John The other Critizing MGTOW

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

I think JTO needs to end up homeless, lose his job and all because of women to get really get what MGTOW means.  He clearly isn’t our side.

 

 

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[MadmanParticipant 772]

I have never liked john the other or aron clarey. they are both avfm indoctrinated. I have said this before and I will keep saying it; everyone from avfm is toxic and should be ignored.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

I have been noticing JTOs videos have taken a ‘turn’ of late. It was subtle at first …. but … this vid has got me wondering what has gone on with his thought process.

He said:

Women would hate me if the situation was reversed ….. I know feminists say they hate men.

So what he’s saying is we men shouldn’t hate women even though this system is against us and for them ….. and that they hate us?

Anyway … he’s wrong. I don’t HATE women….. I think nothing of women. I would think the same of a bird landing in front of me.

I’m amused by them…. and try to understand them …. but I don’t associate with them.

Just like I do with lions when in Africe. I don’t hate them …. I respect their ability to rip me apart.

I’ve lost some respect for JTO.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I am seeing videos like this:

Sexy MGTOW (Does a MGTOW need to care if they are sexy or not?) argues women are not human.  Is that correct?  I think what can happen is that someone like John The Other ends up feeling that MGTOW is coming off wrong in the media with other men saying they are MGTOW on YouTube, and feeling discomfort at it.

So, are women not human?

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[RoyDalParticipant]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

So, are women not human?

Obviously women are human. Women’s behavior, and men’s, is the result of millions of years of evolution. We humans are acting like our genes programmed us to act. The rare exceptions are those very few of us who can use our intelligence to override our instinctive behaviors, which is not as easy as it sounds but is done all the time.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

RoyDal wrote:

richardhutnik wrote:

So, are women not human?

Obviously women are human. Women’s behavior, and men’s, is the result of millions of years of evolution. We humans are acting like our genes programmed us to act. The rare exceptions are those very few of us who can use our intelligence to override our instinctive behaviors, which is not as easy as it sounds but is done all the time.

Sexy MGTOW argues that women aren’t human in that video, and gives a big long line of reasoning why they are not.  According to Sexy, apparently only men are human.  I do think it is ok, to end up calling MGTOW channel on things like this.  Because of that set of videos, it got discussed and the name of MGTOW got dragged through the mud and made to be looked bad.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[UnbelievableyetnotParticipant 512]

I won’t argue or correct him. Feminists and SJW’s are more than capable of doing that.

After all, they don’t tackle the radical feminists for us.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24990]

The MRA’s are trying to change law/society/culture to attain a peaceful co-existance with feminists. The organized feminism we face today started at the Seneca Falls meeting in the mid 1800’s. Feminism is growing so your looking at 2 or 3 centuries before the laws….will be changed.

If a man goes his own way today he has already beat the system.

MRA’s are jealous of our success. Maybe their bitterness and resentment, unlike our bitterness and resentment, make it impossible to move past women, the gynocracy, into the realization that women bring nothing to men but pain and destruction and reasoning with them is worthless.

One thing MRA’s do well and are necessary in my opinion is raising conciousness. This is essential with the constant torrent of feminist lies being shoved down societies throats.

Myself, I don’t give a s~~~ enough to care what our world of femtards thinks.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

You know i really love how messenger rising calls all these people on their bulls~~~ the moment he sees them.I’m staring to like the guy.

[WolfParticipant 890]

“Some” socialization differences? Get real JTO – there are a lot of socialization differences. How else do you think we (society) got to where we are?

And I don’t think women are evil. Like you said, JTO, we live in a political environment/social construct that is destructive to men, and I choose not to participate.

And men do get shamed for going against the status quo in regard to relationships between men and women.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I have a feeling I may need to do a video on shaming as a manipulation technique soon.  I was thinking of doing dehumanization, but I see that as probably a later technique to come over.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[uncle_malkyParticipant 8]

I feel sheepish, I just started my own thread on this issue in “Philosophy.”

