Las Vegas UPDATE AMMO used

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I just heard on the radio from someone who had a friend shot there and is in the hospital. Some people were shot with .223 and OTHERS were shot with 7.62 NATO. Don’t know if this is true or not as it is second hand from the hospital but it suggests two different weapons, the later is belt fed. Also I did some research on 7.62 since I used to be an M60 gunner the drop is 6 inches at 200 yards. At 300 it is nearly a foot. so the shooter had to have some training and experience to be that effective with the weapon.

Maybe the source is wrong but that is the current update.

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

Wow so if 7.62 either

(A) retired accountant with lots of training

Or

(B) different shooter much closer

[TaxGuyParticipant]

surfdude12 wrote:

Wow so if 7.62 either

(A) retired accountant with lots of training

Or

(B) different shooter much closer

Or he just shot in the middle of the crowd and didn’t give a flying s~~~ who he hit. If you shoot into the middle of the herd and don’t care what you hit, you’re going to hit something.

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[RusskyParticipant 13503]

who cares about the drop when you’re shooting at a sea of people? it must had been as hard as shooting fish in a barrel
you just spray in a general direction
(I’m talking out of my ass, but isn’t that so?)

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

PistolPete wrote:

I just heard on the radio from someone who had a friend shot there and is in the hospital. Some people were shot with .223 and OTHERS were shot with 7.62 NATO. Don’t know if this is true or not as it is second hand from the hospital but it suggests two different weapons, the later is belt fed. Also I did some research on 7.62 since I used to be an M60 gunner the drop is 6 inches at 200 yards. At 300 it is nearly a foot. so the shooter had to have some training and experience to be that effective with the weapon.

Maybe the source is wrong but that is the current update.

Adjusting for drop rate while using automatic fire select likely means the shooter had training. A novice would easily lose control of firing a rifle set to automatic fire, let alone would that person know how to adjust for drop rate.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Faust For Science wrote:

Adjusting for drop rate while using automatic fire select likely means the shooter had training. A novice would easily lose control of firing a rifle set to automatic fire, let alone would that person know how to adjust for drop rate.

BINGO! Give than man a cigar.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Pete:

You obviously know more about firing an automatic weapon than the rest of us. I assume he had to play with it out in the woods a few times to know how to hold on and aim. But if he did that, and then just shot into the crowd, wouldn’t he have done the kind of damage that he did? When you have thousands of people jammed into a crowd, I would think your aim wouldn’t have to be that great.

Am I missing something?

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[SkeptiskParticipant 3679]

1. He was reportedly not shooting to many times with his weapons.
2. He was found dead, quite convenient.

So, I might be very wrong about this, but I smell a fish. Always when something happens, I always asks; “Who benefits?” A mass-shooting is always a precursor to attacks on the 2’nd amendment. Watch the media closely the next week.

And, btw, who was the very fist victim?

"Expecting to find a decent woman on a dating site is like dumpster diving and expecting to come out with a gourmet meal." Won'tGetFooledAgain

[Anonymous 7]

Faust For Science wrote:

Adjusting for drop rate while using automatic fire select likely means the shooter had training. A novice would easily lose control of firing a rifle set to automatic fire, let alone would that person know how to adjust for drop rate.

He had them on tripods.
Would this make a difference on losing control of the weapon?
I’m not doubt you or Pete, just curious.

[Anonymous 43]

Never let a crisis go to waste. Rahm Emanuel Mayor of Chicago

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

PistolPete wrote:

Faust For Science wrote:

Adjusting for drop rate while using automatic fire select likely means the shooter had training. A novice would easily lose control of firing a rifle set to automatic fire, let alone would that person know how to adjust for drop rate.

BINGO! Give than man a cigar.

That is not taking into account that due the distance between the hotel and concert venue would be like trying to hit the side of a car at a hundred yards. It sounds easy, but it is not to hit with a single fire select unless the person is trained. Let alone hitting the side of a car at hundred yards using automatic select of a rifle. The possibility of undershooting the target, or overshooting the target is very real.

