Lord have mercy, ametuer astronomer records something coming at us: Nibiru?

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X11 is just been a wet c~~~ . F~~~in dripper

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

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I know, for a fact, when the world will end…..for me.

WHEN I DIE…..

Preparing for this certainty is much more valid than the uncertainty when this planet will cease to exist. Based on the evidence of paleontology, this world will not end for many thousands of years. Jesus will not return for thousands of years in my humble opinion.

God bless, Michael

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X11 wrote:

So confusing Christians accusing Christians of not being Christians.

I hear ya, but it’s more confusing on the outside than it is on the inside.

Here’s the simplest way I can put it. The word “Christian” means “follower of Christ.” Therefore, real Christians believe the Bible is the word of God. If you don’t believe in the teachings of the Bible, it doesn’t make sense to call yourself a Christian.

There are a huge number of Biblical teachings that support MGTOW. I can give you some if you’re really interested, but even a quick internet search will yield many results. Needless to say, the vast majority of people calling themselves “Christians” don’t believe any of those teachings (such as the one about wives being obedient to their husbands). In other words, they don’t actually believe the Bible is the word of God. So does it make sense to call them Christians?

Now this difference may hold no meaning to non-believers. No doubt you think I’m just as deluded and brainwashed as any other person calling himself a Christian. That’s fine, I have no f~~~s to give. But it’s simply wrong to say “Christians believe X” when the truth is that those of us who actually believe the Bible is the word of God (and therefore can reasonably call ourselves Christians) likely DON’T believe X.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

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Thanks for honest answer.

Christians have slaughtered more Christians than any other religion has done to itself. The early days of Christianity were particularly brutal if you were in the wrong sect.

Today we have tens of thousands of different denominations all believing they are the right ones.

Chances you got it right?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

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Don’t come crying to us bro when satan is shoving his spiny c~~~ up your arse . Enjoy bro

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

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blade wrote:

Don’t come crying to us bro when satan is shoving his spiny c~~~ up your arse . Enjoy bro

Great argument, settles all the big questions.

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X11 wrote:

Today we have tens of thousands of different denominations all believing they are the right ones.

Chances you got it right?

I leave nothing to chance, brother. There are thousands of views about pretty much everything in this world, but in all things there is only one right answer. There are unlimited answers to the problem 2 + 2, but only one of them is right, and when you know the right answer, there’s no need to give a f~~~ about the others.

I don’t think the differences among various denominations can possibly hold much meaning for a non-Christian. I don’t fully understand the differences among various sects of Muslims, and though an expert could explain it to me, the differences would seem quite meaningless since I am not a Muslim and therefore don’t really care.

Now, I could be mistaken (and no offense is intended), but I suspect you’re not particularly interested in a long explanation about what the Bible actually teaches versus what most so-called “Christians” falsely believe, and I don’t want to type a wall of text that you don’t want to read. If I’m wrong about that, let me know and I’ll be happy to elaborate. Suffice it to say that if you actually read the Bible (which I obviously recommend), you may be surprised to see how vastly different its teachings are from what the “Christians” you’ve encountered in your life believe.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

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I’m am not interested in bible 101, despite the stereotypes a dam lot of atheists know the bible much better than my guess most Christians. There is a simple explanation to why so many atheists have such great knowledge of scripture and it’s history.

What I would like to know from you is;

1. What denomination are you, assuming you have one.

2. How do you know you are right and say the Jehovah Witness, Mormon, Jew, Muslim ….etc is wrong.

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X11 wrote:

I’m am not interested in bible 101, despite the stereotypes a dam lot of atheists know the bible much better than my guess most Christians.

As far as most Christians not knowing the Bible well, we’re in complete agreement. As far as atheists knowing the Bible, it varies quite a bit in my experience. I’ve debated those who have never touched it and those who have nearly read it cover to cover (they usually skip Numbers, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Chronicles, and I can’t say I blame them much).

As for those questions, I can’t see that my beliefs about why I’m right versus other Christians can be that important to you. You being a non-believer, wouldn’t a more logical starting point be why I believe in God/religion in the first place? If you don’t believe in any God whatsoever, why does it matter that I believe God is a Trinity while Muslims believe he is not? That I believe Jesus was the son of God and Jews do not? If there is no God, none of it really matters, does it?

Nevertheless, I said I would elaborate if you wanted, and I am a man of my word. I’ll post this now to let you know that I read your post and I’m working on my response, but it may take a while to type.

