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Anonymous3It’s one of the biggest differences between men and women. Women simply do not grasp the concept of true friendship or brotherhood, and betrayal.
When two men become brothers, there’s no turning back. It’s like joining a gang, the mafia, a brotherhood, a club, once you become one, it’s as if you become a member of a team and you fought alongside your fellow teammates, you’re one of them for life. If our bond gets to that point where we’re brothers, then either we’re brothers, or we’re nothing. You don’t get to just, one day, when you feel like it, when it’s convenient, decide to “downgrade” the relationship, tell the other guy that “I don’t like being your brother anymore, let’s just be friends”. Then maybe in the future, when you and your new best friend don’t work out, come back and start again. It doesn’t work like that. As men, we inherently understand this.
To women, it’s all a f~~~ing game. They flip back and forth whenever they feel like it. They’re the scoundrels, the backstabbers, the traitors. Only a woman can come to you and basically say “I’m going to f~~~ and suck so and so’s dick now instead of yours. But I still find you useful in some way so let’s remain friends”, not have any qualms, and have the audacity to expect a “yes okay” response.
Go your own way and distance yourself from women is the best option. But if you’re still in the grinder for whatever reason, never demean yourself and comply to this nonsense. Don’t let them play the woman card on you. Either they rise up to your level, and send them to Kingdom Come.
I agree. Women have no integrity and they don’t understand it. Once the trust is broken there’s no getting it back, and they just don’t understand why.
"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."
Anonymous3Men do that all the time too. You’re lucky as a man to find 2-3 really close “brothers” as you put it that will be around your entire life.
The vast majority of men have the same idea towards friendship as women do, a matter of mere convenience and if they can get some benefit from it.
From experiences with men, women see that affection and lust overrides loyalty at times (when men are drunk on love), so they expect it to stay that way. Once drunkenness subsides, relationships plateau out and trust and loyalty become staples of relationship; but women still expect affection to be above that ~ they ruin trust or loyalty but expect relationships to survive on pure affection. Because they love differently and fail to understand men’s feelings. If they do understand trust and loyalty – they see it as some artificial construct and not something hardwired as men do. Men evolved to cooperate as a group, so they need trust and loyalty. Women didn’t need that; on the contrary – they evolved to switch sides when it’s beneficial.
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Anonymous3Men do that all the time too. You’re lucky as a man to find 2-3 really close “brothers” as you put it that will be around your entire life.
The vast majority of men have the same idea towards friendship as women do, a matter of mere convenience and if they can get some benefit from it.
They certainly do too. Good quality people in general are few and far between. It’s one of those things like genius level of mastery in say, music. Very selected few can achieve the artistry the likes of Beethoven, Bach, and Mozart, but that doesn’t make artistic expression any less of a male virtue.
Ultimately, it’s a male concept, and only men “get” it.
Men do that all the time too. You’re lucky as a man to find 2-3 really close “brothers” as you put it that will be around your entire life.
The vast majority of men have the same idea towards friendship as women do, a matter of mere convenience and if they can get some benefit from it.
That’s not what I’ve seen. Men seem to stay loyal until a woman enters there live and sabotages his brother relationships.
Of course, physical distance and other things will get in the way at times, but women are the main reason men do not maintain relationships like they use to.
Ok. Then do it.
Women lie like fish swim.
How they swim with a bicycle is the f~~~ed up part. .
Anonymous3Men do that all the time too. You’re lucky as a man to find 2-3 really close “brothers” as you put it that will be around your entire life.
The vast majority of men have the same idea towards friendship as women do, a matter of mere convenience and if they can get some benefit from it.
That’s not what I’ve seen. Men seem to stay loyal until a woman enters there live and sabotages his brother relationships.
Of course, physical distance and other things will get in the way at times, but women are the main reason men do not maintain relationships like they use to.
Not much loyalty if a woman’s mere presence can destroy it all.
Anonymous18By associating with a woman (outside of necessity and especially in a romantic relationship) you enable her.
A woman upgrades her own image/delusions by exploiting the male sex drive. Who or what she downgrades in the process doesn’t register – its her prerogative. It’s her solipsism.
Anonymous11It’s quite easy to “downgrade” your current relationship when you have a gaggle of c~~~s jockeying for access. It’s a damn blue pill bidding war that women take full advantage.
