Interesting conversation with client today

[CrowbarParticipant 192]

He’s been married over 20 years, couple of kids. Don’t know his wife (met her around a dozen years ago), very attractive woman. They live in a big house – he has a nice job while she spend her time spending the money that he makes making sure that she’s living the high life. He tells me he finally wised up and realized that her being hot didn’t make up for her trying to spend all of their money making sure they fit in with their neighbors.

He’s willing to give her half of everything because he figures that he’ll be better off without her spending whatever comes in. He’s very involved with his kids but just wants to have a simple home where he can do what he wants. He’s also realizing that her looks were important early on, but now he could care less.

For those on the fence, marriage is not the answer. I figured that with two incomes we could save a lot of money – instead, she just finds more crap to spend money on. Also figured that the woman who was always up for sex before we got married would keep it up – instead, I’m lucky to have sex once a year. I obviously figured wrong, as did my client.

[Mr. ManParticipant 2916]

I never tire of reading stories like yours and your client’s. They are the most important part of this forum.

And I find it interesting that no matter how we men make our living, if we are rich or if we are poor, we all want a simple, quiet house to come home to.

I read a post on Reddit last week where a man confessed to skipping work for the day and got a motel room instead. Why? So he could have a quiet space to do nothing away from his nagging wife and screaming kids. Just one day of quiet is all he wanted, and he had to sneak around in order to get it.

That’s no way to live.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Thank you crowbar—I despise that absurd myth that when both parents work there are two incomes in the family and all kinds of good things result BLah BLAH BLAH…no two incomes merely means the bitch has twice as much money to blow on stupid s~~~.

[Anonymous 43]

the c~~~ I married made huuuuuge money and blew it all on scrapbooking s~~~, cake decorating s~~~, candles, multilevel marketing s~~~, teapots, precious moments s~~~, wrought iron s~~~ for the walls, s~~~ that was a certain color purple and green, bird houses, ceramic holiday houses, designer shampoos, expensive running shoes, pool toys, bath salts, fake flowers in the bedroom, towels, pillows, baskets, all this s~~~, and she went ballistic when I bought a coke and hohos once and didn’t tell her.

we had at one point over 900 candles, candles in jars, b~~~~, squares, tapers, tea lights why the f~~~ do I know the names of all these different types of f~~~ing candles 900 candles, I shoulda lit them all off to seal the driveway.

F~~~, the place was turning into a chatchkey store, all it needed was some bells on the door and an open sign.

we had a $6000 custom made lit cabinet to put $80 worth of precious moments figurines in. I wanted to line those little f~~~ers up at a golf range and whack them with a s~~~ty Goodwill driver.

[joetechParticipant]

Two can live cheaper than one…if they both work and one doesn’t eat. That’s what my uncle always said. F~~~ marriage. F~~~ cohabitation. They’re prisons.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[Mr. SpockParticipant 10911]

PAST PERFORMANCE NOT INDICATIVE OF FUTURE RESULTS. If you are a young man lurking here, remember that phrase in relation to a woman’s game.
A young woman will sell the idea of co-habitating to her boyfriend by citing more sex because of the convenience of living together. Then she will talk about how he will have more money because the bills will be split down the middle. She’ll close the deal by mentioning how nice it will be for him to wake up most mornings to her gobbling on his dick, them taking showers together and sex right before bedtime. He’ll agree with a smile to let her move in.
The scenario lasts for the first month and then he winds up with less sex and a bigger percentage of bills to pay. She didn’t mention HER debt which she is paying but she doesn’t have much money left to help him with. She’ll justify it by saying that he makes more anyway. He’ll also have more to clean in the house and less space for himself and he’ll wonder why it’s not working the way it was supposed to. At that point most men double down by proposing marriage which is an even bigger mistake. After the wedding it will be a sex-fest for the first month and then it’ll dry up quick. He’ll began to search for reasons why and then she proposes having kids. He sees massive amounts of sex in trying to get her pregnant and naturally she gets pregnant quick. At this point it’s GAME OVER for him and she holds all the cards.
Don’t fall for the game. Remember, “Past performance not indicative of future results.”

Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.

[AkhilleusParticipant 2486]

Anonymous wrote:

the c~~~ I married made huuuuuge money and blew it all on scrapbooking s~~~, cake decorating s~~~, candles, multilevel marketing s~~~, teapots, precious moments s~~~, wrought iron s~~~ for the walls, s~~~ that was a certain color purple and green, bird houses, ceramic holiday houses, designer shampoos, expensive running shoes, pool toys, bath salts, fake flowers in the bedroom, towels, pillows, baskets, all this s~~~, and she went ballistic when I bought a coke and hohos once and didn’t tell her.

we had at one point over 900 candles, candles in jars, b~~~~, squares, tapers, tea lights why the f~~~ do I know the names of all these different types of f~~~ing candles 900 candles, I shoulda lit them all off to seal the driveway.

F~~~, the place was turning into a chatchkey store, all it needed was some bells on the door and an open sign.

we had a $6000 custom made lit cabinet to put $80 worth of precious moments figurines in. I wanted to line those little f~~~ers up at a golf range and whack them with a s~~~ty Goodwill driver.

Wtf hohos are delicious that c~~~asaurus! give this man some dam hohos. …lol

Aloha means family you don't leave family behind. Who will be the next Draconarius for MGTOW? MGTOW = brothers = acceptance = belonging

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Q: Why is divorce so expensive?
A: Because it’s WORTH IT.

[CrowbarParticipant 192]

I’m not getting into what my wife is buying as I want to maintain anonymity, but she’s spent over $5K in this stuff which is mostly sitting in boxes in the basement and in the den. She also has her idiot, drama queen sister who still owes us several thousand $ because she can’t live within her means, and also because my wife is afraid to tell her no.

My dad used to say “two can live more cheaply than one”. He was a very wise man, but this is one thing he was wrong about.

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

Women buy crap in order to put pressure on their husbands.

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[Elric GreenstoneParticipant 1637]

Disney plastic s~~~ in the corner of my basement.

I had a bon fire one night for kicks.

The snow globes were fun to watch…

I’d like to resurrect Walt Disney and f~~~ him up the ass with a crow bar.

He has financially destoyed more men indirectly.
The source of much hypergamy.

The whole princess thing is so virulently evil for our culture. Just very, very, very wrong. My ex-wife loved Disney movies . . . because she saw herself as one of those princesses, that the world should revolve around.

They’ve gotten darker, and darker, and darker, and more narcissistic over the years as well. Snow White was reasonably innocuous, as was Cinderella. The Little Mermaid has few redeeming qualities, and is basically a train wreck for everyone around her. That was my ex-wife’s fave. Beauty and the Beast was my fave; note it’s about the desperate quest for anyone, really. Not healthy stuff.

I like Stefan Molyneux’s take on all of this. He feels that whenever magic occurs in a story, it really signifies mental illness. So in Frozen, the ‘magic’ sister is really just completely and totally insane. I’m not doing it justice, but it’s a good watch on Youtube.

I have some Disney stuff from the 60s through the early 80s. It was really well made. Metal, ceramic, wood, that kind of thing. I still have some of it. Pleasant memories of childhood. The stuff they sell now is all plastic garbage made in Asian sweatshops blurped out of injection molding machines. I don’t see these being treasured quite so much, somehow, although I could be wrong on that. Toys from my generation weren’t as well made as from the 40s through the 60s.

"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."

[CrowbarParticipant 192]

Mr. Man wrote:

read a post on Reddit last week where a man confessed to skipping work for the day and got a motel room instead. Why? So he could have a quiet space to do nothing away from his nagging wife and screaming kids. Just one day of quiet is all he wanted, and he had to sneak around in order to get it.

This is a hell of an idea – my kids aren’t that bad (they’re still in preschool), but I’d love to have a day to just be by myself. However, I don’t mind taking the kids places – it’s when my wife goes that I mind, as she’ll just bitch and complain that the kids are whining, she’s tired of walking, I parked in the wrong place, etc.

