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I’m working on an article about sex and MGTOW. Please help with feedback if possible
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Sex and MGTOW
“All men are dogs!” many women scream, raging at our relentless craving for sexual satisfaction. In some respects, they are right: from very early on, our primal urges tend to be persistent and powerful, and often take control, whether we – or the opposite sex – like it or not.
Men’s sex drives are also highly attuned to the visual. If we see something sexually appealing, in life or in our heads, it doesn’t take long before things go boom, leaving us aroused and swollen with excitement. The urge can well up in only moments, grabbing our attention like a thundering AC/DC concert.When this happens, it can be difficult, frequently impossible, to resist, especially for those abstaining from sex with women. In the thrall of sexual fantasy, many of us will go to great lengths, howl at the moon, spend what we don’t have, and chase the smell of pussy as far as we can. For those who don’t quite understand this basic instinct, it is easy to view it as something odd, not realizing it is at the core of who we are as human beings.
But things are different when it comes to Men Going Their Own Way, whose experts are educating younger generations about today’s realities. While some say MGTOW is controversial, the members of this group have an intuitive sense of women and sex. They understand that our urges can get us into deep and serious trouble, largely because most women know all too well how vulnerable it makes us.Men are the prize
The fact is, men are the prey and the prize in a sexual money trap. We are at the top of the food chain, ripe for producing and protecting without interruption to meet others’ needs, rather than our own. It is our so-called duty to build and maintain the home and work our fingers to the bone for the benefit of women, merely because they know how to take advantage of our natural instincts.
Once we start paying closer attention and looking at things more clearly, we can reach a point where we are no longer slaves to biology. For today’s man, knowledge – about sex and women – is power; it can help us break free of the chains that have been wrapped around us for far too long.How Much Sex
Aside from those men who are “involuntary celibates”, or virgins and abstaining from sex with women, other men should have lots of sex! Of course, because we are all unique, there can be big differences among us about what “lots” really means. For some, the upper end is virtually unlimited – having a giga-zillion sexual acts in a lifetime might not even be close to our theoretical maximum. For others, having little or no physical intercourse at all might be just fine
Still, for those of us who look to get our rocks off any chance we get, the odds increase that we will end up enslaved by unexpected pregnancy or some other female trick. For that reason, many MGTOW members strongly recommend that men eliminate such risk, specifically by getting a vasectomy. But that doesn’t mean being totally home free, however. Regardless of our sexual appetites, all of us are vulnerable to being accused of rape and harassment.
Communication InequalitySadly, the female tongue is often a dangerous and destructive weapon, which stems largely from their own biological makeup. In general, girls tend to advance socially from an early age using the natural verbal skills they have at their disposal, while boys, meanwhile, tend to get caught up with making fart noises and engaging in other such pursuits.
Consequently, girls tend to mature earlier than boys, and quickly develop the ability to confront others, hold fluent conversations with two or more people, stand up in class, and eloquently respond to questions from teachers. Later on, the communications gulf makes it difficult for men and women, especially those who are similar in age, to have genuinely deep and emotional two-way conversations.
Needless to say, this can inhibit us when it comes to making it clear what we really want and communicating our needs and desires to the opposite sex. We may feel unsure of ourselves, leaving an opening that any selfish or self-serving female can capitalize on. It can be difficult to utter the words that make us feel confident and reassured, rather than embarrassed and frustrated.Teach Yourself
But like most things in life, it is often simply a matter of making the effort and practicing as much as possible. To avoid being oppressed by our biology and manipulated by others, we must explain ourselves and our intentions as honestly and openly as possible. While the words may vary from person to person, a conversation might go something like this:
“I am protective of my independence and am not interested in building a family. I am not interested in going to the next level or living together, or marriage and children. I am interested in (exclusive or nonexclusive) sex with you. I also ask you not mention me on social media.”
In response, she might say, “You want to use me for sex?”
“No, I want each of us to use each other for sex.”
“Let me think a day on this.”
“Also, I have goals and aspirations that consume my time; I do not want you to call me every day or interrupt my day.”
If she balks at your heartfelt honesty, don’t argue or take it the wrong way. Simply move on. “Thank you. I will look for someone whose goals are more in harmony with mine.”
To live the life we were destined to live and ensure we are not enslaved by the demands of others, it is essential not to mince words when dealing with the opposite sex. To get where we want and deserve to be, we must remain true to ourselves and be honest with others.
The Road to Satisfaction
In practical terms, achieving sexual satisfaction is not as hard as it might seem. Among the many avenues open to us are bars, sex clubs, strip clubs, prostitutes, friends and neighbors, online services, sex dolls and robots, depending on preferences. But it also requires a measure of self-awareness. If we have a fetish or other preference – assuming it does not cause harm or land us in jail – it shouldn’t be ignored.But in seeking libertine satisfaction, it is worth remembering that there can be a downside. Aside from getting someone pregnant, there is the risk of catching a sexually transmitted disease, especially when there are numerous partners involved. There are treatments available, of course, though not necessarily for all such maladies. Regardless, there is also a stigma associated with catching STDs, so it makes sense to be careful and have a good private doctor.