It simply does not matter that the wallet who put her through school and paid for countless dinners did anything for her. Once she’s done extracting resources, it’s over. She’ll either monkey branch via hypergamy or find some loser Chad to subsidize. Either way, your goose will be cooked.
Give them nothing.
From experiences with men, women see that affection and lust overrides loyalty at times (when men are drunk on love), so they expect it to stay that way. Once drunkenness subsides, relationships plateau out and trust and loyalty become staples of relationship; but women still expect affection to be above that ~ they ruin trust or loyalty but expect relationships to survive on pure affection. Because they love differently and fail to understand men’s feelings. If they do understand trust and loyalty – they see it as some artificial construct and not something hardwired as men do. Men evolved to cooperate as a group, so they need trust and loyalty. Women didn’t need that; on the contrary – they evolved to switch sides when it’s beneficial.
So true, now that we have research and data I feel it is imperative to start to really get down to the nitty-gritty and face the biological differences between the sexes. Women are not biologically programmed to be loyal they are biologically programmed to make men fight and to then mate with the victor. This is why French women “mated” with occupying German soldiers during WWII “love” sadly had nothing to do with it, not only because the Germans had seized power through force but precisely because they were German and females are biologically set up to seek diversity for good genetic traits in their offspring. Men are loyal and easily fall into hierarchies because we know only strength and smarts survive and only in numbers. We have no time for IDEALZ only REALZ and before the age of the feminized mangina, we were on a pretty steady upclimb. It is high time to take back our place in the natural order this can not last much longer, there must be bloodshed.
I am of the firm opinion that I don’t really give a rats ass that a woman, or anyone else for that matter, downgrades whatever they consider as their “relationships”.
I am not involved, so it doesn’t affect me.
When my friendships/relationships end or drop by the wayside, I consider the value and effect of that interaction, then I continue my journey through my life to wherever and whenever it takes me.
I came into this world naked, bald, wrinkled, and alone. I’m going out the same way. I’m just here for the experience good or bad, hopefully learning and teaching something alone the way.There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
Women thoughts are based on your utility, what will you give to her and at what cost.
Most manginas give them everything that women want for free. But to get a credit card, she will need to marry one, and that will be fine to her, but for a bigger credit, she will just divorce and marry another guy, that’s fine too, she doesn’t give a s~~~.
Females just hang around females so they can complain about everything and put their fat ass above the other females, they just invite friends to go out, because they need other girls to feel confident.
They don’t have strong friendship bonds, honor or integrity, one example ? One of my ex gfs was the best friend of the my ex gf before her, they have no honor ! They don’t give a damn s~~~, they just want profit, an easy life, something desired to other women so they will be jealous about her life and attention, no matter the cost, they will risk their family, to ride the c~~~ carousel just to feel free, desired and get attention from other men.
Another example, is how many woman/woman friendships are ruined because one is “a bitch”, that means, get more attention from men, so if they hangout together the other one became invisible.
It’s quite easy to “downgrade” your current relationship when you have a gaggle of c~~~s jockeying for access. It’s a damn blue pill bidding war that women take full advantage.
It simply does not matter that the wallet who put her through school and paid for countless dinners did anything for her. Once she’s done extracting resources, it’s over. She’ll either monkey branch via hypergamy or find some loser Chad to subsidize. Either way, your goose will be cooked.
Give them nothing.
That is dating/LTR/Marriage in a nut shell.
Temporary pleasures, on vacation, under an alias, with a latex barrier.
Let them enjoy fending for themselves. The government will tax us more and more to subsidize this nonsense. The economy will collapse.
I will be on my small yacht in the Caribbean following the trade winds.
- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein
Anonymous3Women thoughts are based on your utility, what will you give to her and at what cost.
Most manginas give them everything that women want for free. But to get a credit card, she will need to marry one, and that will be fine to her, but for a bigger credit, she will just divorce and marry another guy, that’s fine too, she doesn’t give a s~~~.
Females just hang around females so they can complain about everything and put their fat ass above the other females, they just invite friends to go out, because they need other girls to feel confident.
