Just an Intro

[RetiringSoulParticipant 26]

Hello!

First post although signed up a few months ago.

Started getting into the MGTOW philosophy in the summer of 2016.

What sparked the journey was a question, “Why do women wear makeup?”

IMO, thought it was a bit off if somebody needed to put on clown paint in order to attract men? I thought it was f~~~ing weird, honestly.

After a bit of online searching and videos discovered MGTOW content and related info. Talk about discovering a rare book!

Hopefully I can add my two cents here and there.

[Mr. ManParticipant 2916]

Welcome to the forums!

[Anonymous 1]

Welcome!!

RetiringSoul wrote:

“Why do women wear makeup?”

On my blue pill days, I always defend the women’s fascinations with fakeups and skincares, and tell my male friends who think women do that for men as mysoginists. I now apologize to those friends lol

[SilverOneParticipant 440]

Welcome to da house, Soul!
Just remember, it ain’t called “warpaint” for nothing 😉

I don’t believe in female magic anymore. And will never again gut myself to make room for it. --Narwhal--

[Anonymous 0]

RetiringSoul wrote:

What sparked the journey was a question, “Why do women wear makeup?”

IMO, thought it was a bit off if somebody needed to put on clown paint in order to attract men? I thought it was f~~~ing weird, honestly.

Welcome!

In her book “The Manipulated Man,” Edith Vilar devotes an entire chapter to why women wear make-up.

Ms. Vilar says that women like to pretend as though they do it for the benefit of men–to look sexy and pretty. Meantime, men do almost nothing to improve their own appearance. So men end up feeling guilty about women making themselves up, because men think that women do it for them. Men fully admit that they are attracted to a woman by her appearance, so they figure when women work on their appearance it’s for the benefit of men. So men feel guilty and a little touched at the same time.

But Ms. Vilar goes on to say that most men are unable to appreciate a women’s make-up beyond big boobs and a high hemline. Men have no clue what’s involved with the use of make-up. So actually women impose their makeup on themselves. It’s a way to distinguish themselves from men. It’s fun for them. Women regard it as a kind of a form of self-worship to turn themselves into some kind of perfect icon of femininity; and it creates a caste system among women where the ones who are best at getting made-up supposedly get the highest-earning men.

In the end, basically Ms. Vilar says that women are bored and stupid, and make-up has become one of the mindless, meaningless ways that women amuse themselves.

If you want to read the chapter yourself, you can find “The Manipulated Man” on-line. Go to the following link and check out pages 75-79 (the chapter entitled “The Mask of Femininity”).

Link: http://www.naturalthinker.net/trl/texts/Vilar,Esther/The_manipulated_man.pdf

The chapter is pretty funny. For example, concerning the various uses of make-up:

Thanks to the wide range of possible transformations each woman can offer a man – and a “real” woman varies her looks just a little every day – she keeps him in a state of constant bewilderment. While he is still trying to find yesterday’s woman in today’s, she gains time to achieve her own ends. She will maneuver the man into an untenable position, all the time skillfully distracting his attention from the stench of a rotting mind beneath the pleasing mask.

And so on.

[JVBParticipant]

Welcome new brother. You’re amongst friends.

Peace is > piece.

[SilverOneParticipant 440]

Anonymous wrote:

But Ms. Vilar goes on to say that most men are unable to appreciate a women’s make-up beyond big boobs and a high hemline.

Ms Vilar demonstrates here she is as guilty of stereotyping men, and with as little understanding, as any other woman.

I don’t believe in female magic anymore. And will never again gut myself to make room for it. --Narwhal--

[Anonymous 0]

SilverOne wrote:

TwoStep wrote:

But Ms. Vilar goes on to say that most men are unable to appreciate a women’s make-up beyond big boobs and a high hemline.

Ms Vilar demonstrates here she is as guilty of stereotyping men, and with as little understanding, as any other woman.

Whatever. The book was written more than a half-century ago, so it’s a little dated. Futhermore, the book is actually written in an over-the-top, tongue-in-cheek style. The reader isn’t supposed to take it literally.

But it’s still got some good insight into women. Some good “quotable quotes,” as they say.

[SilverOneParticipant 440]

Oh, I am sure she is spot on with women, after all, she has a first hand perspective. But, as a man of that time, I can assure you that even then that was a very shallow perspective. It is still pretty typical of how women look at men. Look no further than the popularity of breast augmentation surgery.

I don’t believe in female magic anymore. And will never again gut myself to make room for it. --Narwhal--

[Anonymous 0]

SilverOne wrote:

Oh, I am sure she is spot on with women, after all, she has a first hand perspective. But, as a man of that time, I can assure you that even then that was a very shallow perspective. It is still pretty typical of how women look at men. Look no further than the popularity of breast augmentation surgery.

I’m a man of that time too. (I’m 60 years old.) And frankly all I ever noticed was boobs and hemlines. I never took any interest in how women made themselves up. I just noticed that they looked better when made up and frequently looked rather drab and plain once the clothes and make-up were taken off and we were in bed.

