Lest we forget: Dick Masterson

[Anonymous 27]

Would just like to remind everyone, if anyone remembers all of the great laughs and truth spoken by Dick Masterson..one of the true MGTOW pioneers:

 

 

LONG LIVE MGTOW

[Anonymous 1]

Let me STRONGLY disagree to calling this guy a MGTOW. He is a tradcon, and in my view as BAD as the freaking feminists. Why? Because he gives women the pussy pass! This is the arguments tradcons use. “Women belongs in the kitchen”. While men belong slaving themselves? NO. Society MEN cannot allow women to be excused from their reponsabilities anymore. That s~~~ has to stop. This is the type of thing that I would expect from a PUA, a tradcon, hell, even a fricking FEMINIST (although disguised as “oppression”, while wanting the benefits of such “oppression”),  but not from a MGTOW.

Sorry dude, this guy is good for laughs, but if you take any of this s~~~ seriously, then I think one of us is on the wrong place.

I will wait for other posts before elaborating further (maybe I might be taking this too seriously).

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

Hes not MGTOW, hes a sexist. Hes funny only as a counterpart to feminazi hypocritical sexism. Not MGTOW, MGTOW is not about misogyny. =)

[Anonymous 27]

Ya bro great for laughs, and whether he is a sexist or not, he went his own way, and that’s all that matters. More, go read his book bro, before you go calling him a traditional conservative, he talks about 90 percent of posts you see here, like 5 years ago, so your statement is paradoxical in and of itself..I think we all know that we come from a more well rounded and intelligible angle(s)..his s~~~ was hilarious, and I wouldn’t go saying that he was a “nobody” because I remember MANY MANY poor guys that found a lot of great consolation on his site talking to one another, when there was no one else paying attention, so without the bold type, I am going to have to strongly disagree with you. Furthermore, going as far as to say one of us is in the wrong place is pretty f~~~ing ignorant bro, who are you to judge, you speak for you, not me. Also, in that line of thought, don’t EVER think that you get to define what MGTOW is, because you don’t, your one guy with your own ideas (I’ll respect that), and I am one guy with mine, so don’t try to push an agenda of what you think MGTOW is on me, it will be to me, while I go my own way, whatever I want it to be. I’ll leave it at that.

[Anonymous 1]

@Dolla_D

Let me ask you this then: do you think Manhood Academy is a Mgtow? From what I saw on this video Dick Masterson has a pretty similar view to what Manhood Academy’s? So, do you think Manhood Academy went his own way? After all he IS doing his own thing, isn’t he?

In fact, if you think Mgtow is an YOLO type of “philosophy”, then every men is a Mgtow, because every men’s action is taken by his own free will. Therefore, if we consider just “free will” as requirement to Mgtown, then EVERY men is a MGTOW. According to this definition, Manginas are mgtow, male feminists are mgtow, white knights are mgow. Aren’t they doing their own thing?

Mgtow is not just about “doing your own thing”, that’s YOLO. Mgtow is about taking an instance, of saying NO to gynocentrism. This “mentality” of “women’s place is on the kitchen” is detrimental to MEN. Because together with this line of thinking usually comes the “a real man puts a woman on her place” type of thing, and “if a woman screws you, its your fault for not handling her” (Dick actually says something on these lines on the video, when he says: “If a woman do something wrong, its your fault for not training her right”. Are you f~~~ing serious?)

So, although I will not define how YOU should live YOUR life, I will give my 2 cents about what MGTOW SHOULDN’T be, and this s~~~ AIN’T Mgtow. And its not because it is Misogynistic either (I couldn’t care less for that at this point), but because this line of thought actually hurts MEN, since it puts ALL RESPONSIBILITY on MEN’S shoulders and take out any ACCOUNTABILITY on WOMEN’S ACTIONS (After all, they are to dumb to know what they are doing, right?).

