Is military legit at all for MGTOW?

[LightBringerParticipant 440]

The attraction of a ‘masculine’ place is high, but I have heard horror stories of rampart feminism and religious zealotry.  In my 20s and making 50k with my college degree, its ok but leaves me unfufilled, is there ANY point to trying to get in?  The major thing I would consider if army warrant officer for helicopters, or Special Forces, but I have a really hard time buying the whole patriotic bulls~~~ and esp. with Killary likely being the next pres…

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Get some flying under your belt first. That will boost your trainability and may get you a head start.

Fixed wing will be cheaper than rotor….. but will give you the same overall skills.

As with all these things …. there’s a gamble. You may get called to action … but if you’re in a c~~~pit … you have betrer odds.

A good book to read is titled Chickenhawk by Robert Mason …. I think.

Good luck

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

LightBringer wrote:

The major thing I would consider if army warrant officer for helicopters, or Special Forces,

Good advice from ILiveAgain

ILiveAgain wrote:

Get some flying under your belt first. That will boost your trainability and may get you a head start.

I was a medic for over 25 years.  I served with (not in) special forces for about three years.  You DON’T enlist for special forces.  The have high requirements for their ASVAB.  They have a murderously physically challenging selection process. Special Forces Assessment and Selection has an upwards to 80% voluntary withdraw rate, and the selection rate from those that complete the process is even lower.

You enlist to be a soldier.  With your degree you could possibly come in as an officer.  Oddly enough, a lot of the enlisted Spec Ops troopers I met had college degrees.  I met one that had a doctorate in inorganic chemistry.  If you want to be a steely-eyed killer, I would suggest infantry.  But you have to APPLY to be Special Forces after you are in uniform.  If this is a goal for you I suggest you research the physical demands of the selection process.  Also, I would strooooooongly recommend that you don’t go Special Forces if you have flat feet.

 

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I could never picture myself a brainwashed slave killing other people for a stupid cause. But I am a pacifist. I have had enough brainwashing growing up in the Soviet Union already.

The only cause I could see myself fighting for is for freedom from totalitarian regime.
I am well aware that this comment could bite me in the ass in the future, but so be it. Give me liberty or give me death.
As far as fighting for US State Department pursuing illegitimate foreign wars against inanimate subjects – this is something I cannot subscribe under.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[slardy mcbardfastParticipant 118]

A very hard road for mgtow. At some point you WILL have to eat s~~~ from an inferior superior…all the harder if its a chick

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

I have to add something else.  I loved and hated being a career soldier.

I would have loved my career even more if I HAD BEEN SINGLE.

 

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[RennieParticipant]

No, the military has been thoroughly infiltrated by t~~~’s and other troublemaker groups(radical gays, etc). Unless you want to “walk a mile in her shoes” I’d advise against joining the military.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

I really don’t get it fighting for bankers to get rich in most cases is not something I would want to do. You can do your own research. The war on the middle is right now is a good example. Also are you ok killing a lot of innocent people? Not as great it seems to be. A soldier is not a hero he is a murder of innocent people.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[EdogParticipant 254]

As a few others have stated, being made aware to the overly vast and almost all encompassing corrupt nature of world politics, and in turn, all military, I can’t see why anyone would choose to enlist. When you can see it all for what it is, it makes it hard to convince me to partake willingly.

[RoyDalParticipant]

My answer is both “yes” and “no”. Yes if you have the mindset to be compatible with the military’s way of doing things. No if you have a tendency to think for yourself and blurt out the truth at inopportune moments.

I would go with yes if you got along well with your high school gym teachers. I would go with no if you think gym teachers are a bunch of asshole bullies to be humored when necessary but avoided at best. (I am in the latter group.)

Here’s my story. I was literally raised by sailors. Both my parents were serving officers in the US Navy. Most of my playmates were also military brats. Therefore, I have an insider’s view of things.

When I was coming up on college age, I suggested to mom and dad that I join the USN and use the GI bill to help defray college expenses. They ganged up on me.

“No, no, my son,” they said, “we will finance your college education. You stay a civilian.”

