Local UK event write-up – Is there a Crisis in Masculinity

[QuietlyquietlyParticipant 728]

Hi guys,

Been a while since I logged in, been pretty busy.

I recently went to a Philosophy in Pubs meeting, the title of which was “Is there a Crisis in Masculinity?”

I was naturally interested, and decided to attend, thinking that it would be almost exclusively men. How wrong I was! About 40 people, evenly split amongst men and women. The compere introduced the topic, and gave his anecdote about having asked all his associates this title question, to gauge their response. He said that almost all of them said yes, there was a crisis, but no one was talking about it. So he gave a few intro leads as to why this might be, some of which stuck in my throat (feminism not reaching men, etc.), and then asked us to group around tables to discuss for 45 mins. He did a quick straw-poll of the participants to see how many agreed (with no discussion or definition) that there was a crisis in masculinity. This blew me away –

less than 50% of the men thought there was.
more than 90% of the women thought there was.

I found myself on a table where I was the only man, with 2 lesbians, and 3 hetero women. It was fun to hear their opinions about patriarchy and feminism, and then gently remind them that the studies and evidence actually showed that women were just as bad as men, and then hear them agree with me! HAHA!

Specifically – in the introduction, another anecdote from the compere was his observations of men’s competitive behaviour, in his domain in the swimming lanes. He observed lots of Alpha tricks going on, and when a woman entered the lane, she quickly left again, as she couldn’t stand the games. The women around my table latched onto this as evidence that men couldn’t just be nice to each other. I reminded them that women compete every Saturday night, to which they all nodded sagely, and told me (as if in secret) that every single one of them competes to get the most compliments, but whoever wins is hated by everyone else. One of the women openly stated that “getting dressed up and going out” was all about HER, and no one else. The others nodded. Without a hint of shame, they told me that dressing up was an entirely self-centred event, designed to extract compliments out of friends and strangers. The women went on to say that they had had personal experiences of being in female-only workplaces, and how bitchy that was, but when a man entered, they all completely changed and fawned over him, competing for attention.

Point proven.

Next we discussed Domestic Violence, which of course they had particular views on. Unfortunately for them, being a man, and a DV survivor, I trumped all their inbuilt victim-status programming (due to the event being about MEN), and they had to listen to what I said (no victim-shaming, remember!). When I pointed out that research had showed that if women were given excess estrogen, the same proportion of them got violent, as men given excess testosterone, and how that explained why DV rates were identical, and also explained why a proportion of women found the estrogen-only contraceptive pill problematic, they all nodded sagely again!

Another point proven.

The two lesbians had decided that the reason that there was a crisis in masculinity was that women had been “liberated” by feminism, and could show “masculine” traits, but men had not been liberated, and did not feel free to show “feminine” traits. I carefully countered their argument, by showing that although women say that they want men to show their feelings, what men have found is that women are instantly turned off when they do! So men know that they don’t get laid if they show their feelings, and thus are never going to be “touched by feminism”. There was general nodding of agreement.

45 minutes is not enough time to discuss all issues we face, and even though there were at least 6 different groups within the room, collectively we still missed stuff. Other tables covered suicides, homelessness, education, lack of support centres, and many other things.

We concluded that there most definitely is a Crisis in Masculinity, but no one knows how to deal with it. The general population seem to know it’s there (women especially), but no one is talking about it, and no one knows what to do.

Currently it is dangerous to be a man.

Stay safe, my brothers!

Quietly.

[sidecarParticipant 35860]

Quietlyquietly wrote:

We concluded that there most definitely is a Crisis in Masculinity, but no one knows how to deal with it. The general population seem to know it’s there (women especially), but no one is talking about it, and no one knows what to do.

MGTOW know what to do. You might have wanted to mention that, for the entertainment value if for nothing else.

[Anonymous 42]

My thought-ball is rolling right behind sidecar’s! We know what to do; RUN!

