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In all this I am feeling like a fake here. I have no idea how to find my own way, and have to even wear a label of this or that, even MGTOW. I am just trying to live. And I am deciding what to do with the YouTube channel. I need to get something out of life, and not just pay it forward. I see part of MGTOW as not fitting anywhere, and I don’t even feel like I fit in MGTOW now, as if it is anything. And I refuse to try to turn it into some sort of religion or cult that I have to safeguard and keep “Da wimmin, Manginas, Blue Pill, white knights, the BBC, ABC, Do Ray Me, etc…” out. As of now, I need stuff to help and get my sanity. I don’t need to keep paying it forward. I am burnt out. Yes, I lost a job I had again. I feel shame, and am in shock. I need stuff, I need to get resources, not be drained and discarded. I need to bargain better. And I don’t need to try to placate this list of acceptability, and feel that what I do is going to cause shock and ire by those I only know by a label. Well, I better get to sleep. I am just fed up now. I am tired of talking here. I need a life damn it.
I think sometimes we can all feel desperate when we feel we don’t “have our ducks in a row”, brother.
Sometimes our personal situations, such as finances, or our basic state of general well-being can very much dictate “where we are going”. As you’ve stated, you feel you’re struggling a bit with a couple of things. It’s very difficult to feel positive when you aren’t really sure of where or when your next paycheque is coming from.
The world can feel like it’s closing in on you when you don’t necessarily feel “in control” of the circumstances we’re in. You’ve expressed concern about being on welfare, losing out on a job again, and your MGTOW channel. You’ve expressed that you feel shame for this, shock for this; so on and so forth. Here’s the thing though, Rich. You’re honest about it. It’s not like you’re trying to crawl under a rock, and pretend to be someone else to feel better. You’re you, and you know exactly where you are and at the moment, maybe not so much where you’re going.
You aren’t pretending to be anyone other than who you are, despite your current state of affairs. And I have to tell you. For my two cents, I personally admire your courage and tenacity in following the truth. There are a hell of a lot of people in this world who choose to just lay down, be someone else, and say “f~~~ it”. But you are fighting it. That in and of itself says a lot about you to me. It takes courage to be yourself, when you don’t want to be yourself, or don’t have the choice.
Feeling tired, utterly tired…………..f~~~ing worn to the bone. This is a feeling I can relate to. Things blur together. Things that used to make sense, suddenly don’t seem to make as much sense. Sometimes we want to focus on others, if only to get the hell away from ourselves for a while.
We all need a rest from time to time, brother. And at this point, I don’t think it really matters what anyone else is doing, in your given situation. Those who care about you will give you support. Those who do not, well you won’t have to worry much. Because they won’t be around.
In my opinion, richardhutnik needs to focus on richardhutnik, not MGTOW, not anything else. Building or rebuilding one’s self is f~~~ing hard work, and it can drain you down to your last fiber, man. You’re a MGHOW, so if it’s needed, you have my support Richard.
I honestly think you are tired as hell man, and might just really need a break. Maybe focusing solely on securing what you feel to be meaningful employment for a time might alleviate feeling so many mixed-up emotions at once brother. Just my opinion, and we all know what those are like.
Anonymous42Do you feel that each time a man marries, MGTOW is losing a battle?
Absolutely not, he’ll be divorced someday and possibly a future MGTOW, besides I don’t give a flying f~~~ anymore when it comes to men foolishly jumping into the carnal hell of gynocentric governmental matrimony enslaving himself as a disposable cash cartridge for gynocracy to rape, rob, and plunder!
My entire life has been lived in the slaughter house of feminism, do you mean to tell me these marry’go’round idiots don’t know? They don’t see all the blood? The guts of other men legally pulled through their assholes?
I know many more horror stories than happily ever after stories, and the happily ever after stories are all in their 70’s and eighties. I see and know young married blue-pill men that have the same sense of direction as a chained dog.
I think feminism is the worst onslaught of human misery the world has never seen!
When you live in a war zone, pain suffering and misery become all to common, I’m totally desensitized and live in a foxhole made from dead men’s bones.
My indifference is absolute and permanent.
I think most men who marry do it in the belief that they’ve found a unicorn instead of a flea bitten donkey.