They don’t have strong friendship bonds, honor or integrity, one example ? One of my ex gfs was the best friend of the my ex gf before her, they have no honor ! They don’t give a damn s~~~, they just want <strong class=”d4pbbc-bold”>profit, an easy life, something desired to other women so they will be jealous about her life and attention, no matter the cost, they will risk their family, to ride the c~~~ carousel just to feel <strong class=”d4pbbc-bold”>free, desired and get attention from other men.
Another example, is how many woman/woman friendships are ruined because one is “a bitch”, that means, get more attention from men, so if they hangout together the other one became invisible.
And most of this is the fault of men, who insist on giving everything to women with no conditions or strings attached.
Men of a hundred years ago did not consider women their equals. They didn’t believe women were better workers or could manage finances.
Men of that era handled things on their end and managed women. They were the “head of the household” and that meant putting in rules and restrictions. The provider has the burden of supporting others, but then has the right to rule them and have authority over them. The provider and protector is to be obeyed and followed.
Women said no to the rules and authority, but instead of men turning around and saying no to providing and protecting, men collectively said okay you can call the shots but I get keep providing and protecting.
MGTOW look at that and think these men are retarded. And so we opt out. And in fact women bungled things so badly, MGTOW won’t even come back if they DID want to listen and obey, because we don’t care for the protector and provider role. They are BURDENS that no man that has had his eyes opened wants to take up again. That is something you can trick a 20 year old virgin into agreeing to in order to marry a 16 year old virgin for life. It’s not something you can ever convince a 35 year old male to do for a 30 year old female. But women are not chaste now at 20, let alone at 30, so it’s even more ridiculous to think it will work.
They built society this way because they assumed men are stupid. That is the basis of feminism, and that’s why they laugh at men being stupid. Only stupid men could possibly agree to this setup. They aren’t worried about MGTOW in terms of our numbers, we are small, they’re more hysteric that more men will see us, find out about us, read us and learn from us, and then education will pull them out of their stupidity. Women understand this, and so they attack MGTOW. Blue pill men follow women, so they attack too. The only question is if women have already filled their role of being useful idiots and are no longer needed, so if the elites care enough to do anything about us or not.
Not much loyalty if a woman’s mere presence can destroy it all.
How much of that can you blame on a man though? Sure he did it, but when society in general tells him that’s what he’s supposed to do, you can’t throw all the blame on him.
A 100 years ago, a man didn’t have to chase after a woman. He did not need to consider losing her because he was married and that commitment meant something. Now, it does not. If he does not chase, he will lose her. If he does take what he is given now, he doesn’t know when it will be available again. If he choses loyalty to a man over dedication to a woman, he will be labeled as selfish or gay.
Not right by any means, but it is what is.
Ok. Then do it.
They built society this way because they assumed men are stupid.
I usually agree with you, but I’m going to disagree again. You are giving women way too much credit. They don’t assume men are stupid, because that means they understand what’s going on in the first place. That means that they actually had a plan beyond immediate gratification,analyzed life beyond surface level, or bothered to consider cause and effect. They assumed they have it figured out.
No, they don’t believe men who fall into their trap are stupid. They think this men are smart because they are thinking the exact same way that they think.
Ok. Then do it.
Anonymous3Not much loyalty if a woman’s mere presence can destroy it all.
How much of that can you blame on a man though? Sure he did it, but when society in general tells him that’s what he’s supposed to do, you can’t throw all the blame on him.
A 100 years ago, a man didn’t have to chase after a woman. He did not need to consider losing her because he was married and that commitment meant something. Now, it does not. If he does not chase, he will lose her. If he does take what he is given now, he doesn’t know when it will be available again. If he choses loyalty to a man over dedication to a woman, he will be labeled as selfish or gay.
Not right by any means, but it is what is.
All of it.
Women like to sit around and blame everything in their lives on external conditions, coming up with nutty conspiracy theories of a worldwide patriarchy that seeks to “oppress” women. They are incapable of agency.
We as men, we do not do that. We do not play the victim. We do not make excuses.
It is not a woman that orders a man around and FORCES him to behave as a blue pill man. It is HIS choice. He doesn’t care about his friends or his word or honor or integrity, so he throws all of that away and uses a woman as an excuse, because deep down inside he never gave a s~~~ about his supposed friend. If the woman leaves, he goes back and wants to act like it wasn’t his fault, he doesn’t want agency, he doesn’t want accountability, and he thinks he can fool the moron of a friend into accepting that.
