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Why do women raise their sons as beta manginas? im talking just about mothers because the majority of men (fathers) are manginas themself. Mangina cant rise a non-mangina because he doesnt know any better and is still in the matrix.
Women are aware of their own nature, whats going on, they know they are not attracted to a nice man who will put her before himself… they know that stuff they are preaching to their sons is false – I mean women are aware of whats actually going on with the whole male – female dynamics and society? I mean they have all the knowledge about how they/women are – how they operate and think, what they don’t like, but they still preaching all the false beliefs to the child – about being a gentleman- woman first, being overly nice, buying stuff, flowers, listen to them, etc…. threat her like a queen… yes… until she got fed up, takes everything for granted, lose respect and attraction at the same time and then go f~~~ some jerk she knows for 5 minutes – s~~~ just doesnt work and the child brought up like that will most likely suffer in his teens/adulthood until he figures it out by himself like I did- and majority never do but get screwed over and over again.
My mother was a single mother since I was born but I have never felt i had only one parent. She gave me everything she could. My dad was never around and till this day has not done anything for me. He wasnt even paying child support for couple of years and my mother just let him be… i havent spoken or see him for 5 years and Im 28 now. She has always been a great mother to me, but couldnt gave me what every young man need – a strong male character in the family. I was brought up to be a gentleman and very considering to others – not just women. Not good!
Im wondering why they are rising their own sons wrong way? Its like they are setting them for failure – deliberately…. their own mothers! I know there are other influences like society and tvs and other medias who are constantly brainwashing men and women about romance and stuff women supposedly like… but still… they know the truth and keep spreading nonsense to their own sons.
I mean are they that ignorant or they actually know whats going on, but refuse to act on it because deep down they know how f~~~ed and irrational they are???I would like to hear some opinions and explanation about it…
If I was the mother I would educate my son properly and prepare him for the real world- which is not a nice place with rainbows, fairy tales and living happily ever after. At least I would spare him many great disappointments… he would never have to take a red pill, because he would never swallow a blue one in the first place…Freud died wondering what it was that women actually want. Women themselves have no idea. And you’re asking a bunch of guys who really couldn’t give a rats any more? I don’t mean to be rude, but I’m not sure you’ll find the answer anywhere, and certainly not here.
Primarily, women do things to impress other women. Not men. They dress up for other women, they wear make up for other women, they try getting better jobs, better lifestyles, better homes, better cars…..all to try to impress other women. It was never about men. Slut-shaming? It was never men, it was women shaming their own kind, and still is. Women shame women. Men do not, as a rule.
So perhaps the answer to your question lies not with what your mother would like to see you become for another woman’s gain, but what she would like you to become so that it doesn’t look bad on her, and she doesn’t get shamed for it.
It is a man’s job to become red pill, and teach that to his own offspring. Don’t ever expect a woman to do it. If you have to ask a woman how to be a man, you’ve already failed.
Anonymous6Well I think it really depends upon the parents personality of which you live with. Example my mom was single was in the marines & was a Aries. She tried to raise me a alpha male trust me, I was never good enough. Dumb me goes in the Army when my Dad was a marine, and grandfather Navy.
Excellent Points.
I spent a lot of time trying to figure out why my mom would tell me all that stuff and it was so very, very wrong. I’m honestly starting to think that women honestly can’t tell friendship and sexuality apart, or that they don’t want to. In many women’s minds there isn’t much difference between the friend zone and the “good” zone.
Of course that difference is EVERYTHING to men, at least when it comes to social interactions with females.
I think mothers try to teach their sons all about how to be the best friend zoned mangina that they could ever dream of, but because they don’t want to admit even to themselves that F~~~ING is reserved for the asshole Chad T or Felonius McFacialTat, they try to vicariously program the innocent boy into being their ideal mangina with the erroneous assumption that the sex will be there for him if he’s only a model mangina, right? Of course that doesn’t apply to HER, oh no, but there’s someone out there just perfect for my little boy…..
Hogwash.
"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,
Anonymous5Very interested. Well said Quiet.
they have all the knowledge about how they/women are – how they operate and think, what they don’t like
I disagree. Women aren’t able to articulate what they like/don’t like in men. That is, a woman could say “I want a nice guy, someone who treats me well” etc etc. That may be true intellectually, but it’s not how women act, as we know.
The following makes a lot of sense to me:
“Women may not like assholes/junkies, but they’re certainly ***attracted*** to them.