The problem is that most men know that the red pill is true at some deeper level but giving up on the fantasy of finding a NAWALT is a very tough thing for people to accept which is why i think most men live in denial and ignore that gut feeling that everything they’re being told is a lie.
Every man has to walk his own path in life so i don’t personally begrudge other men who choose to marry. We can only show them the door, they’re the ones who have to walk through it.
I kinda feel sad for those poor bastards that marry “for love”. They will never find it, anyway.
But, my way is my way, and if it was affected by anyone other than me, then it is not my own way.
I always offer shelter from the s~~~storm, because I believe that every man should be saved from the shackles of marriage and feminism, but if that same man want to jump into the fire, then all that he will hear from me is “good luck with that”.
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
So, as I keep saying, I need to live MGTOW stuff more than the label. I am in the process of trying to find what to do with my life, beyond MGTOW label stuff. It is just so easy to talk MGTOW to fill in a void in my life, crank out YouTube videos and so on. Maybe I’ll do weekly videos about my life for my YouTube channel when I get back, and get to things. I swear some are seeing MGTOW as a meal ticket, and riding it into some sort of revolution, or advancement of career, with the norm not being identifying who you are to the world, out of fear of negative ramifications? Really?
So, here is my last message on YouTube I put up about personal happiness vs compliance with the standards of what is “real MGTOW”:
There is an internal contradiction in all this, which probably needs to be figured out anyhow. I did get enough sleep, and watched a movie this morning, but all I can say is if my way consists of being on welfare, not able to hold a job, sit around and watch movies all day, and end up staying with family the rest of my life, that REALLY sucks, and isn’t a way I want. I am tired of this.
So, I press on. I will come and go as a wind as I figure it out. I welcome any allies and trade partners, if I can get them. This is on the personal level actually, not under some sort of “MGTOW” or any other label. Maybe I can get a breakthrough.
Ok, I am out for now. Not sure how long now will be.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
The only thing that impact me is when other men keep blabbering on and on and on and on about women. It seriously p~~~es me off! It’s about as interesting as someone lecturing me on origami for hours on end. Only difference is when you say “I don’t care about origami” most people listen, when it comes to women they don’t…
One day I’m gonna explode, or possibly find something they don’t have an interest in and read up on it to the point where I can teach them all the ins and outs of the subject until they throw up!The only impact married men have on me is when I look at them and think sucks to be that guy…one more reminder not to get married. I never looked at it like every guy getting married is a victory for women and a defeat for MGTOW because in theory, if all men boycotted marriage and marriage/divorce laws were drastically changed, its not improving the quality of woman out there. All the post wall sluts desperate for marriage are still going to be the same, all the gold diggers are going to be the same, all the crazy women are still going to be the same…so what if the marriage contract were to f~~~ me a little less, if the relationship is still not worth the time or effort who cares about the marriage.
I know many people my age that have married or are in LTR’s. But I know more people my age that aren’t in a relationship and never plan to be. The world is waking up to MGTOW. They may not call it that, but men everywhere are learning that women just don’t offer any benefit to them. I’ve tried to save several friends, who have rejected my advice and then confessed to me later that they wish they had taken my advice and not gotten involved with her/married her. But they’re kind of stuck and don’t know what to do. You get trapped. It’s not fun.
This is my experience in life as well. I’m in my early 30s…an age where previous generations a majority was married. Most of my friends and coworkers that are +/- 5 years or so of my age are unwed. Of the unwed ones most of us don’t really run from women…its just we don’t think they are worth much effort. Maybe you stumble upon one you date for a while here and there but if you have to put effort into it its more worthwhile putting that effort into other pursuits in life. Even most of the ones that have a long term gf they’ve had for a couple years or more, it seems like the woman talks about marriage and the guys just ignore it. They’ve kind of worked themselves into a hole…if a woman is 23 and desperately wants to get married and gives someone an ultimatum, they still have time to find someone else. If they try the same s~~~ at 30+ its just like big f~~~ing deal…I’ll just go date a 26 year old after I show you the door. I hope that 10+ years of c~~~ carousel was worth it for them lol.
What they do doesn’t impact me.
But what’s done to them impacted me so much that it made me go MGTOW.I’m sick of seeing men get f~~~ed over and i’m sick of watching my friends kill themselves.
Anonymous11Very much so for me.
