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Eric Lauder 2 years, 1 month ago.
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Please note: this film was remade with Madonna in the lead role. THAT is not the version I am referring to.
It is my contention that Lina Wertmüller’a 1974 film “Swept Away… by an Unusual Destiny in the Blue Sea of August” starring Giancarlo Giannini and Mariangela Melato is the best depiction of MGTOW on film. If you have other suggestions please let’s hear them.
An arrogant wealthy capitalist named Raffaella (Mariangela Melato) is vacationing on a yacht in the Mediterranean Sea. Gennarino (Giancarlo Giannini), a dedicated Communist who manages to restrain his opinions to avoid upsetting his boss and losing his good job. Despite her humiliating insults, Gennarino agrees to take her out on a dinghy late in the evening to see the rest of her friends who have gone ahead without her. On their way, the outboard motor gives out, leaving them stranded in the middle of the sea with no land in sight.
After a night at sea, Gennarino manages to get the motor running again but has no idea where they are or how to get to land. Eventually they spot an island and head toward it, destroying their dinghy in the process. On land, they discover that there is no one on the island except them, and they are effectively shipwrecked. Accustomed to having everything done for her, Raffaella begins ordering Gennarino about, but this is the final straw for him and he snaps, refusing to assist her any longer. Raffaella reacts with a string of insults, but he gives as good as he gets, and they split up to explore the island on their own.
Much better suited to island life than Raffaella, Gennarino is soon catching and cooking lobsters. Gradually their roles become reversed. While she has to rely on him for food, Gennarino wants her to be his slave, convinced that women are born to serve men. He even forces her to endure the indignity of washing his underwear. When she reacts in angry defiance, he slaps her around. Undeniably attracted to Raffaella, Gennarino attempts to rape her, but then changes his mind, deciding that it would be more satisfying if she gave herself to him willingly. He wants her to fall in love with him, and as their differences are gradually forgotten, they reach a kind of balance, although Gennarino still hits her and she takes the more subservient role. Eventually they spot a ship, and although they are both reluctant to disrupt their newfound paradise, they signal the ship and are rescued.
After returning home, they soon revert to their former lives and social roles—she once again embracing the upper-class lifestyles of her friends; he returning to a life of a lower-class worker and husband. They both understand something profound and unsettling about what they’ve experienced, but Raffaella is unwilling to abandon the society of privilege that has such a strong hold on her. Abandoned by the object of his desires, Gennarino returns defeated to his sad life and loveless marriage—far removed from an idyllic island in the Mediterranean Sea.
That lingering scent of tuna.
What a day !!!
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Anonymous6A little to quick on the draw guys, simply wait and observe. What’s the harm?
There’s no MGTOW lesson in that film at all.
Sovereignty above all else.
No, guys.
I strongly doubt the poster is trying to harm.
In Italy such movie is widely regarded as the most anti-feminist movie ever made.It’s a very tradcon movie, not a MGTOW movie, though.
“Socialist-tradcon” to be more precise: it alleges that feminism is the result of capitalism – it’s a concept that it’s probably unheard of in USA.
It alleges that when resources are equally distributed, then hypergamy cease to exist – that was the idea.SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
If it’d be a MGTOW movie, he would enjoy his lobsters watching her starve. The plot is MRA. Spoiled women are the cancer of any society known as feminism. Those are like rotten apples, one have to remove those from the gene pool in order to save the rest.
"Him, who delights in solitude, is either a wild beast or a GOD!" - Aristotle (Aristot. Pol. 1.1253a) 1 Hom. Il. 9.63; the passage goes on: ἐστὶν ἐκεῖνος ι ὃς πολέμου ἔραται.
If it’d be a MGTOW movie, he would enjoy his lobsters watching her starve.
This.
The plot is MRA.
Agreed.
As for the OP, just keep feeding them the rope, use the Alert Genie when needed, and let Keymaster sort things out.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Its very hard to analyse or categorise a work of art, literature or film out of context. This is a huge mistake that is made almost universally by feminist academics. They want to analyse great art from the past through the lense of the 20th century phenomenon of feminism. It will be necessary for future academics to understand feminism to for them to understand feminist literature but it is not helpful to use feminism to understand any pre feminist or non feminist influenced literature.
Likewise this film is pre MGTOW. It is interested in the now virtually redundant concept of communism. It is not really a good idea to look for MGTOW in it. MGTOW is a largely 21st century phenomenon. It is a way for men to cope with living under the oppression of an unfair gynocentric society. MGTOW is about making the best life you can in today’s unfair world. This film is about what might have happened if the boundaries and security of 1970’s society were removed. The two are quite distinct.
The film may make some of the points that MGTOW make -that women are placed in a position of artificial superiority by a society that undervalues the talents and abilities of men but I would doubt that the film is trying to make that point as much as trying to make a point about privilege and property. However I have not seen the film and maybe I will take a look.
I am not interested in communism -it wants to replace one unfair society with another unfair and more unnatural society- but if it is anti feminist it is unlikely to get up my nose like most of todays Hollywood nonsense and if it still talked about today it may have some merit. I can’t however say that personally I would like to try to turn a spoilt privileged girl into a slave -why start with that which has already been ruined? That would be more the work of a certain kind of white knight who wants to redeem women, even if they have shown no desire or worthiness to be redeemed.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
The f~~~ is this s~~~?
While she has to rely on him for food, Gennarino wants her to be his slave, convinced that women are born to serve men.
Naw.
Not a MGHOW. Not even close. Not really a “communist”, either, but then that’s the filmmaker getting that one wrong.
@ownway: Why would you think this has any relevance to MGTOW?
“Socialist-tradcon” to be more precise: it alleges that feminism is the result of capitalism – it’s a concept that it’s probably unheard of in USA.