The really strange thing, to me, is the JtO hasn’t mentioned his doubt of Evolutionary Psychology in the past. Stardusk has been talking about how gynocentrism and hypergamy are based in EvoPsych for years and ALL OF A SUDDEN JtO says EvoPsych is “pseudoscience.” I feel truly disgusted, the anti-MGTOW trolls were in the comment section f~~~ing applauding JtO’s new decision for what MGTOW should be.

If JtO doubted EvoPsych, why did he NEVER mention it before? If I had to guess I’d say he wants to break off a faction of MGTOW that he can be the petty ring-leader of. He wants to take what little sorry-ass power he can get. For someone who demanded we all buy a homeless man lunch and listen to his story or else we “don’t give a f~~~ about men,” this strikes me as rather contradictory behavior, now we need to have all the empathy we can muster for those poor f~~~in’ women who are just victims of societal conditioning.

[Gone SurfingParticipant 216]

JTO’s Reply video.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Dear John. Stop trying to change MGTOW “perceptions’.
Because MGTOW are deeply rooted in REALITY.

I’m really getting tired of seeing men tell other men how to “view women”. They are more preoccupied with how women are SEEN than the way they actually ARE.

JTO has simply not had enough exposure to large amounts women and watch them complete with each other – NAKEDLY. Meaning, when nobody else is really looking and it’s only them. Forget how men “think” about it….. Beauty pageant contestants stick needles in each other’s dresses just to be the prettiest. There is no limit, man – and for the most petty s~~~! They flatten reputations, backstab, steal boyfriends and husbands from there women ON PURPOSE…. and it’s not because there are no other men she can date. She does it, and destroys the family, because she is inherently evil. Whether or not “they are that way because the law permits it” is not even a factor.

Personally, I have exposure with women equivalent to living with and growing up with 300 sisters. And when I was 11, I knew the vagina is a place where considerable evil dwelt. What they are capable of without limits – when nobody is even looking and when no men are involved – would turn your hair white.

Everybody has seen this video already
/video/woman-castrates-husband-women-laugh/

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While I am personally no proof of anything, I was once a part time bartender for 7 years in night clubs and I saw the TRUE nature of women. Every weekend for 7 years (in my 20s). And MEN are angels compared to them. Especially in girls-only environments.

There are too many people – including JTO – who are obsessed with perceptions and the way women are *viewed*. They have really big problem with it. They can’t handle it. They even try to tell other men “not all woman are like that”. And they will publish great big articles on it – trying to “change views about women”… even when MOST women are “like that”.

http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/10-stereotypes-stop-spreading-women-hesaid/

But we know what that actually MEANS.

/forums/topic/oh-god-not-all-women/

Dear John. You don’t have a case.

http://www.wikihow.com/Manipulate-Men

/content/pages/womanipulate_sneaky/

/content/pages/womanipulate_easy/

They publish f~~~ing MANUALS which you can buy on Amazon – written by women for other women – entitled “why men love bitches” and “why men marry bitches“, and they wear that title around their necks like Olympic GOLD. If a woman wants to be *viewed* as anything other than a manipulative evil bitch out only for herself, it’s not up to JTO to change the perceptions of men who are fully aware of it. It’s up to WOMEN themselves. And they never will change.

No greedy, manipulative selfish bitch will come out and TELL you that she is a greedy, manipulative selfish bitch.
You know WHY? Because she is inherently evil. It’s in her nature.

Adam and Eve is a true story and we see it play out in divorce and family courts on a daily basis.
HEADLINE: “Evil woman destroys man’s paradise”. Sound familiar?

But most important of all…

You will NEVER BE REWARDED for thinking “woman are angels”. No woman will ever reward you for taking her word at face value, or trusting her, or not being aware of her true inherent nature. But the rewards for knowing what women are REALLY LIKE ….. pays HUGE.

Stop trying to change “perceptions”.
Because MGTOW are deeply rooted in REALITY.

