Laying of the Groundworks

[Anonymous 18]

Gauging from the predominately gynocentric discussions on the forums here about female nature I would like to ask that are we simply laying groundworks for a greater launch once MGTOW permeates society’s core and is no longer ignored, laughed at, or dismissed? Are we doing the hard work of digging the ground, getting ourselves dirty, pouring in cement on the base?

Is the opposition from feminists and manginas against the founding ideology itself or is it against the subliminal fear of what can be built up on this foundation? Is the irrefutable logical, organized thoughts that are valid, hard to distort and even harder to ignore making us appear beyond control, aggressive?

I think of MGTOWs along the same groups that assess cold, hard facts far removed from the glitters of ‘feels and what’s cool’. I look at ridicule as an expression of unwillingness or even inability to comprehend the harsh truth that the subconscious admits to be a tragedy. The rational response is to ignore and use humor to deflect the painful reality. Women are not what we were told they are.

And men have harder time dealing with it than women. The latter are just reluctant to admit that the game with 3 lives is now in its last stretch.

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

Anonymous wrote:

The rational response is to ignore and use humor to deflect the painful reality.

My groundwork I lay for myself going my own way is not based on ignoring anything. That is anything but rational, at least for myself. Nor do I use humor to deflect the painful reality. I accept the reality as liberating, for I am now free. As for the humor, well, of course I find it funny as hell, that the shaming tactics & manipulation towards us men, are still trying to be used to hook & reel us back into the s~~~ we checked out of & flat out rejected by going our own way.

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

Anonymous wrote:

are we simply laying groundworks for a greater launch once MGTOW permeates society’s core

On one hand, i’d be perfectly content to find a good spot & watch it all burn. Let the feminists & manginas drive civilization off a cliff – if it goes spectacularly, it’ll be a hell of a show.

On the other hand, I appreciate helping out close friends, but only up to a limit. If i don’t help myself, i can’t realistically help anyone else. So maybe my assistance comes in the form of pulling up a chair for my fellow MGTOWs – cold beer in the fridge & steaks on the grill. After all, if we’re not going to “man up” and save the world, what the hell are we doing? …

… oh that’s right – whatever the f~~~ we feel like doing.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I believe any man who thinks MGTOW is some sort of marriage strike tactic to affect change in society, and believes doing such will lead to this mass uprising of men to all avoid marriage so then women and society need to notice and start to pander, is going to end up VERY disappointed.

My take on going MGTOW is that it benefits you, and that is it. If any society changes happen, well that is a bonus, but don’t bank on it. The thing is, by looking after yourself first, and getting your own house in order, you will reap far greater benefits, and sooner, than any sort of collectivist activist activity will try to do. And you don’t need to wait for anyone else.

So, I say the groundwork is for your own life, and that is about it.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Richardhutnik

I believe any man who thinks MGTOW is some sort of marriage strike tactic to affect change in society, and believes doing such will lead to this mass uprising of men to all avoid marriage so then women and society need to notice and start to pander, is going to end up VERY disappointed.

Youre entire post was spot on. I quote this paragraph alone for the purpose of being succinct. I started a thread a few days ago on this topic “MGTOW Being Transparent About Your Objectives”. In retrospect I didnt frame the discussion clearly enough and it strayed from my inentions.

Some people assert they have a complete unnatached, disinterested, and un-emotive relationship with what happens to women; because afterall they are Going Their Own Way; but some of these same posters RELISH in womens perceived defeat. Even going so far as keeping a tally as though two separate teams exist and one is “winning” or losing.

I dont have a problem with either view, and Id even say I can relate to those enjoying watching women experience their just desserts.

But to suggest you are disinterested and could care less about women and what happens to them AND post in the “were winning” attitude is completely irreconcilable and is a contradiction in terms.

To add insult to injury, when those who engage in this post the FORMER they present themselves as more ENLIGHTENED then you: “why do you even care what women do/think/say?” As though they have reached some hightened state of enlightenment you havent; yet these same people (not ALL) also delight in the idea that were “winning” or women are “miserable“.

You cant have it both ways. Either you care or dont care. Either way is up to each individual, but dont preach to me how enlightened you are about not caring then also showing you do care.