Well I am not that stupid, and you are not either. I have plenty of married friends. Their wives I don’t necessarily get along with as well, but I understand they’re women and will say annoying and stupid things here and there. I pretty much ignore them. But if there’s something I need or if my male friends say they will do something, both he and his wife will make sure to do whatever it is for me.
That is because those few men I truly consider close friends are genuinely friends, and not men just playing around pretending they are.
If you’ve never had those types of friends, you don’t know what OP is referring to. At most you will meet 2-3 of these types in your lifetime, and they will likely be from your childhood. I can go years without seeing them, and it doesn’t matter, the second we meet up again or either of us needs something we’ll drop everything from across the world and do it.
Anonymous3They built society this way because they assumed men are stupid.
I usually agree with you, but I’m going to disagree again. You are giving women way too much credit. They don’t assume men are stupid, because that means they understand what’s going on in the first place. That means that they actually had a plan beyond immediate gratification,analyzed life beyond surface level, or bothered to consider cause and effect. They assumed they have it figured out.
No, they don’t believe men who fall into their trap are stupid. They think this men are smart because they are thinking the exact same way that they think.
So which is it? Are women able to control a man and force him to do anything she wants, or is it men that choose? You have a contradictory view in those two stances.
But women are very intelligent. They feign lack of intelligence to you and other men. I was always considered “pretty” so they don’t hide this stuff from me. They were feeding me the red pill ever since I turned 16 years old, and suddenly wound up getting endless amounts of attention from females in school.
And it continued in college and grad school, where they’d basically tell me how feminism was a complete lie and they didn’t really think any of the stuff they claimed. They’d openly attack other men while just giggling and smiling at me, and encouraging me to just “sport f~~~” women and that they’d do that if they were a man too. They know everything that they’re doing. They just aren’t honest.
That is why after marriage a lot of times women start dropping the act, it’s hard for them to keep it up for years and decades.
Women know what they’re doing. Most woman are smarter socially than most men. They can think 4-5 steps ahead socially, how to best manipulate a network and control it. I can see it but I can’t really keep up that well, it drains me trying to play that game. Women can effortlessly slide in and out of whatever manipulation tactic they choose as well. Their end goal is usually marriage and sucking up resources, while keeping more options open for themselves, but things change depending on time, her age, and her options.
And most of this is the fault of men, who insist on giving everything to women with no conditions or strings attached.
Men of a hundred years ago did not consider women their equals. They didn’t believe women were better workers or could manage finances.
Men of that era handled things on their end and managed women. They were the “head of the household” and that meant putting in rules and restrictions. The provider has the burden of supporting others, but then has the right to rule them and have authority over them. The provider and protector is to be obeyed and followed.
Women said no to the rules and authority, but instead of men turning around and saying no to providing and protecting, men collectively said okay you can call the shots but I get keep providing and protecting.
MGTOW look at that and think these men are retarded. And so we opt out. And in fact women bungled things so badly, MGTOW won’t even come back if they DID want to listen and obey, because we don’t care for the protector and provider role. They are BURDENS that no man that has had his eyes opened wants to take up again. That is something you can trick a 20 year old virgin into agreeing to in order to marry a 16 year old virgin for life. It’s not something you can ever convince a 35 year old male to do for a 30 year old female. But women are not chaste now at 20, let alone at 30, so it’s even more ridiculous to think it will work.
They built society this way because they assumed men are stupid. That is the basis of feminism, and that’s why they laugh at men being stupid. Only stupid men could possibly agree to this setup. They aren’t worried about MGTOW in terms of our numbers, we are small, they’re more hysteric that more men will see us, find out about us, read us and learn from us, and then education will pull them out of their stupidity. Women understand this, and so they attack MGTOW. Blue pill men follow women, so they attack too. The only question is if women have already filled their role of being useful idiots and are no longer needed, so if the elites care enough to do anything about us or not.
Absolutely right. Since old times there is this family organisation, and was this kind of behaviour that let our society grew.
I like the way that you express you ideas in your answer. I’ve seen so much propaganda on dating single moms, to get a family, romantic love, did you ever considered how much market niches won’t exist if MGTOW have more followers ?
Propaganda on single moms are something that the maybe the state is behind that. They are just trying to find someone to assume this moneysucking kind of problem.
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