The realities of growing older can also weigh on our male capabilities. Our physical and mental condition can deteriorate or falter, and health-related issues can make it difficult for us to carry out various functions, including sex. On the plus side, some of us might actually be relieved and gain greater peace of mind when the desire for sex diminishes.
Catching Feelings
But while these aspects are important, there is another, potentially more challenging concern. When two people are in a sexual relationship, it is not unusual for one or both to catch certain feelings, where the emotions of “loving” begin to emerge. If this happens, we have no choice. We must take control. We must not lead partners on, knowing they have fallen for us. We must not abandon our values of independence. Unless we really want things to go further, it is necessary to have a discussion like so:
“I see you are falling in love with me – what should we do?”
“I don’t know.”
“We can’t afford for feelings to get in the way. We must stop seeing each other, with each of us being fully permitted to see others.”
If she says, “I don’t want to leave you,” we must stay true to ourselves and lay things out straight. “I want you to go now and never call, write or text me again.”Unfortunately, a reality check like this may be taken badly, despite upfront agreement about the nature of the relationship. She may respond in a hostile or vindictive manner, and lash out with anger and irrationality. Should things take a turn for the worse, all we can do is contact authorities and try to protect ourselves.
Conclusion
As males, we are born with certain instincts and desires. Consequently, most of us find that the urge for sexual satisfaction becomes more pronounced as we grow older. But that does not mean we have to abandon our souls in exchange for an orgasm. Following the MGTOW mantra, we must take control of our sexual destiny and not let ourselves become trapped. Only then will we be empowered and ready to be our best.
About the author
Tim Patten is the author of MGTOW: Building Wealth and Power, a handy investment guide, and MGTOW: Why I Cheat, a collection of campfire stories for men. His latest book Masculinity Is Our Future is available also in audio format. He has devoted his life’s work to celebrating masculinity and is active in the men’s liberation phenomenon
Too negative.
According to this, men are sex-crazed morons.

Anonymous3I see this discussion as a very mechanical view of sex.
It just happens that, for me, sex is an expression of emotions.
In my marriage the pain for the lack of sex confused me. I searched for years or an explanation. I finally concluded that my vision of sex was of a generous offer of pleasure to the other, based on the love I had.
That explained my need for my wife to appreciate sex, if she didn’t I was failing.But worst, if my wife didn’t reciprocate it would hurt a lot. Why?
Talk about ignoring the obvious… Because you DONT WANT TO SEE. Because of the implications to your life.
Obviously it hurt because, under my vision of sex, my wife not reciprocating meant that SHE DID NOT LOVE ME!
The red pill came after learning this lesson, and just confirmed that women dont love men.
As everything else regarding gender, this society manages to confuse again the nature of men and women. Men are supposed to be the animalistic ones, and women are all about feelings.
But the truth is that men are the emotional ones, and women are purely functional. To women sex is a tool. To men is an expression of feelings.
Women talk about feelings, while men ACT on them. But talking is cheap and riddled with deception, physical contact is honest, transparent and direct.
“All men are dogs!” many women scream,
All women are bitches.
Meh.
Sex is the cookie a man MAY get if he is a good lil monkey for “princess”. A cookie that she can and will demand back at any given time for any reason that suits her, and it still costs a man more than “just” good/decent behaviour.
Sex is the only “real” bargaining chip each and every woman has bet with, and she “cant” lose on that bet.
Regardless of gender or sexuality, once an individual looks at the assets (what they personally bring to the table), compared to what the other brings, sex actually becomes a very minor point. If sex is the paramount point of the relationship the man (which ever “partner” is deemed the masculine lead) with the most assets loses. Each and every time without fail.
“All Men are dogs”. Ok but remember women scream they are just as good a men. (Sidecars point exactly).As for “incel”..
Come on Tim, who is holding a weapon the these “peoples” heads and forcing them to NOT have sex. Seriously?
I can go out right now and find some woman to have sex with for a frikkin hamburger. I dont because I have standards for myself.
I also gave up “dating” women who do not have assets (education/financial/morals/ethics/standards/etc) equal to mine at minimum 20 years ago. Hypergamy and phoniness can go diddle itself.
Does that make me an “incel”? Nobody is “forcing” me to NOT have sex, I am selective about who I “enjoy sex” with.There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
Everything Grumpy and Sidecar said.
Sex is almost never worth the price we as men are expected to pay for it.
And that is why “incels” exist–they are men who refuse to pay market price for a spoiled commodity, they haven’t learned to internally validate and are obsessed with what women think of them.