On top of that, I am not attacking YOU, I am attacking your ARGUMENT (or, on this case, the arguments you posted through the video). And I WILL judge others as thoroughly as I judge MYSELF. MGTOW is not a COP OUT for men to do whatever he wants and face no consequences or no criticism. The last thing I want is this becoming a freaking circle jerk. We are getting strong BECAUSE we criticize each other. We just do it through logic instead of EMOTION (which is how women seem to do). So, NO, I will not let this pass because you said so.

If you have anything to say regarding the POINTS I made, trying to defend this idea that CHAUVINISM is the f~~~ing way to go, by all means, GO FOR IT. But don’t try to shut the discussion because, PENIS. It doesn’t work that way. At least not with me.
This “Mgtow is you doing your own thing, regardless of what it is” is the Paul Elam’s type of Mgtow. I may be mistaken, but the last time I checked, MOST mgtows rejected that.

[Anonymous 27]

“Pass like I said so”..I didn’t say to pass at all. Further, “I will not have this turn into a circle jerk”, who are you to make such policing claims, discussing how you think all MGTOWs should be, act, and abide.

Next do I think manhood academy is MGTOW? I get the feeling that you see MGTOW as an entity in and of itself without taking in consideration what it means. In regard to the way in which a man decides to deal with his past experiences with woman, that is the MGHOW, man going his own way, and dealing with it in his own way, and this will be different for the diversity of men, with an eclectic blend of horrible experiences with woman, and may further deviate from some entity which you choose to attempt to put boundaries upon, based on where these men are in their lives.

More, I in all totality refuse these comments in every regard. I have been well into this area, including during Dick’s time, and the decade before that. I have been going my own way as a very successful, single professional for over a decade, I took the red pill long long ago my friend..and respectfully,  you will not dictate to me the way in which a MGTOW behaves or the beliefs you feel he should hold. Thus, I say that we shall need to respectfully agree to disagree, because I have not for a decade, nor will I ever see it your way.

Relatedly, you have your view and I have mine, which seemingly you have based solely on a video clip that was meant to remember, and for people to comment, although perhaps not extensively beyond their means..Dick, (his aka) is actually a very intelligent guy, with some good material and book..I do not agree with your philosophy of MGTOW, I never once said it was a cop out, you did. In fact you said many things in your rebuttal that I did not state once. More, you seem to write specific areas in bold and capitals to make them more noticeable to readers, to get specific points across, whether they have accuracy behind them or not, this is also disconcerting, nonetheless is out of the scope of our discussion.

Consequently, again, we will agree to disagree, you know my perspective, and you’re god damn right–as I did 5 years ago– I will always thank the comedy, satire, and eye opening reading Dick has set forth, and for bringing to the public eye many many issues, way beyond sexism and a traditional value set, which is what you are reducing it to, and at the same time are incorrect about one of the great pioneers, one that brought some serious, and blatant, issues, regardless if he did so in an intrusive, abrasive way, to the forefront. You have your opinion, I have mine, I do not accept yours whatsoever (but respect that it is yours), again however, you have no right whatsoever to define a Man Going His Own Way for anyone other than yourself.

[Anonymous 1]

First: No, I didn’t read his books, hence why I wrote “If you have anything to say regarding the POINTS I made, trying to defend this idea that CHAUVINISM is the f~~~ing way to go, by all means, GO FOR IT”.

Second:

Anonymous wrote:

“I will not have this turn into a circle jerk”, who are you to make such policing claims, discussing how you think all MGTOWs should be, act, and abide.

I stand on my position. Having a circle jerk or an echo Chamber is the worst thing that could happen to Mgtow and/or this website. Besides, SOME form of STANDARDS should (and as far as I know ARE) adopted by most of the members here. This is policing. The fact that is not EXPLICIT doesn’t mean it is not there, and it is not decided by ME, it’s decided BY the GROUP. Just look at superMGTOW, do you think “he” should have stayed then? For better or worse, “he” was also going his own way, looking at women as “property” and “inferior” and all that crap. And yet, it was not ME responsible for his BAN, it was the group. So implying that I am “tone policing” for exposing what I think are toxic ideas or to think that “everything goes” here just because we are all “going our own way” it is, as far as I can tell, not very clever.