[QuietlyquietlyParticipant 728]

sidecar wrote:

MGTOW know what to do. You might have wanted to mention that, for the entertainment value if for nothing else.

Actually, Roosh was mentioned at the beginning, with vehemence. It was typical feminist/mangina/SJW emoting, so when his name arose on my table, I pointed out that if they had actually READ the website, they would have concluded that Roosh has a sense of humour, and had designed his articles towards an intelligent reader. Clearly anyone who didn’t think that way, either hadn’t read his website themselves (no one had), didn’t have a sense of humour (again, questionable), or wasn’t in any way intelligent (we were in Oxford, UK, which is home to one of the world’s greatest Universities, so no one was going to allow that one).

I wasn’t feeling up to arguing, I was making very good progress opening their minds to the idea that feminism wasn’t all they thought it was. Baby steps with these SJWs.

But yeah, I stick with both of you – keep well out of the way of women is the best advice. I reckon I could have actually got the women to agree with me on that, had I had more time…… they were pretty clued up about how dreadful women are in general, and through careful controlling of the conversation (they didn’t know I was doing that!), I was picking and choosing topics to “win” on. There’s an art to this stuff, and quietlyquietly is the way I find easiest.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

It seems like you proved that there is a crisis for those who seek to use masculinity. You and the brothers above have already pointed out what even some of the smarter blue pills have figured out. It’s better to not offer your masculinity to any woman.

Feminism gave them the illusion of the power to do anything that men can do. Let them be their own “real men” while men just do what best serves their interests.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

It’s society that has a problem with masculinity, rather than men having the problem with masculinity.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[Dr. SableParticipant 1064]

@ Quietlyquietly. Very good post mate. What really intrigues me is why two men hating lesbo c~~~s would attend a meeting like that. I wonder if they expected a larger crowd in order to make a scene but it back fired on them so they had to keep the cake holes shut.

Just saying.

Zero Tolerance

[QuietlyquietlyParticipant 728]

Thanks, Dr. Sable.

I think that a number of the crowd were there simply because they follow the series of Philosophy in the Pub around, regardless of the topic each week. For example, I had a good chat with a guy next to me, before it all started, who had studied Philosophy when he was younger, and wanted to get back into it again, he particularly liked the philosophy of science. No idea about the lesbians, they didn’t seem like they were up for a fight, and quite honestly it surprised me how open they were about women being their own worst enemy. They kept on track with the topic (with a small amount of help from me…) and were generally very agreeable about the hardships that men face.

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

Is there a masculinity crisis? Trick question. It doesn’t matter. Going your own way is the solution. If there is a “masculinity crisis” then it will never be solved because of feminism. Enjoy the f~~~ing decline.

“The real answer to your question, Justin, is: who the f~~~ cares what it means to be a man. You are one. Roll your sleeves up and get to work.

That’s Man Zen.”
– Dick Masterson

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[MonkeyMindParticipant 5340]

I’ve seen this crop up a few times over the past couple of years and i think it’s because feminists are trying to counteract the Mannospehere/MRA/MGOTW’s/ TRP truths and gather up the sheep before the move on to greener pastures.

What they’re trying to do is only allow masculinity to exist within the watchful eyes of gynocentrism. Personally, i say f~~~ that, we all know that they only f~~~ chads that exist outside their sphere of influence and the real men in society are the ones who lead rather than follow.

The men who flock to them are often the most easily led by any man with an edge over them with TRP knowledge and it’s mainly because men who have taken the red pill aren’t burdened by giving a f~~~ about women’s first world problems.

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

Is there a masculinity crisis?

Interesting question.

Answer: it depends. Given that a lot of men are manginas, white knights, and blue pillers, then I would agree that there is a masculinity problem to the extent that these men are being beat up by our gynocentric society. All you can do is show these men the way if they are interested.

Within the smaller subset of MGTOW, it is my opinion that there is definitely not a masculinity crisis. We simply don’t care what these feminists think, want, or demand.

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