They were absolutely right, although I did not realize it at the time. The canary in the mine shaft was my attitude toward arbitrary authority. I’m simply not cut out for having orders snapped at me. I have tried, really tried, to get along with these types but to no avail. The military would have driven me mad.

For good examples of those who are in the “yes” group, let us review the movie From Here to Eternity. (I don’t watch most of the modern post feminism crap, so no none come to mind.) Burt Lancaster and Ernest Borgnine are good examples. They both had the mindsets needed to make careers in the military.

In the “no” group are Montgomery Clift and Frank Sinatra. Toe the line 100% of the time, go along to get along, was simply not possible for either of them.

A good example of arbitrary authority is Capt. Cuckold, whose wife Burt was screwing and who was a class-A incompetent drunk with petty power. Another is good ol’ Earnest and his penchant for dealing out savage beatings to the defenseless.

You will meet all of these types in civilian life and in the military. The difference is, you can’t be court-marshaled for the simple crime of p~~~ing one of them off in civilian life…. Oh, wait, yes you can these days. They call it an HR reprimand and it usually doesn’t involve savage beatings, but the principle is the same.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[mrpropmechParticipant 216]

I’ve been working FOR the military for the past 6 years now. Worked a navy contract for 5 and now working on an Air Force one that I like a lot more. Money’s good too last year made 70k, you get to see a lot of cool stuff I work aviation maintenance but none of the commitment. I can up and leave to another job as I so please. Being in the system already and having proper clearances in hand is basically a golden ticket to most other jobs. It’s not a typical contract job either. It’s not temporary unless of course the govt moves the airplanes or scraps the program. When contracts are up for bid the only thing that changes are the uniforms we are given.

[LightBringerParticipant 440]

Again, I fully understand how corrupt the whole system is, and how broken America is.  My question is simply beyond the patriotism bulls~~~ is there any legitmacy in the military at all, or is it a bunch of feminists and non-thinkers?

 

Hey Solider-medic did you become mgtow AFTER military?

[De Oppresso LiberParticipant 2]

So I know this is a few weeks old but I’ll give my $.02…

As the name suggests, I am Army SF “Green Beret” and MGTOW for the past 5 years.  Ironically, my transition from Purple Pill to Red Pill occurred in the SFQC (Special Forces Qualification Course).  My experience will come from the Army SF side of things.

 

I am the only single guy on my ODA and have seen a few of my teammates go through rough times/divorces with their wives.  I have tried to ease them into the idea of MGTOW without dropping the acronym and surprisingly they find most of my points to be true.  I believe they are just too far along in their servitude to get out i.e. kids, mortgage, payments.

 

Special Forces greatly encourages independent thinking and self motivation.  There is little micro-managing and being told what to do because everyone knows that you are a professional and everything you do is to help your brothers i.e. stay in great shape, service equipment, go to the range, and study, study, study.  SF is unlike any other job in the army because it is bottom-up instead of top-down.  The ODAs come up with missions and then send it up the chain for approval instead of some General telling a Lt Col who tells a Captain who tells a Lieutenant what needs to be done.  I make $60k/yr roughly and live frugally in my apartment and my paid off truck.  I stash a good amount in investment and retirement accounts.  As far as women go, I travel a lot so I use dating apps like Tinder and POF along with going out to bars.  I never let them know what I do for a living and never let it get too serious.

 

I find that my military career has been conducive to my MGTOW lifestyle.

[NowNotThenParticipant 1]

To be quite honest, increasingly that would be a “no”. Unless you go infantry, but even then the brass are becoming more and more feminist in their ways. They are retarded in their thought processes: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/05/diversity-seals-green-berets/31122851/

I’m going to go back to my point about infantry. As you would imagine, the MOS with the most men is the most regulated on the basis of merit and not “muh feelings”. Recently, I was doing ROTC training at Ft. Knox in Kentucky. I was receiving counseling from an officer(good type) and I asked him what’s a good MOS for a guy who really hates the other bull s~~~ that goes down elsewhere. Being an infantry officer, with some bias, he told me infantry. Can’t see why not. Your job is to kill. Nothing else. But the times are changing, and a fear the requirements will be dropped in favor of some girl feeling better about herself.

