John Gray Ph.d is a F~~~ING SHILL IMBECILE

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

“Dr. Gray” is the author of Men are from Mars Women are from Venus, and just finished his new sreed on the same topic.

Why do I mention this? As many know I’m diabetic and as a result I have insomnia. So when I can’t sleep, like last night I tune in AM Coast to Coast on the radio. The usual fare is Aliens, UFOs, ancient civilizations, bigfoot and other harmless but entertaining material.

Last night however the “Dr.” was featured shilling his new book for 2 1/2 hours. For 2 1/2 hours I suffered through intense blue-pill propaganda: “men need to give women what they want”, “men need to appreciate the needs of women”, “Men need to accept responsibility and make commitments to strong confident women”….Yadda Yadda Yadda. It was all men need to so this/that/the other in order to please women. Everything he said confirms everything that appears in the threads of this forum everyday.

I suffered through it like the trooper I am and I tried to call in—told the call screen-er my question was: With women initiating divorces 70% of the time WHY would any sane man commit to a regime which 70% of the time will cost him 50% of his total assets in the world? And why should he be expected to do so just to please someone else? Naturally my call wasn’t taken on air.

The point is: Women are approaching sheer desperation. I would say it is desperation beginning to border on hysteria. (I say women because the good “Dr.” admitted that 90% of his clients and readership are guess who—women) This “Dr.” is the Joe Goebbels of the Gynocracy trying to quell men from rejecting women and their bulls~~~ and lure us back to the plantation. It is a blue-pill shot across the bow—and means we are at least having a solid–definable affect. Fear is gripping women as never before.

The existence of MGTOW guarantees his failure.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

PistolPete wrote:

“men need to give women what they want”,

I kind of agree with that!
Best way to make her miserable.

PistolPete wrote:

“men need to appreciate the needs of women”

I don’t know about anyone else standards but who the f~~~ would appreciate(?) the “needs” of women?

PistolPete wrote:

“Men need to accept responsibility and make commitments to strong confident women”

Like a c~~~ with “needs” in that shoe commercial above?

Men don’t NEED anything to do with that s~~~.

Ever.

PistolPete wrote:

The point is: Women are approaching sheer desperation.

Yes they are. And they are becoming unraveled and unhinged right before our eyes.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 13]

I got married just the ONCE.

ONCE was all it took to suffer nearly every f~~~ing nightmare out there that nearly every other man who got married SUFFERED!

ONCE was enough!

NEVER. F~~~ING. AGAIN.

[Anonymous 6]

PistolPete wrote:

So when I can’t sleep, like last night I tune in AM Coast to Coast on the radio.

Last night however the “Dr.” was featured shilling his new book for 2 1/2 hours. For 2 1/2 hours I suffered through intense blue-pill propaganda: “men need to give women what they want”, “men need to appreciate the needs of women”, “Men need to accept responsibility and make commitments to strong confident women”….Yadda Yadda Yadda.

You are a patient man for putting up with 2 1/2 hours of that s~~~e, 10 minutes and I would have hurled that f~~~ing radio up against the wall!

[GrumpyParticipant]

Wait..
Am I missing something here?
How to have a successful relationship based on the advise from someone who has not succeeded in it themselves?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gray_(U.S._author)

While promoted himself with questionable credentials?
Gray received an unaccredited PhD degree by correspondence in 1982 from Columbia Pacific University (CPU), a now-defunct university located in San Rafael, California upon completion of a correspondence course[5][7][8] and an honorary doctorate from Governors State University in Illinois after he delivered their commencement address in 2002.[5]

I guess “how to scam the gullible with relationship advise” is an inappropriate genre for his criminal… err work record.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[SolidParticipant 7520]

Keymaster wrote:

PistolPete wrote:

“men need to give women what they want”,

I kind of agree with that!
Best way to make her miserable.

PistolPete wrote:

“men need to appreciate the needs of women”

I don’t know about anyone else standards but who the f~~~ would appreciate(?) the “needs” of women?

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PistolPete wrote:

“Men need to accept responsibility and make commitments to strong confident women”

Like a c~~~ with “needs” in that shoe commercial above?

Men don’t NEED anything to do with that s~~~.

Ever.

PistolPete wrote:

The point is: Women are approaching sheer desperation.

Yes they are. And they are becoming unraveled and unhinged right before our eyes.

It’s basically women saying that they need more money because they spend more money. WOW ! They didn’t know how real world works ? You spend what you have, just that, ignoring retirements and emergency savings of course, things that they won’t even mind to think about !

It’s like a ex coworker, he said to our boss that he needed an raise, well, he didn’t said “because I work hard”, that was bulls~~~, what he said ? “Because I bought a house”. Brothers, that’s the worst thing ever ! It’s like you going out to buy a car, and the seller want to charge you 10k more, because “well, my dog only eats premium food, so you will have to pay more for this car, because I have to buy better food for my dog”.