The more I watch other men in action. The more MGHOW I become. I do have one real MGHOW friend to whom I mentioned MGTOW as he’d never heard of it, and he’s been looking into it. I had to f~~~ up for 12 more years after he wrote women off before I finally woke up to reality.
@beer and AppleJack: In my early thirties people were asking me why I wasn’t married. At 48, no one says a damn thing anymore. Marriage is for fools and women qualify by default.
@rich: Your video stuck a chord with me. I’m barely making it too after being booted out 5 years ago from a high paying job for a multi-national corporation. I followed the STEM path and did quite well for a number of years and then became redundant after my employer was purchased by a bigger fish. I got booted at the worst part of the job market with a skinflint severance package. I spent 15 months searching for work the old fashioned way with zero results. My longest known friend blew his brains out undergoing the same thing I did, and I snapped started going my own way. I started slinging my IT skills under my LLC. The competition is really stiff too. We’ve got out of town IT firms moving here to expand territory and biting into the local pie. I even help my friend do menial manual labor jobs too. I’ve even established some relationships with some of the local IT companies where I’ll help them troubleshoot weird problems as I’m a stellar troubleshooter. Women are a part of MGTOW for me. In fact, this wench who recently leveraged me to re-engage her ex got hit hard too by this depression we’re in so women are getting popped too. Friends and family must stick together. MGTOW is all encompassing for me. Hang in there man, I know it’s tough.
On the job front, things fell apart with me since 2004. I am not sure what to do even now, and I couldn’t even hold down a temp retail job I actually enjoyed doing. I am really, really stumped now. My identity is on the shattered side. I am not sure what to do, or where to go. I keep doing this impulse thing of wanting to do community building and management, to my folly, and it doesn’t work out. I am seeing if maybe I can get a support group where I am currently going. I am just burnt out on everything, and shellshocked about things. I don’t feel I should open my mouth now about anything.
I even tried to contact journalists about things, seeing if I could get a break and this happened:
http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2010/03/this-is-why-welfare-sucks/I became the subject of a blog post, on why welfare sucks. According to her, I should of at least got a job with Wendy’s or something. It goes on and on. I am done now. Maybe some miracle I get a local support group started. Another reply to the article referenced said that I should kill myself so a guy’s taxes would be lower.
Anyhow, I am out again I guess. Not sure what else to write here at all.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Anonymous42@richard, You’re correct about one doing his own thing, I hope you find gainful employment. Don’t let it get you down, MGTOW is still young, look at the Mayor, he put the rubber to the road by helping homeless men provide for themselves.
The economy sucks all over, it’s been s~~~ for 15 years now, I’m still liquidating my stuff to gain some kind of a footing again, Freeing myself of material goods has been liberating, no more fix this, fix that, fix the other thing.
I’m paying 650.00 a month for an empty unfinished house I’m trying to sell. The country is in full decline, @full throttle! The foolish tax and spend policies combined with printing money has only accelerated and exacerbated an already bad situation. All my severely trashed income goes into bills and debt. I never had debt EVER until 2009, and things only got worse around here since then.
The hidden costs for all this political and legal folly is going to ruin this nation and collapse the entire system.
I’m feverishly preparing for that day.
Think about the young men you’re saving from certain doom by enlightening them with the facts.
The liberal gynocentric media ignores all the facts.
By exposing the ugly truth we “collectively” (you, me, others) give firm ground to base decisions on, not hyped up left wing fanatical bulls~~~ lies.
Every one of us is very much an intricate part of the message.
You never who YOU save from misery, or the depths of despair, by telling your “unique” story.
Hang in there brother, the bottom is sometimes deeper than expected.P.S. This gynocentric gynocracy has turned “responsibility” into a bad f~~~ing joke, told at the worse possible time, in the worst possible way! F~~~ RESPONSIBILITY! Take care of yourself first!
P.S. #2 I was humiliated in the city paper for my efforts on improving this failed subdivision, that was 1998. This place has become much more dilapidated and no longer safe for human habitation. That’s why we have HUD isn’t it??? That’s why we pay taxes isn’t it??? F~~~ RESPONSIBILITY!
Anonymous11Another reply to the article referenced said that I should kill myself so a guy’s taxes would be lower.
What kind of asshole would even suggest this? The mess my friend left behind hurt so many people.
