look where alphaness took them, F~~~ THAT NOICE, they can go be as alpha as they want, this guy is going away.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5114]

Alpha has nothing to do with getting pussy, anyone can get pussy.

Sovereignty above all else.

[RayBandakuParticipant 888]

Great post, I agree with you.

At the root of all this is the urge to stay immortal, to live on forever without death, but it’s not possible so men want to pass their genes to their kids so they live on through them which makes men want women. It’s a biology thing.

We all want to live forever that is way we fear death and do not want to talk about it.

What matters the most is that we want to be content, happy and at peace with our lives. Can a new woman entering our life as wife keep us feeling content, happy and at peace. Answer is big NO, so in today’s society its best to stay away from women enjoying going our own away, being Alpha or something else is a irrelevant matter.

Thank you for sharing a great post, enjoy going your own way.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Knights Templar Rising wrote:

Alpha has nothing to do with getting p ussy, anyone can get pussy.

P ussy is as easy to find as water in this society.

I mean, seriously. I was even getting pussy when I was clueless about women and had a dead-end job in the 90’s making about 6 dollars an hour. I was blue pill as f uck back then, and I’d bitch about not getting p ussy if it had been more than 5 or 6 days.

Now, I don’t give a f uck about p ussy.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Terms like alpha and beta are used to describe canine social behavior. They are not applicable to higher primates like humans.

PUAs miss the point, which is this: when you stop caring about getting laid, when you no longer desire sex, it’s thrown at you. Don’t bother with picking up women. Walk away from them and they chase you.

Gravel Pit wrote:

There is no overwhelming urge to inseminate hordes of Gash. There is an overwhelming urge to inseminate ONE Gash.

Replace “inseminate” with support and you’re onto something. It’s not about sperm. It’s about money.

Gravel Pit wrote:

Women’s natural inclination is different. They will not stay loyal to one partner, even if she has kids with him. Because of sexual dimorphism and survival, she has no qualms with “monkey-branching” mate to mate, hypergamising males in search of better resource providers (or remorselessly forgetting about a dead mate and getting a new one).

Only when they think they can get away with it. The problem is that these days, they can.

When men have proper control over their own resources and labor, when a man can freely walk away from a faithless woman and her progeny and take his productivity with him, women will enforce monogamy on each other.

The problem, again, is that men no longer have control over their own resources. Women are permitted to declare: “My body, my choice,” but men are not permitted to say: “My money, my choice.”

So men are walking away entirely, and society is collapsing thereby.

But that is not our problem.

Anonymous wrote:

Our closest brothers in nature (apes) are not monogamous.

Humans are not apes. The requirements to turn an infant gorilla into an adult silverback are completely different from the requirements to turn an infant human into an adult man, and that difference results in completely different social structures.

For men, monogamy its only a way to fulfil their sexual needs, that nature has been kind enough to put in overdrive.

Not true. For men, monogamy is a way of ensuring the labor and resources he expends on raising children are for the benefit of his own children.

Again, it’s not about the sex. It’s about the money.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

good posts.

Imagine if we went into the Gorilla habitat and introduced the birth-control pill, child support and welfare for females. LOL. Would the so-called Tournament Mating strategy that TFM keeps referring to exist anymore?

The point is, even without modern-cheats, the Naked Ape (humans) are NOT a Tournament Style mating species. Males seek ONE partner, but have many to choose from. Females are only as loyal as their options so they swing partners.
These traits combined resemble a Monogamous structure of natural stability.

When you toss in modern medical cheats like the Pill and free abortion clinics, plus modern-legal cheats like no-fault divorce and child support: You violate the Natural Order that Humans flourished in.

As a result, the females use the cheat-codes to evade their biological roles (like giving candy to a dog, they dog gets sick!). Women are sick because they were given too much unnatural power.

They lack the instincts to use that power properly. Sort of like how modern females earn huge salaries, 80K, 100K+, salaries that in previous eras, supported entire families and that is what Men did with that money. Today, women horde it. Why? Because of evo-psych: women don’t have the altruistic virtues that men evolved to have.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

These hierarchical connotations are NOT very applicable to modern metroplex cities where 3 million people mingle.

To an extent, people mate within their class: rich, middle-class or poor. But in today’s world, everyone is fu*cking poor LOL so not much Hierarchy there.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Imagine if we went into the Gorilla habitat and introduced the birth-control pill, child support and welfare for females.

That’s already the situation in Gorilla society, only instead of birth control and welfare they have infanticide and cyclical abundance. As to child support, male gorillas already do fu​ck all to provide for their offspring, and attempting to impose some arbitrary rules to change that will be ignored. Need I remind everyone where a 600 lb. gorilla sleeps?

That’s an environment that allows for TFM’s so-called tournament mating.

But that is not the human condition.

Would the so-called Tournament Mating strategy that TFM keeps referring to exist anymore?

TFM is spot on for some things, but he has only a high school level understanding of ethology. He can’t seem to grasp that humans are very, very different from other primates, and our behaviors are not comparable. Human behavior can regress to resemble that of other primates, but only under very unnatural and unsustainable conditions, and that does not make that regressed behavior the natural state for humans.

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