EDIT: Reading over my previous post, I realize that my phrase “if you actually read the Bible” may have been misconstrued as some sort of personal attack. It was not intended that way, nor was I suggesting that you haven’t read it. The “you” was meant to be taken as a general “you.” My point was simply that the Bible teaches many things that would surprise most people, who receive their impressions of its teachings from people who (surprise) haven’t read it themselves.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

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Tbh I have exhausted myself on WHY people believe. I doubt you have anything new but I will respectfully listen if you feel you need to share.

It is very important to me why you think you are right and the other guy is wrong and how much certainty you have.

As far as why its important to a non believer, because beliefs impact majorly on public policy.

We I believe are right now battling for a theocracy of either Islam or Christianity.

That is, does, will effect everything on the planet.

A US politician who does not profess belief in god is basically unthinkable. So ya, god belief does affect non believers and their lives.

Lastly if you are right then I will change my views to align with reality because that’s what I do.

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X11 wrote:

Tbh I have exhausted myself on WHY people believe. I doubt you have anything new but I will respectfully listen if you feel you need to share.

Haha, I wrote my whole post and then I read THIS. I don’t feel any need to share; I just felt it was only fair for me to answer your question. As stated in my intro, I didn’t join MGTOW to evangelize. I’ve never converted anyone in my life, and I’m not expecting to anytime soon. But now that it’s written, I’m not letting all that work go to waste. You’re probably right: I bet it’s nothing new to you. But I’m keeping my word.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

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The answer to your first question is easy: I’m a Roman Catholic. I can already hear the groans of disgust, and I don’t blame you. Our pope is a f~~~ing feminist Marxist nutcase, many of our priests are child abusers, many of our officials are criminals, and our history is littered with scandals and corruption. However, I will state again that it’s a composition fallacy to assume I endorse child abuse, feminism, and corruption just because other members of my religion happen to behind closed doors. So why am I a Catholic, especially with so many other religions to choose from?

I mentioned my “denomination” (though Catholicism isn’t really a denomination) to give you a quick answer to your first question, but now I’m going to take a step back so I can approach the second question in a logical order.

The first step is the existence of God. There are lots of good reasons to believe in God, ranging from the intelligent design of the universe, to our natural instinct to believe in a higher power, and even to miracles (the weakest, but still plausible argument for God’s existence). However, all those things can be explained in different (albeit less reasonable) ways, and, as I said before, I leave nothing to chance.

Having thoroughly examined the writings of the great philosophers and thinkers of history, I reached the conclusion that God’s existence is demonstrable (i.e. provable) as surely as 2 + 2 = 4. There are a massive number of extremely intelligent people who believed this and even wrote proofs of God’s existence, including Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, Anselm, Augustine, and even Descartes (not joking about this, you can easily fact check me on any encyclopedia of philosophy). If you are really interested in the proof, here’s a link to my post where I make the argument for God’s existence, using the writings of these great thinkers as my basis: PROOF HERE

Now convinced that there is a God who possesses all the properties ascribed to him, such as infinite power, wisdom, goodness, and love (all contained in the proof above), my next question is: what implications does the existence of this being have on our lives? If a supremely intelligent being created me and everyone else, he did so for a reason. But how can we know this reason unless he communicates it to us? How can we know our purpose when God is so far beyond the reach of our intellect that we would not even be able to comprehend his words if he spoke to us? It is reasonable, in fact necessary, that a being of infinite goodness would communicate our purpose to us. This is the path to religion. However, every religion has different teachings, and, like all the questions in life, there is only one right answer.

Since a good God would communicate his purpose to his creatures, the only religions worthy of consideration are those which claim divine revelation as their source. A man-made religion, while not necessarily nonsense, cannot contain the full truth. Most religions throughout history were created by men, who understood that God exists, but knew nothing about him, and therefore worshiped him in the best way they could. If that were the best we could hope for, then so be it. God doesn’t ask for more than our best, but he’s also not satisfied with anything less. Therefore, we must always keep looking.

Narrowing our search to religions that claim revelation as their source and worship only ONE God (again, a necessary conclusion of the above proof), we come to Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. The Jews believed in God because, as is written in the Old Testament, he was very active in their history. It’s kind of hard not to believe when you see the Red Sea part before your eyes or bread falling from heaven. But did these things really happen? If the Old Testament is true, there should be some way for us to know it. The answer lies in the prophecies of the Redeemer/Messiah/Christ. The prophecies which ACTUALLY CAME TRUE to the very letter, from his birth place, to his ministry, to his teachings, to his death, and, finally, to the fact that he was the Son of God.

