Men being discarded from labor force.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

I’ve told you guys about my Asperger’s syndrome in the past.

The psych I see has a general practice. He performs testing for men to support their Social Security disability claims. He has 10 men a week come in to take tests so they can try to get disability payments. None of them meet the criteria. The problem is they are 50 year old men with high school diplomas that worked a drill press for 30 years. Now the factory closed and they can’t find a job that pays more than minimum wage. To survive they try to get disability.

This is kinda why I get angry when I see men drop out/ don’t get skills. I’m not saying college but do something to make sure you have a future. Something. I know it isn’t popular to say this but make sure you have a plan.

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[HermitParticipant 136]

Because men are being discarded from the labor force, this is why I think a STEM degree is so valuable. Or the very least, get IT certs. I’ve already got a STEM degree and I’m working towards getting IT certs to help back my education up.

I know STEM isn’t for everyone, but if you’re getting f~~~ed in every way possible to hinder you getting a decent job, then you might as well try to elevate yourself into making your resume as marketable as possible.

STEM subjects will be valuable no matter which era you’re in. Which is why I think every man should at least obtain an associate’s degree in a medical field or a STEM subject.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Good to meet you Hermit.

Be careful with the STEM trap. I am a longtime STEM’er. In MOST STEM field there are more degrees than there are STEM jobs. Salaries are depressed because of this.

The whole government “we need more STEM” degrees is really we need more low paid STEM grads from foreign countries that work cheap.

My equivalent in China makes $5K a year. The jobs aren’t there. If a young man came to me and expressed an interest in my STEM field, I would tell him not to do it.

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[HermitParticipant 136]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Good to meet you Hermit.

Be careful with the STEM trap. I am a longtime STEM’er. In MOST STEM field there are more degrees than there are STEM jobs. Salaries are depressed because of this.

Same here.

I realize that STEM fields can be a trap, but they’re a great back up. I’m not saying they’re the “end all be all” of great jobs, but at least in the western world, they’re quite valuable.

That being said, if I had the chance to do it all over again, I’d of probably gone into finance or a trade. STEM fields are highly competitive in this day and age.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

This is kinda why I get angry when I see men drop out/ don’t get skills. I’m not saying college but do something to make sure you have a future. Something. I know it isn’t popular to say this but make sure you have a plan.

That or spend those thirty years behind the drill press saving every f~~~ing penny possible and using it to invest in something income generating like rental properties. Be aware that this is impossible for men who make the mistake of getting married or having children. You cannot save what wifey spends. I feel sorry for the poor bastards who fell for those traps.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Fine, let them pay the mortgage, cars, salons, groceries, dates, vacations, projects around the house, eating out, shop, etc.

So we men can used up their resources.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[HitmanParticipant]

Less jobs means less money.
Less money means less pussy.
Less pussy means less headaches.

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

Do something that is difficult to do. Do something that is annoying to do. Do something that women can’t do. Do something that can’t be shipped overseas or taken by immigrant workers.

Skills like truck driver. Become a welder. Low skill labor is disappearing. People think they are safe in corporate America. Most of those jobs can become obsolete with a computer program, and they can easily be shipped overseas. So something that is needed now, that will be needed in the future and will be needed in your back yard. Where they need a person. Not somewhere in China.

Develop skills, live cheaply, and always plan for the future. Let the women get in debt, we will swim in money.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[Duke TogoParticipant 2664]

Education is not just for work, but also your mind. The rewards you get may not make themselves obvious to you, but they are there. If you are educated but struggling and thinking you wasted your time with study, compare yourself and your critical thinking ability to someone with no education. You will agree your education has given you something useful to you for the rest of your life.

This has been mentioned here before, when considering your future, don’t just chase a dream career, carefully consider real opportunities where there is a skills shortage. Your career could easily end up not being what is what described to be in the promotional pamphlet and the opportunity you looked over could turn out way better.

Hermit wrote:

I’ve already got a STEM degree and I’m working towards getting IT certs to help back my education up.

It never hurts to have a backup.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Hermit,

My pretzel factory will hire any STEM grad for $15 an hour. I made $15 an hour fresh out of college 20 years ago.

Supply and demand. I like it because I know how atom bombs work, why the sky is blue, that drives me.

I school my Medical Doctor on how my drug work.