Women can’t understand that the world won’t bend to their needs. That guy was fired, and that is what should happen with a c~~~ if she starting acting like that.

Your payment should reflect how much you worth and work, not how much you spend

I need much more money that I would be able to make working 44 hours week, what I do ? I WORK MORE ! Simple enough ! I want to get two times more money, I work two times more, make between 80 and 90 hour a week isn’t hard, really, if those lazy c~~~s want to make money, they should be able to accept to work more.

But not only they want to work less, but also they want a bigger paycheck. AWALT, want all rights, all benefits, are entitled enough to think that she deserves that, but don’t want to work for that.

Typical “I want a sugar daddy but I don’t want to give any sugar”

[ThanasiParticipant 428]

The so-called ‘Dr’ Gray’s writing is at the level of a 3-year-old i.e., in monosyllables and black-and-white ideas without taking into account the complexity of the world we live in.

Beyond that, what I object to is his one-way view on relationships. Yeah, sure, give women what they want, but the same applies to guys i.e., stay fit, give us sex when we want, and be a committed member of a relationship.

[bladeParticipant]

Sounds like he is promoting slavery . F~~~ him .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

But he sells a lot of books to women, so he says what they want to hear.

He knows his audience.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I forgot to mention he also at one point actually blurted out the old meme happy wife means happy life…when I heard that I ALMOST regretted keeping a pistol next to the bed and radio.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

I got married just the ONCE. ONCE was all it took to suffer nearly every f~~~ing nightmare out there that nearly every other man who got married SUFFERED! ONCE was enough! NEVER. F~~~ING. AGAIN.

@SPIRITRR Did you tell your story? I would be interested in reading it! You said “Your story is on it’s way”. so no pressure. But I love the passion behind your words. When it’s behind you and you’re not going through it anymore….. and if inspired only. Until then, Strength and Honor!

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[NeroParticipant 1466]

Just look at that beta f~~~ for Christ’s sake!! NO f~~~ing way I’d take advice from that weak looking thing.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

PistolPete wrote:

I suffered through it like the trooper I am and I tried to call in—told the call screen-er my question was: With women initiating divorces 70% of the time WHY would any sane man commit to a regime which 70% of the time will cost him 50% of his total assets in the world? And why should he be expected to do so just to please someone else? Naturally my call wasn’t taken on air.

Never tell the screener the question you’re going to ask. Make up some bulls~~~ question they want to get, and then when you’re put on air, go for the throat.

“You’re addressing men a lot while you’re promoting your book. Yet from your promotion no man in his right mind would pay for it. In fact all you’ve done is give one reason after another to avoid women as not worth the effort.”

[Anonymous 13]

Keymaster wrote:

SpiritRR wrote:

I got married just the ONCE. ONCE was all it took to suffer nearly every f~~~ing nightmare out there that nearly every other man who got married SUFFERED! ONCE was enough! NEVER. F~~~ING. AGAIN.

@spiritrr Did you tell your story? I would be interested in reading it! You said “Your story is on it’s way”. so no pressure. But I love the passion behind your words. When it’s behind you and you’re not going through it anymore….. and if inspired only. Until then, Strength and Honor!

Hi KM and thanks,

No, I haven’t yet but I will be. I just have a few more months, with a bit of luck, finally breaking free from this nightmare.

If I was to tell the whole thing, it’d likely end up a book. I guess there’s nothing in it that you all haven’t seen before, it’s just that mine had the whole damn lot, and then some.

I can’t believe what I put with at times, oh yeah I do, a daughter whom I love more than life itself.

I may write out parts and scenarios that those who care enough to follow can then build a picture of the marriage or the hell.

Marriage, F~~~ that word, it’s a sham and a scam masquerading as something good and holy.

Marriage = The Ultimate Lie.

[ThanasiParticipant 428]

I’d like to know what happens with daughters, if they eventually grow up to see through their mother’s bulls~~~ and love their father?

I’m worried about my own, that she may be indoctrinated into the mother’s enmeshed family.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

Marriage = The Ultimate Lie.

Thank you for seeing my post and I took care of your double and +3’d you for each attempt at propriety. Cheers. And it’s a pleasure to have you here.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 13]

Keymaster wrote:

SpiritRR wrote:

Marriage = The Ultimate Lie.

Thank you for seeing my post and I took care of your double and +3’d you for each attempt at propriety. Cheers. And it’s a pleasure to have you here.

Thank you KM, I didn’t get notified of your post directed at me. I’ve been on some forums where using the @(someone’s name) notifies them. I didn’t get that here, but just happened to check back and see your post.