But again, whatever. Read “The Manipulated Man” if you haven’t yet. (Use the link in my first post in this thread.) It’s short, and it’s funny. It created quite a stir when it first came out.

Here’s a cut-and-paste of an old post that I wrote about “The Manipulated Man” in a previous thread:

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Here is my own personal impression of the “The Manipulated Man” as a whole:

There’s actually a good deal of comedy in the book. Esther Vilar’s writing is clearly tongue-in-cheek at times. A review of her book when it first came out in 1972 pointed out the comedy in the book. Some of Ms. Vilar’s descriptions are way over the top. She paints a topsy-turvy world where “Women’s Lib” (the old name for feminism) is actually on the side of men because it tells women they need to grow up, get off their fat asses, and get into the workplace alongside of men.

Also, Ms. Vilar is tough on women, calling them retarded, stunted, mercenary, rotting, etc. But in a way she is even tougher on men: Ms. Vilar respects men for honing their intellect and being productive, but she is very disdainful of men’s cowardice, that is, their unwillingness to call the woman’s bluff and choose a life of freedom. She remarks constantly about how men are craven slaves who choose slavery with women as their masters instead freedom.

In a foreword to a later reissue of her book in 1998, Ms. Vilar makes it clear that she felt betrayed by men after her book was initially issued in the 70s, because men just blew off the book, again choosing slavery over freedom even after she had rubbed their nose in the truth. Ms. Vilar was more grateful to women, because at least *some* women supported her book, though she said that they usually only dared to show their support for her behind closed doors.

So in a way, I kind of think the book was part comedy and also partly aimed at *women,* pointing out that they could do better for themselves than to sit around and bitch and whine like children. Ms. Vilar clearly respects men for their hard work and capability, but I think she was hoping *women* would take the book to heart and up their game a bit. After all, that’s what Ms. Vilar did in her own life. (She was a medical doctor.)

Just my own opinion, of course.

[Anonymous 0]

Welcome home, RS
Beer’s in the fridge

[Y_Participant 4591]

Welcome. It is customary to tell us a bit of yourself – your life and what you think works for you. Any fetishes are also most welcome.

[HitmanParticipant]

Y_ wrote:

Any fetishes are also most welcome.

that’s a little hazing there…
you don’t have to go in to that…
in the meantime,
welcome!
tell us some other things about yourself,
like your age ,
ambitions etc..
.
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no disrespect to you yumbo!

[Anonymous 54]

Welcome!
I notice make up.
I read a peice once about how it mimicks a woman in an aroused sexual state.Swelling and redness in the lips from extreem blood flow, stuff like that.
Strickly from a beauty veiw point, The chicks at the country club do it right.
More liner on top, less on the bottom.
Blending the shadow well.
I like beauty.
I dont like trashy skank whores.

I f~~~ing HATE red lipstick. It looks like a f~~~ing bloody mouth to me.
I like the lighter colers. Looks like cum in their mouth.

[Anonymous 54]

Y_ wrote:

Any fetishes are also most welcome.

Mabey he could just pm thoses to you! Hahah

[Y_Participant 4591]

Hitman wrote:

no disrespect to you yumbo!

None taken – all in good fun. I can be a turd sometimes 🙂

Anonymous wrote:

Mabey he could just pm thoses to you! Hahah

I’ll keep you posted – lol

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

RetiringSoul wrote:

What sparked the journey was a question, “Why do women wear makeup?”

Welcome
The last argument I heard for this was by a woman on a youtube a video insisting men should pay for woman on dates because they spend so much money making themselves look good for us that we owed them. The flaming comments that followed were hysterical, but it shows you how woman think.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Y_ wrote:

Any fetishes are also most welcome.

I’ll confess::
I have a beer fetish. I love drinking it.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[SilverOneParticipant 440]

Anonymous wrote:

But again, whatever. Read “The Manipulated Man” if you haven’t yet. (Use the link in my first post in this thread.) It’s short, and it’s funny. It created quite a stir when it first came out.

I look forward to it. Thanks for the link. I downloaded it from your first comment. I wasn’t really trying to refute your argument, just pointing out that as close as she got, she still missed the mark. I do remember when it came out. It was about the time I got married the first time. I didn’t read it, but my wife did and marveled at how well she nailed about 90% of women to the wall (of course, that was 40 years ago, now it is more like 99.999%).

I don’t believe in female magic anymore. And will never again gut myself to make room for it. --Narwhal--

[SilverOneParticipant 440]

FrostByte wrote:

Yumbo wrote:

Any fetishes are also most welcome.

I’ll confess::
I have a beer fetish. I love drinking it.

I have a naughty little fetish, too. An afternoon at the range is better than an afternoon of hot, sweaty sex 😉

I don’t believe in female magic anymore. And will never again gut myself to make room for it. --Narwhal--

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