Islam Attacked America Since Our Inception

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

I often hear arguments from liberals that Islam attacks America or other Western countries out of retaliation. This is a flat out lie. They have declared war on every non-muslim people group for hundreds of years, and they initiated it on America

Islam was directly responsible for the development of the United States Navy and for the concepts that allowed for its deployment far from our coasts. The American Navy is not a river navy or coastal defense force; it is a global tool of American power whose origins can be traced directly back to an earlier American-Islam confrontation. After the American Revolution, pirates from the Barbary states (Algiers, Morcoco) attacked American shipping off the coast of North Africa in the Mediterranean and took the crews. This piracy against American shipping started in 1784 and finally ended in 1815. The Islamic rulers of these Barbary States demanded payment of tribute from the new country and it was paid, and paid. President Jefferson sent a naval force against the pirates in 1803-05. The Marine Corps were also sent in and after a long overland march, took the city of Tripoli in 1805 (thus “to the shores of Tripoli” in the Marine Corps hymn). Is the Somali piracy of today related to the Barbary pirates of the early 19th century? When then Ambassadors Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with the Ambassador from Tripoli in 1785, to reach a solution to the attacks against American shipping and crews they were dragged into a dark world in which we are still today.

“When they inquired by what right the Barbary states preyed upon American shipping, enslaving both crews and passengers, America’s two foremost envoys were informed that “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.” (Source)

The Barbary piracy was based upon the doctrine of Islam, calling for endless war against the unbeliever everywhere, including at sea

When Jefferson became president in 1801 he refused to accede to Tripoli’s demands for an immediate payment of $225,000 and an annual payment of $25,000. The pasha of Tripoli then declared war on the United States. Although as secretary of state and vice president he had opposed developing an American navy capable of anything more than coastal defense, President Jefferson dispatched a squadron of naval vessels to the Mediterranean. As he declared in his first annual message to Congress: “To this state of general peace with which we have been blessed, one only exception exists. Tripoli, the least considerable of the Barbary States, had come forward with demands unfounded either in right or in compact, and had permitted itself to denounce war, on our failure to comply before a given day. The style of the demand admitted but one answer. I sent a small squadron of frigates into the Mediterranean. . . .”

We can trace the development of the US Navy directly to Thomas Jefferson’s interaction with jihadist pirates. President Obama was right about the “Islamic faith” having “done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country,” but probably not in the way that he had intended. The development of our national defense capabilities are fundamentally linked with an American conflict with Islam in 1805. John Quincy Adams didn’t have to deal with the Barbary States directly as president, but his father John Adams did. Considered one of the most brilliant men to sit in the White House, JQ Adams is particularly perceptive about Islam. His warnings on the matter ring as true today as they did more than 100 years ago. The Islam that Adams discusses is the same Islam we see today.

John Quincy Adams possessed a remarkably clear, uncompromised understanding of the permanent Islamic institutions of jihad war and dhimmitude. Regarding jihad, Adams states in his essay series,

“…he [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind…The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.”

Confirming Adams’ assessment, the late Muslim scholar, Professor Majid Khadduri, wrote the following in his authoritative 1955 treatise on jihad, War and Peace in the Law of Islam :

“Thus the jihad may be regarded as Islam’s instrument for carrying out its ultimate objective by turning all people into believers, if not in the prophethood of Muhammad (as in the case of the dhimmis), at least in the belief of God. …The universality of Islam, in its all embracing creed, is imposed on the believers as a continuous process of warfare, psychological and political if not strictly military.”3 source.

https://civilusdefendus.wordpress.com/civil-defense/200-year-old-islamic-pirates/

Resident cynic.

[HitmanParticipant]

[RoyDalParticipant]

That culture has been raiding non-Muslim nations for slaves and material treasure since the 700s, which is centuries before the crusades began. It was raiding England and Ireland at least one century before the English planted their first colonies in New England.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

RoyDal wrote:

That culture has been raiding non-Muslim nations for slaves and material treasure since the 700s, which is centuries before the crusades began. It was raiding England and Ireland at least one century before the English planted their first colonies in New England.

Be careful RD,

Some people here think its all a hoax. After all – the terrorists who brutally murdered 150+ innocent victims in a night club tonight were killed by authorities.

That right there is evidence of a conspiracy <—sarcasm.

Im so f~~~ing sick of conspiracy retards…

Give me YOUR plausible explanation of these events that out wieghs the eye wittness accounts of terrorist Jihads.

Lets hear it you tin foil hat wearing social deviants.

Resident cynic.

[Anonymous 3]

I think this is a war we’re going to lose. I don’t know the when or the how, but it seems just a matter of time.