If almost no bullets are found outside of the concert venue, this will also show evidence of training on the part of the shooter.

[Anonymous 7]

Skeptisk wrote:

1. He was reportedly not shooting to many times with his weapons.

Listening to the video that is floating around he starts, stops for a bit then started up again.

This would make sense IF he had a malfunction of some sort. Weapon jams, tries to clear it and can’t. Goes to backup weapon.

This would explain people hit with two different calibers.

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

Sheriff right now: “I know you want info on motive but can’t put out info we know isn’t accurate”

Sheriff: “we heard some people mention possible second shooter, we’ve ruled that out”

Woah!! If you’re still “in process of investigation” why are you making premature declarations (only one shooter)?

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

i’ve shot several hundreds of 7.62 rounds at targets one summer when I was in army cadets. Its quite a large bullet and, it can easily injure more than one person with one shot into a crowd like in Las Vegas. Hitting a target requires skill, and adjusting for elevation and windage sites. Aiming at a crowd can be done by a novice. All he had to do was know how to load, and turn off the safety.

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

Anonymous wrote:

Skeptisk wrote:

1. He was reportedly not shooting to many times with his weapons.

Listening to the video that is floating around he starts, stops for a bit then started up again.

This would make sense IF he had a malfunction of some sort. Weapon jams, tries to clear it and can’t. Goes to backup weapon.

This would explain people hit with two different calibers.

But, why use weapons that use two different caliber bullet rounds. That means hauling up two large sets of bullet rounds, instead of only one set for two weapons that use the same caliber bullet. That does not make sense for a single shooter theory.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

TaxGuy wrote:

You obviously know more about firing an automatic weapon than the rest of us. I assume he had to play with it out in the woods a few times to know how to hold on and aim. But if he did that, and then just shot into the crowd, wouldn’t he have done the kind of damage that he did? When you have thousands of people jammed into a crowd, I would think your aim wouldn’t have to be that great

thanks man and you raise a good point. firing a long burst of auto is extremely inaccurate—but he did manage to wound 500+ So any kind of aiming is difficult at best and when you include the fact it was dark and he was firing in a 30 degree (at least) downward angle he MUST have had a bi-pod and even then an armature is going to have a tough time hitting nearly 600 people. the shooting went on for 70+ minutes and people were scattering after the first salvo.

The other question is why it tool the police so long to get to him. People in adjacent suits are going to have their walls shaking, so pin-pointing his room is a piece of cake. I also don’t get why he had 10+ weapons? Why? All he needed was the one and plenty of ammo. the others seem superfluous. I am not dismissing the possibility of multiple shooters. Either he is a fantastic shot, or there were more than one guy.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Russky wrote:

who cares about the drop when you’re shooting at a sea of people?

Pretty much this.

Most of the injuries were caused by trampling.

[Anonymous 7]

Skeptisk wrote:

So, I might be very wrong about this, but I smell a fish.

You aint the only one that thinks this smelly.

He had the money to get the weapons and hire a professional trainer. They aren’t that hard to find.
There is no shortage of places in the S.W. to go squeeze of rounds and practice.

The fact he had training doesn’t sound fishy to me.
Other stuff does.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

PistolPete wrote:

The other question is why it tool the police so long to get to him. People in adjacent suits are going to have their walls shaking, so pin-pointing his room is a piece of cake.

i agree, he shot for almost 10 minutes before stopping. Police should of arrived sooner considering how popular that casino/hotel is.

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

PistolPete wrote:

I also don’t get why he had 10+ weapons

Quick update: The police just said they found 23 guns in the room. And 19 more in his house. He almost has as many guns as my brother. Not close to what my dad has though.

PistolPete wrote:

I am not dismissing the possibility of multiple shooters.

Makes sense.

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