[De Oppresso LiberParticipant 2]

I read the article and it seems this issue comes up every couple of years.  Race does not play a role in the selection and training of SOF personnel.  I don’t know why more African Americans don’t try out but you can’t force someone to undergo that kind of training and expect them to succeed.  On my last deployment, my team had 1 African American and 11 white guys and our support personnel were 3 African Americans, 2 white guys, and 1 Pacific Islander.  Again, I don’t know the reason behind this…

 

Also, I believe that women will be integrated into the infantry MOS 11 series before they are integrated into the SF MOS 18 series.  2 women are about to be the first to graduate Ranger School this month.

[Jon the Ex-SquidParticipant 298]

I can only speak from the perspective of an ex-Navy man. With a degree, you would become an officer. The pay and benefits are much better now, post-9/11, than when I served. It can be a career in which you work for 20 years and retire with a pension and medical benefits for the rest of your life (unless things have changed since I left in 2000).

I was in the submarine force where there were no females. Underwater frats with a nuclear reactor for power and missiles/torpedoes for defense. It is not an easy lifestyle by any means, but the physical labor is low. Especially for an officer.

Hence the saying “Don’t call me sir. I work for a living” among the enlisted folks (officers are called Sir).

They are now allowing women aboard submarines but only in a narrow scope. As an officer you would be expected to maintain a certain level of detachment from the enlisted. Officers don’t go out drinking with the enlisted, don’t call enlisted by their first names, etc. Therefore even if there were females aboard your ship, the interaction with them would be extremely professional and free of the common workplace flirtation/fraternization.

So on the plus side you’ve got a surprisingly straight-forward path to retirement at a fairly young age, decent pay/benefits, free college opportunities, and a respectable career that won’t be replaced by robots.

On the down side, you’ll be out to sea for months on end, have to sleep 30 feet from a nuclear reactor, will be working long, odd hours, and have to deal with government bureaucracy.

Rotation cycle, I believe, is now 3 years of sea time (aboard a ship/boat) and 3 years of shore duty (working at a base, no sea time) with a sprinkling of military schools scattered about.

It is viable and the military will not cater so the same levels of bulls~~~ the civilian world is forced to deal with. You lose some of your rights as a citizen when you become military property. Freedom of speech is limited, you can’t just quite and move wherever you want, etc. But at the same time, you gain stronger protections. Just…avoid duty aboard an air craft carrier. Those mini-cities, from what I’ve heard, are pretty horrific in regards to male/female interaction.

~Best Regards

[LightBringerParticipant 440]

I am honestly giving it very heavy thought of doing the army warrant officer program for flying helicopters.  Sounds pretty good, not the responsibility of an officer and not the grunt work of enlisted.  I doubt I’d stay in long term, just something to do and travel mainly.  Always liked helicopters.

[Jon the Ex-SquidParticipant 298]

LightBringer wrote:

I am honestly giving it very heavy thought of doing the army warrant officer program for flying helicopters. Sounds pretty good, not the responsibility of an officer and not the grunt work of enlisted. I doubt I’d stay in long term, just something to do and travel mainly. Always liked helicopters.

Get everything in writing before you sign the dotted line. You’ll want them to define the schools you’ll be attending, where they are, and for how long. Recruiters are notorious for saying whatever you want to hear to get you to enlist.  If they tell you something and can’t get it in writing, then assume its not going to happen.

My biggest regret was not doing 20 and retiring. The retirement rate for an E8 at 20 years was $2,423.87 per month back in 2013.  That would’ve been $29k per year for the rest of my life.

A W-3 who retired in 2013 after 20 years makes approximately $2,937.20 per month for the rest of their lives. So $35k a year. W-3 is middle-ground as far as ranks go.

Even some fairly modest investments spread out consistently over 20 years should net you some return. Someone far smarter than me could probably tell you what you’d earn from investing $100.00 a month for 20 years.

So yeah. The military’s a lot different than when I served, in both good and bad ways. At least the pay is better and are there any other jobs out there that can promise you $35k a year for life after working 20 years?

I dunno. Maybe I’m biased by “I wish I hads…”

Best of luck. Let us know what you decide!

[alchemistParticipant 484]

All I’m saying is that women were never conscripted. It’s Men putting their lives on the line for women; no thankyou.

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