Besides, you are misinterpreting what I said. If it is on purpose or not I cannot say. I am not dictating how “MGTOWs should be, act, and abide”.
What you do with your freaking life is your problem. I am questioning your interpretation of the MGTOW PHILOSOPHY. Is the Mgtow philosophy about OPPRESSING WOMEN, or FREEING MAN?  Is me who this dictating how other Mgtows should be? Or is this the agreement between those that claim themselves MGTOW? Some guidelines ARE NECESSARY. You CANNOT be a Feminist and a Anti-Feminist, for example, because one requires being opposed to the other. The same way, MGTOW DOES require certain actions regarding women, and some standards SHOULD be put in place. If not, than Mgtow becomes just an excuse for doing whatever you want, a cop out. Don’t you think this is detrimental to the community?

Third:

Anonymous wrote:

Next do I think manhood academy is MGTOW? I get the feeling that you see MGTOW as an entity in and of itself without taking in consideration what it means. In regard to the way in which a man decides to deal with his past experiences with woman, that is the MGHOW, man going his own way, and dealing with it in his own way, and this will be different for the diversity of men, with an eclectic blend of horrible experiences with woman, and may further deviate from some entity which you choose to attempt to put boundaries upon, based on where these men are in their lives.

You still didn’t answer my question. So every man is MGTOW then? Because every man decides the best way to deal with their personal problems (including the ones one have with women) in his own way. Again, MGTOW have certain guidelines and as such it does not encompass ALL TYPES of behavior. If so, like I said, maginas, male feminists, white knights, pussy beggars, they are all MGTOWs, right? I mean, they are all dealing with their problems regarding the female sex in their own way.

Fourth:

Anonymous wrote:

Relatedly, you have your view and I have mine, which seemingly you have based solely on a video clip that was meant to remember, and for people to comment, although perhaps not extensively beyond their means..Dick, (his aka) is actually a very intelligent guy, with some good material and book..I do not agree with your philosophy of MGTOW, I never once said it was a cop out, you did. In fact you said many things in your rebuttal that I did not state once. More, you seem to write specific areas in bold and capitals to make them more noticeable to readers, to get specific points across, whether they have accuracy behind them or not, this is also disconcerting, nonetheless is out of the scope of our discussion.

Are you kidding me? Relatedly, you have your view and I have mine, which seemingly you have based solely on a video clip that was meant to remember, and for people to comment, although perhaps not extensively beyond their means.

Which is exactly why I said, in my comment, this:

Anonymous wrote:

Sorry dude, this guy is good for laughs, but if you take any of this s~~~ seriously, then I think one of us is on the wrong place. I will wait for other posts before elaborating further (maybe I might be taking this too seriously).

Yes, if it is for comedy purposes, than the video actually provides a good laugh. In fact, I even admitted:  maybe I might be taking this too seriously

However, looking at your responses, it is becoming clear that you ACTUALLY think that way, which in the long run is disservice for men. This line of though is what took us to the rampant gynocentrism that we live today.

I do not agree with your philosophy of MGTOW, I never once said it was a cop out, you did. In fact you said many things in your rebuttal that I did not state once.

You didn’t say it, but considering YOUR line of though, that’s what MGTOW would lead to following your logic. In fact, many things I said on my rebuttal were from things said ON THE VIDEO YOU POSTED and/or conclusions I got from the line of logic THE VIDEO YOU POSTED proposed.  Its something called LOGIC and REASONING. And again, YOU DIDN’T even TRIED to correct me, if I was so wrong. Beside, it is not MY philosophy alone. This is something I gather from various sources, and as such I am open for criticism of ANYONE. In fact, if MGTOW becomes this thing you are proposing, then you can be sure I will stop supporting the label. The LAST thing I want is MGTOW to become this “parody” of the male nature that feminists love to portrait and, apparently you like to indulge.