It’s a ridiculous concept regardless. Yes, capitalism creates the surplus and wealth that permits feminism to exist, but feminist itself is inherently socialist. Just swap “women” for “proletariat”. The basic concept, namely “gimme gimme gimme”, is the same.
The f~~~ is this s~~~?
While she has to rely on him for food, Gennarino wants her to be his slave, convinced that women are born to serve men.
Naw.
Not a MGHOW. Not even close. Not really a “communist”, either, but then that’s the filmmaker getting that one wrong.
@ownway: Why would you think this has any relevance to MGTOW?
“Socialist-tradcon” to be more precise: it alleges that feminism is the result of capitalism – it’s a concept that it’s probably unheard of in USA.
It’s a ridiculous concept regardless. Yes, capitalism creates the surplus and wealth that permits feminism to exist, but feminist itself is inherently socialist. Just swap “women” for “proletariat”. The basic concept, namely “gimme gimme gimme”, is the same.
Feminists are copying certain concepts of marxism, because it suits their goal in actual society, but that doesn’t make them socialists: the “proletariat” is a temporary and objective condition – if a “proletar” becomes rich and powerful then he’s no longer a “proletar”: “proletar” means “your main wealth and power is your offspring”. If a woman is rich and powerful (i.e. Hillary Clinton, Madonna) she’s still a woman and therefore “oppressed” – feminism is more similar to Nationalsocialism, Nazism, that was socialism on a biological basis: nazism wasn’t politically on the right, because a great businessman creating wealth and thousands jobs wasn’t praised if he was Jew – same for feminism: men are always at fault, it doesn’t matter what they do.
Furthermore feminism is female nature brought into politics: women are attracted by resources, women tend to view men and divide men in chastes (alpha and beta, in example, have you ever heard the expression “she wish a man of her same league”? That’s female nature and it’s a buzzword for hypergamy) – both those features are absolutely anti-socialist.I’m not saying that communism is anti-feminist: it isn’t.
I’m saying that capitalism is not anti-feminist, a very capitalistic society can be still very gynocentric and screwing men in favor of women.SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
Feminists are copying certain concepts of marxism,
They’re all based on the same underlying theme: “Take stuff from the people who worked for it and give it to the people who didn’t.”
It’s all redistributionist bulls~~~. The only “difference” is who they’re taking from, who they’re giving to, and what they’re taking. And like all forms of redistributionism, it’s utterly unsustainable.
Feminists are copying certain concepts of marxism,
They’re all based on the same underlying theme: “Take stuff from the people who worked for it and give it to the people who didn’t.”
It’s all redistributionist bulls~~~. The only “difference” is who they’re taking from, who they’re giving to, and what they’re taking. And like all forms of redistributionism, it’s utterly unsustainable.
No.
It’s redistribution from men to women.
F-O-R-E-V-E-R.
It’s very different from socialism: socialism is, at least theoretically, inherently self-containing, because once the playfield is levelled there’s no need of redistribution: socialism can’t be about redistribution from poors to richs, while feminism can be, because it’s about redistribution from men to women, regardless the conditions of men and women.
That’s why feminism is closer to nazism than to socialism.In my country there are incentives to hire women: if a woman comes from a well-off family, let’s say with an income of 200,000 $, then she get preference over an equally qualified man coming from a family that have an income of just only 50,000 $: that would be I-M-P-O-S-S-I-B-L-E thorugh socialist lens.
Such difference is why feminism can thrive even in a capitalistic society.
The fact that they’re unstainable is irrelevant, unless there’s an alternative: capitalism is the alternative to communism but it isn’t the alternative to feminism.
MGTOW is the alternative to feminism.You guys understand nothing about the true potential and implications of MGTOW.
MGTOW have the potential to totally erase feminism: capitalism already failed to do it.
The solution to feminism isn’t “less welfare”: it’s “men give no f~~~s about women”. By this way you can even have welfare, the society can be less efficient, but it cannot be gynocentric, that’s the point.
We already saw gynocentric societies with few and even zero welfare: they’re everywhere. Singapore being one in actual world, most classic societies, too: in such societies women still have the upper hand about many things.SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
I have to agree with Eric Lauder, he’s right in this regard when it comes to what is the opposite of feminism. Doesn’t matter if you’re left or right, as long as it serves gynocentric society in the mind of the women.
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The opposite of feminism is masculism.
The opposite of gynocracy is androcracy.Don’t bother looking them up, they never happen.
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I have to agree with Eric Lauder, he’s right in this regard when it comes to what is the opposite of feminism. Doesn’t matter if you’re left or right, as long as it serves gynocentric society in the mind of the women.
There are forces portraiting themselves as being the opposite of feminism, to bait men to support them: in some countries is the church, in some other countries is capitalism.
Both the church and capitalism are losers against feminism: both church and capitalism lost ALL the battles against feminism during 60’s and 70’s and both now are largely pandering to feminism – just check Pope Francis, the Anglican church with its female priests, or even worse the church of Sweden, and regarding capitalism there’s all the marketing appealing to feminism.Apart from MGTOW there are just only other two social trends that can make life harder for feminism: one being islam, the other being trans lobby. Islam because it impose a lot of restriction on women, the trans obby because it’s trying to erase the differences between women and men and by doing so in the long run it would annihilate female privilege.
But both Islam and trans lobby are too dogmatic and too ready to enforce their beliefs on others. MGTOW is the opposite of both: total freedom, no hierarchies, just only very few “rules” purely meant for self-preservation and well-being.SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
Another good example of the false equation capitalism/free-market = anti-feminism: WORKERS’ RIGHTS AND LABOUR LAWS.
#METOO would be impossible with extensive workers’ rights: you can’t fire people without a just cause, accusation have to be proved to be a just cause.
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