Sex is a distraction. It exists to control men and ensure the survival of the species, but real men define their own purpose.
Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805Everything Grumpy and Sidecar said.
Sex is almost never worth the price we as men are expected to pay for it.
And that is why “incels” exist–they are men who refuse to pay market price for a spoiled commodity, they haven’t learned to internally validate and are obsessed with what women think of them.
Sex is a distraction. It exists to control men and ensure the survival of the species, but real men define their own purpose.Absolutely spot on, sex is best at the start as the woman is still trying her best to pursuade you that it is so good you should have a relationship with her. Of course this is because she has her eye on the bigger prize be that the big house/SUV/Kids or giving up work and being looked after.
Once she knows she has you hooked then sex is then used as a reward when you do something good or buy her something expensive. I am sure all married men can relate to almost having to beg the woman for sex as she is “too tired”, “too stressed” or “can’t just turn it on you know” before she gives a bored hand job just to shut you up. It eventually gets to the point that the man can’t even be bothered asking for sex anymore and before you know it months have gone by.
After a few years of marriage people are rarely having sex so think of all the s~~~ married men have to put up with to keep cupcake happy and still not have sex with them. When they finally get divorced and lose everything I bet if you worked out how much it cost per time you had sex it would be at least $1k per time.
For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
Once she knows she has you hooked then sex is then used as a reward when you do something good or buy her something expensive.
Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power.
After about 20, women don’t have sex with men just for pleasure. There is always an angle and something to gain.
Ironically, men are so obsessed with pleasing women that even sex is about their gratification and not our own. All those feel good chemicals we get from an orgasm, we want to share and have her experience–except she can’t. That’s not how women experience sex.
Tiresias was right when he said women get more out of sex than men do.
Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805Too negative.
According to this, men are sex-crazed morons.
I see what you say, and have changed it to be more positive on MGTOW men
I see this discussion as a very mechanical view of sex.
It just happens that, for me, sex is an expression of emotions.
Thank you for this and your feedback. Cheers
Meh.
Sex is the cookie a man MAY get if he is a good lil monkey for “princess”. A cookie that she can and will demand back at any given time for any reason that suits her, and it still costs a man more than “just” good/decent behaviour.
Sex is the only “real” bargaining chip each and every woman has bet with, and she “cant” lose on that bet.
Regardless of gender or sexuality, once an individual looks at the assets (what they personally bring to the table), compared to what the other brings, sex actually becomes a very minor point. If sex is the paramount point of the relationship the man (which ever “partner” is deemed the masculine lead) with the most assets loses. Each and every time without fail.
“All Men are dogs”. Ok but remember women scream they are just as good a men. (Sidecars point exactly).As for “incel”..
I totally agree! Cheers
Absolutely spot on, sex is best at the start as the woman is still trying her best to pursuade you that it is so good you should have a relationship with her. Of course this is because she has her eye on the bigger prize be that the big house/SUV/Kids or giving up work and being looked after.
Agree! And I made a small change to reflect this in the article.
Sex with me involves whips and chains and NO women. Ever. Not even women with penises. Ew!!
I’m the Mac to your Windows when it comes to sex. And every day I find a new reason to say it once again: THANK GOD I’M GAY
Absolutely spot on, sex is best at the start as the woman is still trying her best to pursuade you that it is so good you should have a relationship with her. Of course this is because she has her eye on the bigger prize be that the big house/SUV/Kids or giving up work and being looked after.
Once she knows she has you hooked then sex is then used as a reward when you do something good or buy her something expensive. I am sure all married men can relate to almost having to beg the woman for sex as she is “too tired”, “too stressed” or “can’t just turn it on you know” before she gives a bored hand job just to shut you up. It eventually gets to the point that the man can’t even be bothered asking for sex anymore and before you know it months have gone by.
After a few years of marriage people are rarely having sex so think of all the s~~~ married men have to put up with to keep cupcake happy and still not have sex with them. When they finally get divorced and lose everything I bet if you worked out how much it cost per time you had sex it would be at least $1k per time.
Funny isn’t it? Sex starts out as the carrot and ends up as the stick. It goes from what a man thinks is two people loving each other and expressing their love physically. Then the frog enters the pot. And slowly the temperature is increased. Meaning that she starts withholding sex for various reasons and turns you into a dog performing tricks to get a reward. And every time you perform the trick, then that trick no longer works and the next trick gets more difficult. The heat keeps getting turned up.
Then at some point after you’ve performed the marriage trick, you realized that you’ve been tricked. And the only way out is an expensive divorce. The carrot has become the stick.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled off is getting people to believe he doesn’t exist, and the greatest trick a woman can ever pull of is convincing a guy that she’s not like other women.
Order the good wine
A few disagreements but Im glad youre expressing yourself again, and Im glad youre still writing.