According to her
Coming from the mouth of a c~~~, it means nothing. I think she should have STFU. F~~~ that sorry cold fish c~~~. I can’t believe they used you like that. I spent a year on unemployment. It was very humiliating and did not even come close to paying for the cost of living. Contrary to popular belief, unemployment sucks. It is not welfare as your employer pays a percentage into an insurance fund as part of the cost of hiring people. No tax payer dollars are involved. My State gives a paltry 13 weeks now as so many unemployed have drawn down the insurance fund. I can choose to voluntarily pay into it, but no thanks, I’ll keep my 2.9% of my gross for myself.
We’re embedded in a world gone f~~~ing mad. I literally bust my ass for scraps now. I’m just barely able to keep my nose above water for which I am thankful, but the price of food and everything else is really stressing me as it goes up, up and away. My identity was shattered too. It still is in some ways as I work irregularly, and it’s maddening. The Affordable Care Act has priced health insurance beyond my ability to pay. I f~~~ing laugh at the very name. I’ve always had the attitude no matter how bad things are they can always be worse. Man, I know so many guys our age in the same boat. My anxiety level is off the charts too. Some people get depressed, I get anxious.
Tomorrow, I’m loading my ladder onto my truck, grabbing my blower and finding some roofs that need to be blown clean. The important thing is to never give up no matter how dark things are. A lot of middle aged men and women are in our exact same position. I really loved the part of your video where you told about people telling that never married people with no children have no expenses. The fixed costs(shelter, transportation, taxes, etc) of single living are nearly identical that of families. I f~~~ing waste food, because nothing comes in single portions w/o charging you double. I hate that.
I’m also starting back my poultry operation selling bug feed organic eggs though I’m w/in city code at my scale. I might sell 3 dozen a week enough to pay for my property taxes. They command a serious premium being bug fed as I distribute them in a wealthy area. An acquaintance who is in our boat except with 6 children converted an outbuilding into a secret poultry operation. He sell eggs, meat, live chickens and quail too. The city inspector would have a heart attack. He feeds his family lots of chicken too. The government does not look out for our benefit as they sold us down the river so why should I care about their crony protecting rules.
@ RichardHutnik,
Regarding your trying to find work/being unable to find work this is something I still witness first hand. Being long term unemployed is quite common nowadays even for people with a lot of experience/degrees/masters degrees. I have 2 friends who have masters degrees who have had to move overseas to live as its the only place they could find employment. I was in I.T for 15 years myself, that has now become a field that is absolutely over saturated, the pay often abysmal, plus the skills required of you even more than before (after 15 years I had enough of MCSE’S and CCNA’s and other courses that I was expected to self fund). Add to that the overseas competition, i.e people who will work for less money as its enough for them to send back home (add to that you often find several of them shacking up together to save even more money).
All I can suggest is to look outside the state/country/look at different job fields (not always easy I know as employers don’t really trust people making a career change from I.T). If I didn’t have family here I’d probably be in a hot country teaching people english (as I did once in the past). If you have nothing really keeping you in U.S maybe you will have more success in another country.
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And ditto to c pigs comments, f~~~ that bitch, I hope she loses her job and a man takes it. Whoever made that comment about suicide, I’d say to them that that wouldn’t be before their homicide and even then f~~~ suicide.
Anyone who is seeking employment is entitled to help especially as its largely due to the countrys f’d up mismanagement/policies that there is so much unemployment in the first place. I would say try to not let it mess with your self esteem, sure we men are doers and generally don’t want hand outs but as long as you are trying to find work, you are entitled to it even if some c~~~ thinks otherwise.
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On the job front, things fell apart with me since 2004.
Yeah it can be brutal. There’s a circle-jerk involved once you lose a job. I was out of work for nearly a year when DoD government contractors were placed on a hiring freeze. 6 months is the killswitch. Once you hit 6 months unemployed, then its a massive uphill battle to get back into the job market. I applied to hundreds of jobs that I was easily qualified for. A buddy of mine that worked at one major company said that they post the jobs, let them sit for 6 months, then tell the government there’s no US citizens quality so they can bring in the foreign workers at half the salary.
The issue with applying for s~~~ jobs (Home Depot, Burger King, etc.) if your resume sends a flag that reads “This guy will bail the second he gets a job offer in his career field”.