I don’t think our leaders, and especially our women, will stop their divisive, failed attacks on America until it’s too late. Well, probably Europe is going to fall first though.

It’s funny, I’ve told people before this is what Islam is, but do you know the reactions I get? I always get yelled at and told I am a psycho or something. But the history is right there, just people refuse to read it. And I don’t know whether Muslims are lying to people’s faces, or just most Muslims really believe they are peaceful or what, but they all insist those aren’t their beliefs, and people believe them.

But in terms of conspiracy theories, I’m not so sure ISIS is the real threat. ISIS is there to draw attention away from all the other Muslims, who are invading and claim to have no ties to it.

[Just a ManParticipant 934]

The wealthy have ALWAYS ran the show. Please understand that wealthy does NOT preclude white. They simply know that we are the enemy to their agenda. All divisions are being used against men. It is just that some are more easily manipulated than others. Thus the c~~~s.
This is MGTOW and we roll correctly. We shake our heads after being hit and decide another way to win….we walk the f~~~ away. We must become our own sovereign beings. There are choices and we, as INDIVIDUALS, which makes us men, must decide for ourselves.

Try to enslave us and we will live and die accordingly. Take your c~~~ movements and see what happens to us MEN. We will laugh at you and die like a MAN..

Sorry I made you females wet that read this. Now go f~~~ yourselves. Or your “new” men will, whether you want it or not.

Philosophy, the female repellent

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Obvious concern troll is obvious.

[HimeoParticipant 471]

Anonymous wrote:

I think this is a war we’re going to lose. I don’t know the when or the how, but it seems just a matter of time.

We aren’t fighting this war to win it. As is evident by our current tactics. We stall, we defend, we keep up the appearance of safety.

Here’s the thing: Our culture is “reasonable”. Most people are “reasonable”. Most “Muslims” are “reasonable”.

Our enemies are NOT “reasonable.” They are MOST “unreasonable”.

Historically, we have BEEN “unreasonable” to MAKE “unreasonable” people ACT “reasonable”. Saddam Hussein, a very “unreasonable” man, kept a tight lid on Iraq. North Korea has been led for generations by very “unreasonable” men. Living under “unreasonable” people is miserable.

Our Leaders and their masters do not want to be “unreasonable”. Therefore, we have lost.

[HitmanParticipant]

Himeo wrote:

Our Leaders and their masters do not want to be “unreasonable”. Therefore, we have lost.

they want to be seen as politically correct . that’s the main problem ..feminist indoctrinated media ..they play to the camera , instead of doing the right thing .

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

This is yet another quality thread by AncientBulls~~~ and Phoenix the Imbecile. It is like a rabid dog, and like a rabid dog I will put it out of its misery:

Barbary Pirates ≠ Islam in General
1 – Barbary pirates in North Africa do not represent Islam any more than paedophile priests, the conquistadores, or the Salem witch trials represent Christianity. Rather, Rothbard said that the state is gang of thieves writ large; the pirates were just more overtly so than the current crop of politicians.
No Continuous Conflict
2 – These incidents took place in 1805, yet the title of this post implies Muslim entities if not all Muslims continually attacking the country. The next time the United States would go to war against a majority-Muslim state would be World War 1. I am omitting, of course, the Sumatran expeditions which involved less than 1’000 people and it was questionable whether the Aceh Sultanate was directly involved. To state only that a conflict was initiated without also stating it was concluded is disingenuous. In the case of the Barbary wars, both were concluded by treaty.
Fallacy of Aggregation, Islam not Root Cause
3 – If indeed Islam in general, and thus Muslims in general “attacked American since [its] inception”, one would expect a more uniform distribution of attacks from the Muslim world. Instead, what we see are primarily Saudi, US-backed organisations i.e. Al Qaeda, Islamic State causing trouble. There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, and the three largest populations reside in Indonesia, Pakistan, and India. Were Islam in general the root of a continuous conflict, one would expect to see attacks made by organisations originating from Muslims from these countries, or by organisations within their borders. A more plausible explanation for many attacks against the United States from Muslims would be blowback from meddling in their affairs, establishing and propping up a veritable den of brutal dictators, in addition to an equally brutal Zionist regime.

Therefore, the article quoted in the original post is full of fallacies of composition, red herrings, and non-sequitors. AncietBulls~~~’s preceding commentary was likewise nonsense, as was Phoenix the Imbecile’s subsequent reply.

Piracy is as old as man’s ability to sail. I am sure that the Sea Peoples that harassed the Egyptians during the 20th Dynasty had nothing to do with the much-maligned Muslims.

[DybbukParticipant 182]

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