My main take away is this. You wrote a PUA article bro. Your entire approach is that Sex is Recreation and men should just take a stroll through the vagina amusement park totally indifferent to emotions or intimacy. Not only is that PUA to the core but its ignorant of the situation between modern males and females.
Aside from those men who are “involuntary celibates”
There are no incels. Unless you’re prepared for a huge discussion about SMV, sexual psychology, sexual dimorphism and the effects of modernity on animals like us… dont even use that derogatory, MADE UP term (incel). Its a bunk term being pedaled to hide women’s depreciated SMV and promiscuous behavior.
MGTOW members strongly recommend
We must be careful in giving perceived motives to MGTOW. Mgtow are an empty chair. They have no recommendation for anyone.

The situation is this: the top 20% of males are having sex with 80% of females. This means 80% of males are either sexless or barely getting any physical intimacy at all. Think about that. Most women are getting sex on demand while most men (80%+) are literally going without sex for years on end. Dating App culture was not the sole cause, but the last 10 years of smart phone Love Apps have exacerbated the problem drastically! Its clear now that there will be a massive generational gap larger than what was already in store for us before. Dating App swipe left syndrome amplifies women’s innate hypergamic instincts. It corners the sexual marketplace so that couplings that otherwise would have produced progeny end up not occurring at all
Men’s Sexual Marketplace Value is backloaded while Women’s Sexual Marketplance Value is Frontloaded. You need to understand what this looks like on a mass scale and why its paramount that women arent encouraged (the way they currently are) to carelessly use their one major asset up and never select a reasonable mate before its too late.
I sound like Im making a TradCon argument but this is where MGTOW and Tradcons diverge. Tradcons think we can just ‘promote values’ and these societal ills will recede. They wont. Legislature and popculture promotes female promiscuity and irresponsibility. They have given too much power, money and privilege to women. Enter the MRAs (Mens Rights Activists). If the MRAs could actually get stuff done, actually get legislature changed, then some of the DOOM we’re headed for could be remedied.
This isnt political opinion. We’re talking about biological statistics about the human species. A MASSIVE gap in the birthrate will have a ripple on all stats. GDP will stagger and worse. Its coming. A STALL has occurred. Whats alarming is that more people are not talking about this objectively. Its sort of gets mentioned but its all buried by the Fake News MSM.
But alas, none of that matters to the individual MGHOW. Getting laid in general is also not a matter that the MGHOW is concerned with. Its more like you seem to be backpedaling on MGTOW and imagining that some twilight zone exists where men like us and women can have no strings attached sex. That is a delusion and says that youre either misinformed about whats going on or that you dont want to believe it.
society manages to confuse again the nature of men and women. Men are supposed to be the animalistic ones, and women are all about feelings.
But the truth is that men are the emotional ones, and women are purely functional. To women sex is a tool. To men is an expression of feelings.
nice insight
As for “incel”..
Come on Tim,Exactly. I will never stop attacking the ridiculousness of that term. Its a bait n switch
It just happens that, for me, sex is an expression of emotions.
Hell yes Tim. I agree. Sex is a sacred joining between two emotional beings, not a sport or hygienic service call.
Blame Feminism for turning sex into porn…Sex starts out as the carrot and ends up as the stick. It goes from what a man thinks is two people loving each other and expressing their love physically. Then the frog enters the pot. And slowly the temperature is increased. Meaning that she starts withholding sex for various reasons and turns you into a dog performing tricks to get a reward. And every time you perform the trick, then that trick no longer works and the next trick gets more difficult. The heat keeps getting turned up.
Then at some point after you’ve performed the marriage trick, you realized that you’ve been tricked. And the only way out is an expensive divorce. The carrot has become the stick.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled off is getting people to believe he doesn’t exist, and the greatest trick a woman can ever pull of is convincing a guy that she’s not like other women.
thats fvcking brilliant… sh!t Tim, just publish that! LOL
As long as human reproduction, (babies) is left up to grassroots human coupling, then legislation and policy needs to respect those biological processes, or human reproduction will dry up and grind to a halt. This means that phenomena like Dating Apps and State Mandated Child Support, which both disrupt the natural process of human reproduction, need to be outlawed.
If they dont want to outlaw them, THATS FINE. But you might want to have ancillary plan for creating a new generation of taxpayers. Enter gov run Surrogacy. An entire new branch of the government where females are paid to reproduce.
Enter gov run Surrogacy. An entire new branch of the government where females are paid to reproduce.
Because that will totally work.
Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805At 18 years old a man signs up for the draft and also at 18, women sign up for surrogacy duty and if she is chosen, she will enlist to the surrogacy regiment where she will be artificially inseminated carry full term nurse through key developmental months and then be discharged from surrogacy duty. The 18 month old baby will then be raised in the conditioning center, I think that is what Huxley called me for forward sake just keep calm and pop a gram of Soma
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