More, you seem to write specific areas in bold and capitals to make them more noticeable to readers, to get specific points across, whether they have accuracy behind them or not, this is also disconcerting, nonetheless is out of the scope of our discussion.

This is MY STYLE of writing. Problem?!?

Final:

Anonymous wrote:

Consequently, again, we will agree to disagree, you know my perspective, and you’re god damn right–as I did 5 years ago– I will always thank the comedy, satire, and eye opening reading Dick has set forth, and for bringing to the public eye many many issues, way beyond sexism and a traditional value set, which is what you are reducing it to, and at the same time are incorrect about one of the great pioneers, one that brought some serious, and blatant, issues, regardless if he did so in an intrusive, abrasive way, to the forefront. You have your opinion, I have mine, I do not accept yours whatsoever (but respect that it is yours), again however, you have no right whatsoever to define a Man Going His Own Way for anyone other than yourself.

I am NOT criticizing any of these things: comedy, satire, and eye opening reading Dick has set forth.

What I AM CRITICIZING is this stupid idea that women are inferior and there is nothing they can do about it. Because, guess what, if that is true, then there is nothing they can do but to pass stupid laws like “yes mean yes”, or DEMAND MEN to help them, and be excluded form ANY GUILT or ACCOUNTABILITY from their s~~~ty decisions. And I REFUSE to agree with MEN taking responsibility for ANY of WOMEN’S DECISIONS. Which is, according to the video you posted, what Dick here is saying.

Again, like I said on my first comment, I will repeat, if this is to be taken as SATIRE, then fine, it is good for laughs. But if this is to be taken SERIOUSLY, then you are as much “mgtow” as supeMGTOW was.

Conclusion: As far as I can tell, you are a Manhood Academy disciple. The guy here is attacking women, sure, but in the end the message is the same: Women are s~~~ty and there is nothing they can do about it, so its up to MEN to train them. Which I call bulls~~~. If I am wrong, and anyone has any input on where and why I am wrong, then I would love to read about it. However, if this deflection is all you got, then I am through too.

Cheers

[Anonymous 27]

“I didn’t say it, but considering my line of logic”..your exaggerated deductive reasoning sums up your whole argument. In the end, we agree to disagree, at least I do, you on the other hand seem intent on having people pressed into following your expectations, which will not happen, don’t ever tell me or anyone else what a mgtow is, this site is but one component of living a mgtow lifestyle, don’t make it more than it is.

 

One more thing, again, you opened your rebuttal with yet another misleading inaccuracy. I never once stated chauvinism is the way to go. This is a fabricated point by you, based on ill-informed logical deduction, like your argument as a whole, not to mention it is fabricated with exemplified points that are exaggerated, not based on facts, but jump-to-conclusionary points, that you made up, and answered, both, all by yourself. Do not try to typify me with some other ban member based on your exaggerated assertions.

Alas, it has been a good argument.

LONG LIVE MGTOW

[Typhoon MkIbParticipant 9]

That dude feasts off attention – at least for the duration of that clip, possibly for the duration of his life.
He gets this attention for bashing women.
Just like a carpenter gets money for bashing nails – women are his life tools. he needs them.
a Man that needs women, a man who, without women and the bashing thereof would slip into anonymity and be completely forgotten…

what is such a man? i do not know.

but he is not MGTOW.

Nope…

simplez?

[Anonymous 27]

He does this clip as a satire piece to bring attention to the issues, he is a comedian in real life, and a well-educated guy. He writes well, guess I thought more people knew him, and that he was doing this for the comedy of woman’s responses..and it is pretty funny.

[Typhoon MkIbParticipant 9]

okay…
never heard of the man before.
did not LOL though as his humor is a bit on the agressive side.
But thank you for bringing this Dr.Pil to my attention…
now THAT is a bloke screaming to be made fun of!
Or is it his guests?

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