Resident cynic.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I am hoping that MGTOW find positive reasons to be MGTOW, rather than they are recovering from hurt, and merely seeking a way to escape pain. Pain is a way to have meaning, where there isn’t any.

I did this video for my channel a few months ago, where I discuss men who keep looking back and won’t let go. I believe this fits:

But each man can do whatever he will.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[RoyDalParticipant]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

I am hoping that MGTOW find positive reasons to be MGTOW, rather than they are recovering from hurt, and merely seeking a way to escape pain. Pain is a way to have meaning, where there isn’t any.

I did this video for my channel a few months ago, where I discuss men who keep looking back and won’t let go. I believe this fits:

Those among us who are the most outspoken are those who are in the most pain, and this will pass in its own time. Good video.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

I have been judged for over 16 years of my life, while I was married. I spent many of them having to suck it up & keeping my mouth shut. Why? Because every time I opened my mouth, there would be hell to pay, and the arguing and all that followed, along with it.

As for myself being enlightened…yeah, practice makes perfect. Right? Of course I have paid beyond belief for a little bit of enlightenment, stands to reason that I would gain some….even if it’s only a fraction compared to those that are far more enlightened than myself.

Outspoken?? Well, let’s see here. I spent most my childhood scared to death because my father beat & abused me. So, I rarely said anything because of the PAIN. I spent most my adult life being in the same fires of hell because of being married. I spent the past 4 years of my life rarely talking to anyone, including posts online.

What that makes me in someone else’s eyes, is not my concern or business. How someone wants to perceive me is also not my call. People will think what they will. I have always found it odd & strange, when a woman who barely knows me, claims she knows me better than I know myself.

I like Yoda’s take on it…..

“My own council will I keep…”

As for winning, yeah, I am finally single again & free from the enslavement I spent most my adult life being yoked to. I don’t really look at it as an ongoing process.

As long as I never get remarried, which I NEVER will again, I have already WON. It’s done & finished & ancient history for me.

Whether that makes me an idiot or a fool or enlightened, I don’t know, and it doesn’t matter…all that matters to me is I am finally able to live my life on MY own terms now.

If that’s not laying groundwork for myself, then I don’t know what is.
In regards to all the other points made in this thread, I will just read what other’s have to say, that are wiser than I am.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Whether that makes me an idiot or a fool or enlightened, I don’t know, and it doesn’t matter…all that matters to me is I am finally able to live my life on MY own terms now.

That doesnt make you an idiot or a fool; it makes you a liberated man

Fantastic story, and you have overcome a ton of S~~~ life throws at us.

I truly hope you didnt think my words in my post were directed at you, or towards someone like you. They were not. Thank you for sharing your story. It was encouraging.

Resident cynic.

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

That doesnt make you an idiot or a fool; it makes you a liberated man

Fantastic story, and you have overcome a ton of S~~~ life throws at us.

I truly hope you didnt think my words in my post were directed at you, or towards someone like you. They were not. Thank you for sharing your story. It was encouraging.

I felt like I played the idiot & fool all those years in order to wise up to it. It is awesome to be liberated now, for sure.

I only made my last post because I can be and have been very vocal, at times, on this site, and wanted to make sure I was not in that category.

Thanks for the clarification & glad my story was found to be encouraging.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

RoyDal wrote:

richardhutnik wrote:

I am hoping that MGTOW find positive reasons to be MGTOW, rather than they are recovering from hurt, and merely seeking a way to escape pain. Pain is a way to have meaning, where there isn’t any.
I did this video for my channel a few months ago, where I discuss men who keep looking back and won’t let go. I believe this fits:

Those among us who are the most outspoken are those who are in the most pain, and this will pass in its own time. Good video.

Thanks.

While it originally wasn’t intended to be a series of videos, it became the first “schism” video I did on points of contention around the MGTOWsphere on what is or is not really MGTOW. I also added some other things in there. It was a way to document schools of thought, and how they contrast. I am likely to do one on the tyranny of facts, and mention evo psych and how what is a “fact” isn’t really relevant to how a man does MGTOW, because it is subjective and personal preference.

I will say my video output is likely to decrease. I am looking to get some more videos done, and only make one available a week, because I am looking at doing a relocation for a possible new job and Internet access will be very limited. My hope is I can get sometime in the weekend to unlock one video a week.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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