Suck man.
I even tried to contact journalists about things, seeing if I could get a break and this happened:
http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2010/03/this-is-why-welfare-sucks/I became the subject of a blog post, on why welfare sucks. According to her, I should of at least got a job with Wendy’s or something. It goes on and on. I am done now. Maybe some miracle I get a local support group started. Another reply to the article referenced said that I should kill myself so a guy’s taxes would be lower.
Anyhow, I am out again I guess. Not sure what else to write here at all.
I have to say that, after reading the article, you’re in a bit of a pickle. Especially since you’re using your real name here and on YouTube, linking it with MGTOW, and the negative press you’ve already received. I did a google search of your name and this was on the second page:
richardhutnik's Profile | MGTOW www.mgtow.com/forums/users/richardhutnik/ Currently just trying to sort things on my own here in life, to get things to work. I have my own perspective of things. I am currently looking to get a YouTube ... Topic: Even if a woman is non-toxic, it doesn't mean she is a ... www.mgtow.com/.../even-if-a-woman-is-non-toxic-it-doesnt-mean-she-i... Aug 4, 2015 - 9 posts - 8 authors richardhutnik. Participant. 961. Topics 130; Replies 1009; Total 1139. Ok, the context I am using NAWALT here is this post, has to do with what ...I’m sure it’ll change based on the topic you reply to, but considering a majority of Human Resources personnel are female, seeing your name with “Even if a woman is non-toxic, it doesn’t mean she is a ….” probably won’t over over so well. Highly suggest you stop using your real life name online.
Best of luck.
Anonymous11@rebalanced: I’m working on bailing from IT too even though it pays my base bills. It is over-saturated. We’re getting companies moving into my city trying to expand their territory so they are dealing with the over saturation too.
Any employer with a legit job, is like the hot blonde sitting alone at the hotel bar.
What kind of asshole would even suggest this? The mess my friend left behind hurt so many people.
Someone who identifies with the “neoreaction” or dark enlightenment. Those queefers are bad people.
If you see my adverse reaction to the Trump support, and a number of comments I see, around MGTOWosphere, it is over stuff like that. It is also a reason why to not advertise victim the way SJWs do in life, thinking it will get me somewhere. What I do hope around MGTOW is maybe we can find a path of liberation and get on the right side of globalization.
I am left with the “How do I monetize myself” question, which is key to going my own way. It is critical to me going anywhere in life, and not just the teen in rebellion approach.
In the latest news, I also found out a company that canned me in December from call center work, ended up losing the account in July. They got funny with the rules, jumping direct to final warnings and letting me go. The account is gone. And that was after I was doing the Apple tech support for iOS out of the house for Apple through Kelly services for $9.15/hr and I had to provide the bandwidth. it was a train wreck, and they didn’t even give me an iOS device to use either. I made the front page of the local newspaper for landing the Apple job.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
@chauvinistpig, good move brother, I hear you on that.
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richardhutnik. Participant. 961. Topics 130; Replies 1009; Total 1139. Ok, the context I am using NAWALT here is this post, has to do with what …
I’m sure it’ll change based on the topic you reply to, but considering a majority of Human Resources personnel are female, seeing your name with “Even if a woman is non-toxic, it doesn’t mean she is a ….” probably won’t over over so well. Highly suggest you stop using your real life name online.Best of luck.
When you do a google my name, you find the article I listed in this article, at the top of the search. It is there. I have to actually go online MORE with my real name, and produce things, to offset what that is seen there. I am doubtful that an HR person is even going to know what a NAWALT is at all. And it would need to be in the context I use it, which is a woman that would be suitable for a man. Not all women are suitable for men. But, you are touching on something here also. I can’t afford to waste my time on anything that doesn’t build up a personal brand and gain employment or a job.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
When are we going to stand up and assert collectively that globalization is destroying us all. No its not socialist, yes it is “protectionism” and yes it is “populism” but both of those are negatively framed in our propaganda by “elitist” “fascists”. Oh and the much glorified “job creators” are “job destroyers” when it suits them.
If history is anything to go by, this will only be collectively asserted when the system has crashed and burnt and can no longer be denied. We just need to keep above water for now and prepare for rising from the ashes after the crash and burn.
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