This brings us to the New Testament and, more specifically, to the person of Christ. I won’t spend much time on the topic of whether Jesus actually existed or not. In my experience, those who claim Jesus wasn’t real typically have an agenda. The evidence is not in their favor. To deny the existence of Jesus (despite numerous writings about him), you would also have to deny the existence of his followers and of St. Paul (whose many letters have survived to this day in the New Testament), as well as offer an explanation of the rapid growth amidst persecution and martyrdom of a religion founded by a man who somehow never existed at all. I believe Jesus existed because it is reasonable to do so. We have more written records of Jesus than we do of many other famous historical figures (early kings and emperors), but no one denies THEIR existence because there is nothing at stake.

Moving back to Jesus, is it reasonable to believe he really was the Son of God? Yes, for several reasons. First, as you may know from reading the Bible, he fulfilled prophecies written about him hundreds (even thousands) of years before he was born. Second, his teachings actually match what any reasonable person would expect from a GOOD God. Not “slaughter the infidels and rape their women,” but “love your neighbor as yourself” and “do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Third, his actions and teachings make literally zero sense if he wasn’t who he claimed to be.

As C. S. Lewis put it, Jesus was a lunatic, a liar, or the Lord. If he was a lunatic, you can’t reasonably account for his ridiculous intelligence (proof of which can easily be found in his debates with the Pharisees and scribes, wherein he not only offers rebuttals worthy of Socrates, but even answers their questions with parables that teach profound truths with such utter simplicity). Jesus was able to enunciate with a few words teachings that philosophers have written treatises on without matching his insight and eloquence. If he was a liar, then he would have no reason to insist all the way through an extraordinarily painful death that he was the Son of God. Even to the end, he could have avoided his Crucifixion simply by answering “no” when the chief priest asked if he was the son of God. With full knowledge of what was in store for him, he continued to maintain that he really was the son of God. That leaves us with the most reasonable option: that he really was who he says he was, namely, the Son of God: the Redeemer of mankind.

Therefore, it is reasonable to look to the teachings of Jesus in order to learn what our purpose is. Among those teachings, which are familiar to most people, is the statement to Peter: “You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.” This is the moment when Christ founded the Christian religion. He founded it on Peter because Peter was the head of that Church. When Peter died, he was succeeded by a second pope, and then a third, and then a fourth, and the current pope is his successor, the 266th pope of the Church of Christ (yes, we know every single pope all the way back to Peter).

At its founding, this Church was not called the Catholic Church, and the religion was not called Catholicism: it was simply Christianity. With the arrival of new denominations, it became necessary for us to have our own name to distinguish us from other sects. That’s why I say Catholicism is not really a denomination: it’s the only “variant” of Christianity that traces its founding all the way back to Christ. Every other denomination can trace its founding to a man (e.g., Lutherans to Luther, Calvinists to Calvin) or simply to a movement, but not back to the very words of Christ himself.

So what’s up with all the corruption in the Catholic Church? Simply put, the Church is made up of humans, and humans are not perfect. In fact, most of us are downright evil. If anything, the fact that the Catholic Church still exists after so long and after so many wars and persecutions is itself quite surprising. But there’s nothing I can do if our pope is f~~~ed in the head. The Israelites in the Old Testament also had bad leaders, and that was generally the result of the Israelites following a general trend of disobedience. The fact that we currently have such a rotten pope is likely a punishment for the general unfaithfulness of Catholics. We Catholics have been doing a s~~~ job of practicing what we preach and living according to Christ’s teachings, so it’s no surprise that we’re being punished with a leader who gives us a bad name and violates everything we hold sacred. Not much I can do about that except pray for better times, but I’m not going to stop believing in Christ’s teachings just because the majority of his so-called followers are corrupt.

All the other Christian denominations have teachings that are different from Catholicism. These are quite easy to find on the internet, though I’ll share any that you’re interested in discussing. Suffice it to say that I trust the Church that Christ himself founded more than I trust a denomination founded by a mere man or a movement, but, more importantly, I do not agree with the ways in which they diverge from Catholic teachings because I don’t think their beliefs are supported by the Bible. I don’t know what denominations my fellow Christian MGTOW are from, and, frankly, I don’t particularly care. Our differences are minute compared to our shared beliefs, and I suspect I have more in common with people like MGTOW Knight and Red Pill Bible than I do with some random Catholic in the street, who’s probably never read the Bible and wouldn’t agree with its teachings even if he did. There are major divisions even within the Catholic Church, but I think (or at least hope) that I’ve said enough.