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[TuneoutParticipant]

sidecar wrote:

That or spend those thirty years behind the drill press saving every f~~~ing penny possible and using it to invest in something income generating like rental properties

Careful with that too,I know several landlords and they curse their tenants,always on call,repairing something,
BS excuses about rent ect,trying to find that one good tenant is about as useless as searching for your Unicorn!

I invest in the markets instead,more predictable than idiot tenants-and less hassle,I just watch the returns.

Today don’t even think of working in one job for your entire career either.
I got a well rounded education in the Trades so I can literally hop from one job to another and since I’m not tied down with M&M’s (marriage&mortgage) I can go to where the jobs are.

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[HermitParticipant 136]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Supply and demand. I like it because I know how atom bombs work, why the sky is blue, that drives me.

I love my STEM field also. It’s one of the best educational investments I’ve ever made. Science has always been one of the motivating factors in my life if only because I love every subject it offers.

[Anonymous 11]

I concur with STEM being a possible trap and is over hyped. My 50 year old mechanical engineer friend drank himself to death. It was a very poor choice of stress coping mechanisms for a jobless man.

Another major threat for everyone is automation. One of my clients owns a laboratory. The amount of automation he has is simply astounding. I’m normally a hired gun IT troubleshooter, but I did some fill in bench lab work for him as I am quite well versed in this particular analytical procedure.

The evolution of the robotics involved has nearly eliminated the bench grunt work versus 15 years ago. It was basically set and forget. I’ve also done some data analysis automation programming for him. It was the first time I’ve used Calculus in 20 years.

How do we stay ahead of the curve?

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

I don’t think you can.

Automation / outsourcing is here. No link, but I have read articles that there are Chinese people who write basic legal documents for law offices. Chinese Radiologists read your X-rays. One company I worked at had Indians doing most of the IT support. I figured it out because of the accent and the lag time when having telephone conversations with them.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[HermitParticipant 136]

Anonymous wrote:

How do we stay ahead of the curve?

You could always end up moving to the countries in which the jobs are being outsourced. Not ideal, but it’s better than having a no job at all if it comes to a point where almost every job is automated.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

Trades guys.

Plumbing.Electrical,Masonry,iron work,carpendry.

Go to trade school young man.

I wished the hell i did.

Dont be like me.

Learn a skill and save money.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Don’t do masonry. Your body can’t sling stones when you are 50.

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[Veritech AceParticipant 699]

Hermit wrote:

<p abp=”173″>Because men are being discarded from the labor force, this is why I think a STEM degree is so valuable. Or the very least, get IT certs. I’ve already got a STEM degree and I’m working towards getting IT certs to help back my education up.

Just a warning, IT doesn’t pay as well as it used to. There are still some good paying jobs in the field, but most are little better than monkey jobs that pay $15/hour. You might want to direct your focus toward programming.

[the roadParticipant 3125]

I agree. My motto when I was in college: always have a backup plan.

I originally wanted to write music and perform. College was my backup plan. Now that I’ve changed my direction in life (due to my son) I can say without a doubt that my backup plan saved my ass. I chose a business management degree that had a heavy amount of IT/computer curriculum, programming, networking, etc. So I went into the STEM fields and I’ll eventually go into management as time goes on.

Do it if you can. I know that people trash on traditional college because of the anti male climate but if you don’t have a need to socialize through the school then you’ll be fine. I went to school and went home. I had my own friends already, I didn’t go to the college parties. Trade schools are probably a good choice too as long as it’s not a type of work that is on the chopping block and headed to China. Plumbers and mechanics are always needed. I have a friend that makes well over 100K a year as a plumber.

#MANOUT

[Anonymous 11]

Automation is only going to get worse.

Technical sales could be a good career possibility for STEM degree guys, but you’re going to be competing against blue pillers hiring buxom blonde bimbos.

People skills are another way out of it. A larger portion of my billable hours is now coming from handling third parties for clients as a lot of IT work is now being distributed. I’ve also got a solid reputation as the guy who can identify the problem and fix it or route around it.

My niche is making sure executives can do their jobs properly by whatever needs necessary. I horrified a government employee friend of mine when I told her I was making a fake PO for a client to route around some bureaucracy at a well known monolithic IT company. It worked. I got my desired result within 15 minutes.

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