If I don’t reply to people, it’s just that I haven’t been notified and not had the chance to check back on previous posts.

I do get notified of posts to a topic I create though.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Thanasi wrote:

I’d like to know what happens with daughters, if they eventually grow up to see through their mother’s bulls~~~ and love their father?

I’m worried about my own, that she may be indoctrinated into the mother’s enmeshed family.

My daughter is now 19 and living with her mother in a different city 1800Km/1100mi away from me. She is pregnant with a Chad’s bastard and attempting to get welfare as a ‘single mommy” in that province. Chad want nothing to do with her- big surprise there- I warned her about it.
Despite actually being raised and trained by me, she turned out exactly like her mother.
Despite the influence of educated and decent men and women, seeing first hand the consequences of what happens when women manipulate and try to control relationships, she turned out like her mother.
Like her mother, she is calmly walking down a dead end street not seeing nor understanding the direction she is heading, while pretending that is other peoples fault for where she is.
My family is filled with doctors/nurses/paramedics/lawyers/scientists/ teachers/police/corrections/technicians/professional soldiers/miners/forestry/fire fighters/artists/musicians/authors and a few in the lower end spectrum of jobs.
Her mothers family, not so much. There is the odd professional, some have steady jobs, most however do not, at least some of them are paying their own way in life.
This is the avenue my daughter chose to follow, which breaks my heart.

Her mother is 50, is now obese, has a minimum wage part time job, no savings, rents a condemned 1 bedroom apartment in a slum (with my daughter), has a constant facial expression that is a mixture of despair, anger, old age (she looks like she is at least 65 now), and the knowledge that only a man of extremely low standards would f~~~ her much less have any type of other relationship with her. Hell, even hard up lesbians wont have anything to do with her.
Unless my daughter wise’s up and takes steps to improve her chosen lot in life, or catches an extremely lucky break. This is exactly how she will end up.

I have a very hard time talking to her when she calls now, because I know she wants something (money) from me, and it is hard for me to mask my anger, frustration, disappointment, and knowledge of where she’s heading.
Sadly for me, I mostly consider her yet another useless human being. I hope that changes soon.

My best friends daughter (also raised by him), is exactly the same way at 20 only already obese and not understanding why she “can’t find a good man” either.
His son has learned the hard lesson that only he is responsible his life and there is no help for him like what the “girls” get.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

There is truth in the old meme: Want to know what a woman of 20 will look like in 25 years? Just look at her mother.

[ThanasiParticipant 428]

Grumpy wrote:

Thanasi wrote:

I’d like to know what happens with daughters, if they eventually grow up to see through their mother’s bulls~~~ and love their father?

I’m worried about my own, that she may be indoctrinated into the mother’s enmeshed family.

My daughter is now 19 and living with her mother in a different city 1800Km/1100mi away from me. She is pregnant with a Chad’s bastard and attempting to get welfare as a ‘single mommy” in that province. Chad want nothing to do with her- big surprise there- I warned her about it.
Despite actually being raised and trained by me, she turned out exactly like her mother.
Despite the influence of educated and decent men and women, seeing first hand the consequences of what happens when women manipulate and try to control relationships, she turned out like her mother.
Like her mother, she is calmly walking down a dead end street not seeing nor understanding the direction she is heading, while pretending that is other peoples fault for where she is.
My family is filled with doctors/nurses/paramedics/lawyers/scientists/ teachers/police/corrections/technicians/professional soldiers/miners/forestry/fire fighters/artists/musicians/authors and a few in the lower end spectrum of jobs.
Her mothers family, not so much. There is the odd professional, some have steady jobs, most however do not, at least some of them are paying their own way in life.
This is the avenue my daughter chose to follow, which breaks my heart.

Her mother is 50, is now obese, has a minimum wage part time job, no savings, rents a condemned 1 bedroom apartment in a slum (with my daughter), has a constant facial expression that is a mixture of despair, anger, old age (she looks like she is at least 65 now), and the knowledge that only a man of extremely low standards would f~~~ her much less have any type of other relationship with her. Hell, even hard up lesbians wont have anything to do with her.
Unless my daughter wise’s up and takes steps to improve her chosen lot in life, or catches an extremely lucky break. This is exactly how she will end up.

I have a very hard time talking to her when she calls now, because I know she wants something (money) from me, and it is hard for me to mask my anger, frustration, disappointment, and knowledge of where she’s heading.
Sadly for me, I mostly consider her yet another useless human being. I hope that changes soon.

My best friends daughter (also raised by him), is exactly the same way at 20 only already obese and not understanding why she “can’t find a good man” either.
His son has learned the hard lesson that only he is responsible his life and there is no help for him like what the “girls” get.

Thank you for sharing that story. That’s a heartbreaker of a story. I’m sorry.

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