Sorry the post is so long, but I felt if I was going to answer your question, I should at least do it full justice. I hope I explained myself clearly enough, and I’m happy to answer more questions if you want. I’d also be interested to hear about YOUR beliefs and why you hold them. Doesn’t hurt to get to know each other a little better.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

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Couple things first up. Nearly every Christian other than Catholic think the Catholics are not Christians.

My guess most evangelical protestants think Catholicism is satanic.

Second you talk about Jews, the OT, and all the prophecy re Jesus coming, crucify, resurrection etc as proof. You didn’t mention those same people, God’s own people the Jews, do not share your belief. You included them in your evidence where you know they reject Jesus as Messiah, were you being sloppy or deceitful.

Lastly none of your philosophical proofs count as evidence, they are just neat word tricks, more damaging for you they can be used to support all and any God. Does not move you one step closer to your god.

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X11 wrote:

Couple things first up. Nearly every Christian other than Catholic think the Catholics are not Christians.

My guess most evangelical protestants think Catholicism is satanic.

No doubt. That hardly concerns me.

X11 wrote:

were you being sloppy or deceitful.

It hardly seems fair to accuse me of sloppiness here. Even to this day I’m still learning and discovering new things about Catholicism and the Bible. How could I possibly contain the entire argument for my religion, down to the very last detail, in an online forum post? As for being deceitful, what on earth would I have to gain from that? You make it sound like I’m trying to fool you. I’m being entirely honest about why I believe what I believe. If you really think I’m lying, no point in engaging me any further, right?

To answer your question, many of the Jews DID believe that Jesus was the Messiah. What religion do you think the apostles practiced before they met Jesus? Christianity is simply the fulfillment of the prophecies of Judaism. All Christians believe in both the Old and New Testaments. Catholics are no different from others in this regard. We all believe Christ fulfilled the prophecies of the Old Testament, while modern day Jews are still waiting for the Messiah.

X11 wrote:

Lastly none of your philosophical proofs count as evidence, they are just neat word tricks, more damaging for you they can be used to support all and any God.

I’m perfectly willing to debate this point. Where does the fallacy lie? Which premise is faulty? And no, it cannot be used to support any God, only one who is all good, all powerful, and, most importantly ONE. That limits things pretty fast.

X11 wrote:

Does not move you one step closer to your god.

That’s between him and me.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

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The Jew’s God’s own special people looked at the Jesus thing every which way and have an entire body of work to justify that Jesus is not the messiah.

The Jew Paul/Saul got a following because he offered a more permissive religion with more fun/less rules.

In a nutshell Christianity is Saul/Paul.

Note Saul never met Jesus, his recount is the most fantastic and creative. The earlier writers closer to Jesus are much less tripping the light fantastic.

No sorry all your “proofs” generally fail for the same reason. You have assumed the conclusion in your premise ie;

“it cannot be used to support any God, only one who is all good, all powerful”

There is your fallacy, you have assumed your main premise is true but have not demonstrated it to be true. your argument is invalid.

Geez never saw any of this coming.

Regards that evangelical protestants think Catholicism is satanic

“No doubt. That hardly concerns me.”

Should concern you if you are interested in truth, for all I know they may be right. Argue against them.

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Hey. I’m a prepper here. Have a good chunk of problems covered by my prep’s and how I live. However. If it was announced that a asteroid the size of Texas was going to hit earth, I would find out where it was going to hit, go camping there (if possible) and a minute or so before it hits I would drop trousers, bend over, spread cheeks and tell that mo-fo asteroid to kiss my hemorrhoids.

Then turn into plasma.

There are things you can work with and things that are simply beyond our abilities. Might as well enjoy the ride on this merry go round because there is no getting out of it alive.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

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All life will eventually die, all stars will eventually dim and die, the universe itself will eventually suffer its own heat death.

Thinking too much about it won’t do you any good, live the here and now and hope that one day a man will do something that will manage to echo in the universe long enough for someone else to here before the universe itself dies.

The greatest sin of all will be humanity going extinct without leaving a mark for someone else to find and know that we were once alive.

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