You know it’s bad when the wife goes out of town for several days, leaving you home with the kids, and you’re ecstatic. Trust me, if the roles were reversed, I’d never live it down.

The sad thing is that I fantasize that I stayed single – I was looking at some old tax returns that I have scanned in to my secure server, and saw how much in investment income I had. I didn’t make a ton, but was careful on what I spent it on for the most part. I never stressed out about money. Now I’m always stressed out about money – lost a big client (they got bought out, so will still work with the selling owners, but the business being sold is a large hit). Wife still wants to take the kids to Disney because she doesn’t want to “deprive” them (meaning that she doesn’t want to be the only family that hasn’t taken their kids there, even though they’re not even in kindergarten yet) – she really doesn’t comprehend the hit to my income.

At least she doesn’t know that we’re getting back a few thousand in tax refunds. If she knew, she’d have it spent. Once I see it hit the bank, it’s getting moved to savings, and she’ll never know. She thinks that we owe, and I’m not going to disabuse her of that notion.

[WPLParticipant 2390]

Anonymous wrote:

the c~~~ I married made huuuuuge money and blew it all on scrapbooking s~~~, cake decorating s~~~, candles, multilevel marketing s~~~, teapots, precious moments s~~~, wrought iron s~~~ for the walls, s~~~ that was a certain color purple and green, bird houses, ceramic holiday houses, designer shampoos, expensive running shoes, pool toys, bath salts, fake flowers in the bedroom, towels, pillows, baskets, all this s~~~, and she went ballistic when I bought a coke and hohos once and didn’t tell her.

we had at one point over 900 candles, candles in jars, b~~~~, squares, tapers, tea lights why the f~~~ do I know the names of all these different types of f~~~ing candles 900 candles, I shoulda lit them all off to seal the driveway.

F~~~, the place was turning into a chatchkey store, all it needed was some bells on the door and an open sign.

we had a $6000 custom made lit cabinet to put $80 worth of precious moments figurines in. I wanted to line those little f~~~ers up at a golf range and whack them with a s~~~ty Goodwill driver.

At least you have some idea of where your money went… my ex-wife spent literally every cent I earned, as fast as I earned it, and we had almost nothing to show for it. Not furniture, not decorations, not “collectibles”, not even shoes or cosmetics for her (and certainly not “toys” for me — she used to bitch about me keeping a 20-year-old, semi-collectible car, while she was driving around in a nice, paid-for used car worth more than ALL of my vehicles put together). I did my best to try to track the spending by asking her to limit debit card use to major, agreed-upon purchases and to keep her receipts so that I could reconcile charges with purchases — she did neither. When I pointed out to her one month that she’d spent about $1,000 more than I earned that month, she told me that I was never “allowed” to mention that sort of thing, because it’s “our” money — not mine — and she was entitled to a “break”. Yes, I had told her that she could have a limited break from work since we moved to accommodate my work — but that wasn’t intended to mean carte blanche to spend us into the poorhouse! (No need to beat me up for letting her take time off — I realize how stupid that was, but I also know that making her work would probably only have delayed the inevitable).

My ex is unemployed and her “Chad” is also unemployed (and has been for a long time). Chad didn’t even complete high school, so his job prospects are, well, not fantastic… yet from what I’ve heard, they are living a rather lavish lifestyle. If you were to ask me how that’s possible, I’d guess that my ex was probably making small purchases at Walmart or the grocery store, then taking cash back on the debit card in amounts she thought would slip under my observation, and stashing that. I also suspect that they are claiming little or no income and are enrolled in public assistance. I did try to determine if this is the case, but welfare records are not public information where I live (they ought to be — hell, the names of welfare recipients should be published in the damn newspaper… I should know where my taxes are going!)

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

“Honey, I’ve made sure to spend within our means this month” said no woman ever to her husband.
For the most part, men take pride in balancing their monthly budget when they are single. It’s an innate desire in many of us men to want to challenge ourselves to living within our means. It compares with the thrill of achieving a higher score in a video game.

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

When I read s~~~ like this, I realize how fortunate I am that I never tied the knot.

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