But please, John don’t take OUR word for it. Women will admit it themselves. AFTER the fact. AFTER she is giggling about stealing 3 million + property from you and she’s done f~~~ing your best friend for free.
/audio/3-million-dollar-bitch/
/video/the-quintessential-bitch-wife/

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

It is possible to spend hours on end on debating the nature of evil with women, or culture, or they are stupid and manipulated, or it is the fault of men they are that way and a dozen of other things.  My take here, is by going MGTOW, this NAWALT/AWALT/etc… debate is not really of relevance, because a man being MGTOW competently will assure him that he has NO evil women in his life.  It is simple, and spares a big long debate look over and over and over at a subject that, once you move beyond, you stop thinking about.  As part of the getting on with a life, I know it is beneficial for MGTOW to discuss and look at this.  I do think though, that it would be beneficial you do move beyond, start working on yourself, and your way, and getting some boundaries that prevent you from getting harmed by everything out there.

This poking and prying, and if you need it that is cool, reminds me of the “Don’t touch it” scene from Time Bandits:

Anyhow, shred and ignore what I am saying if you feel it isn’t of value.

As far as a Garden of Eden reference goes, Adam used the woman as an excuse to do what he wasn’t told.  The story I take, and being MGTOW helps, is you won’t allow a woman to manipulate you, at all.  Take responsibility for yourself, strengthen your resources and discernment also.  With my case, I didn’t, and I got rooked badly… pretty much by men.  But I press on.  It happens.  But why keep focusing on the evil of women, when working on yourself, you can be stronger than all sources of evil?

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

It happens.  But why keep focusing on the evil of women, when working on yourself, you can be stronger than all sources of evil?

Because it’s not enough to just “be a good driver”.
You have to actively practice collision avoidance to navigate the roads of life successfully.

It’s the only way to remain accident free… and it pays with much cheaper insurance.

Evil women have tried to get away with things with me – and they failed.
Because I actively practiced collision avoidance.

My driving record is spotless too.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Franky wrote:

You know i really love how messenger rising calls all these people on their bulls~~~ the moment he sees them.I’m staring to like the guy.

Yes I have spoken to him several times and he has quickly become someone I look out for. In the featured MGTOW channels we are releasing here on 07.04, he’s one of them. He’s actually very new and has only been RedPill for a year. Told me that himself.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AFTParticipant 2726]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

But why keep focusing on the evil of women, when working on yourself, you can be stronger than all sources of evil?

Unfortunately we cannot avoid women entirely, their manipulation and the traps are set all over our environment.

If I could go to MGTOW country where there were no women, no manipulation or traps, then I could lower my guard and focus all my energy towards developing my consciousness. However, I’m forced to operate in a PC, gynocentric environment, full of AWALTS with a thin layer of Unicorn makeup, ready to screw me over any way they can.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Well, what I take from MGTOW is I control my own roads and have toll booths set up that allow whomever into my life, and I keep out whomever.  Some women may come onto the road, but I can avoid them.  I also took MGTOW, as a lifestyle, is active collision avoidance.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[HimeoParticipant 471]

Understanding gynocentrism, looking objectively at the evidence gathered here and elsewhere results in the conclusion that men and women are fundamentally different. This is a big mistake JTO is making. He’s wrong about that.

JTO is right, when he comes to the conclusion that many MGTOW are vilifying women unjustifiably.

Why? Because many people in this thread are trying to apply male standards to females. I wish that were possible, but they are incapable of living to that standard. This will never change. But, as I’ve stated multiple times on this forum… Why hate a rock for being a rock? Why hate a woman for being a woman?

MGTOW is not about hate. It’s about rationally looking at the world and avoiding the bulls~~~ women and society throw our way. If you hate women, you’re not only doing MGTOW wrong, you’re f~~~ing your life up.

Holding onto anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. – Buddha

Please, don’t make MGTOW the Stormfront of the gender war.

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