Women may like nice guys, but they’re certainly not ***attracted*** to them.”If you’re willing believe that, then i think the following is a small, logical step re: mother->son upbringing. Because women are so focused on agreement & cohesiveness of the group, they’ll raise their children that way. So boys become focused on agreement & cohesiveness – rarely striking out on their own, calling out bulls~~~, doing everything they can to minimize disagreement/dischord.
Thus a boy born a boy doesn’t have the opportunity to turn in to a man. At least, that’s how i saw it in my case, along with the backgrounds of many others. Glover writes a lot about this in No More Mr Nice Guy – it’s epidemic.
Why do women raise their sons as beta manginas? im talking just about mothers because the majority of men (fathers) are manginas themself. Mangina cant rise a non-mangina because he doesnt know any better and is still in the matrix.
On this particular question, I believe that it is because it’s what they wanted their husband to be like. A strange bit of congnitive dissonance when you look at @mattnyc said;
“Women may not like assholes/junkies, but they’re certainly ***attracted*** to them.
Women may like nice guys, but they’re certainly not ***attracted*** to them.”In the end I believe that they want a stable man in their life. A woman raising a mangina in all likelihood ran off her last husband because he was sick of her s~~~ and wouldn’t kowtow to her. So they set about ‘creating’ a replacement
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The wall is unforgiving and babies bring about fat that “can’t” be lost. So that little proto mangina is just the guy for her.
"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.
I believe the answer is relatively simple, and it may have already been answered here, in other posts, if I recall correctly.
The mother does this deliberately because if she were to teach him the truth about women, she would be included. So her son would raise his walls against hes manipulations too.
That’s basically it.
How many of you DID NOT hear something like this:
“You will grow up to be a nice man and you will TAKE CARE of ME when I am old”.
They know deep down that their husbands will either die younger or will wake up eventually, so they need to ensure they have someone else to leech on when they are old. So they “train” their sons to be good little mangina providers that will sacrifice anything for their family (aka wives and mothers). The fact that in doing this they risk ruining their son’s life is of no consequence to them. They probably assume we would self destruct if not ruled by a woman anyway.
My own mother and quite a few of my friends’ mothers admitted to this s~~~ with the help of a few conversational tricks.The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!
When my ex had her first relationship post divorce, she told me that she wanted the kids to see that relationships do last. I never had a response to that. It was obvious she felt like she had a responsibility for the kids in that way, and that she eventually wanted the kids to have lasting relationships. I’m sure part of that was grandkids, partly from perception, partly relieving her own guilt, and partly from some maternal extinct or something. I don’t believe they know what they’re doing, they still believe the fairytale is possible for their kids.
For my part, I just ask them questions, tell them the truth, and teach them to think for themselves. I am confident the truth is stronger then the fairytale.
Ok. Then do it.
Why do women raise their sons as beta manginas?
They do this to boyfriends and husbands too.
Men look for reasons to qualify women.
Women look for reasons to DIS-qualify men.Of course I can’t “prove” it But I sure-as-s~~~ have SEEN it…..
“I hate that old shirt…. and I hate that old chair.”
“OK babe I’ll throw them out.”
“I’m leaving. You’ve changed.”
Now if you refused to change… you would now be “the asshole”.
So she treats you like an asshole no matter what.She deliberately sets you up to be the wrong guy and resents you for it later – knowingly or unknowingly.. On the surface, they want to be in control of the relationship…. but when they are permitted to do so, they are miserable.
Eventually, a guy will say “well if she’s gonna treat me like an asshole no matter WHAT I do… I may as well just go ahead and BE an asshole”.
Now she’s happy to complain all the time, and won’t leave.
They “want” (but not really) a pussified man, so they can disqualify him.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Well I was an asshole and a douche to my ex and I’m divorced paying child support…so yeah, women don’t even know what they want.
6 months after our divorce she’s gone on 7 dates and f~~~ed the same dude twice, both of which times she said were really s~~~ty…I was like, wtf, you just out of a relationship you hated, why were you so quick to get back into one?! Her response: “I don’t know!” hahaha wtf
The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. --Einstein
There are so many young guys out there that were either raised by women or had a mangina for a father.
I notice that they all have one giant f~~~ing problem….
They all look “out there” for someone to hand them the life they want on a silver platter, not realizing that as Men we have to take complete responsibility for ourselves.
Women do not and cannot teach responsibility because they themselves are not responsible.
I’ve dated a few highly paid medical females in my day. Each one had huge debts, no savings, and no retirement plan.
Yikes. $100,000 a year and they’re broke.
Not my property... Not my problem
treznik87-
This topic hits close to home.
My dad died at an early age and I was raised by my mom without a male influence. I definitely was raised by my mother to be a mangina. My earlier life was horrible and I was tormented by females constantly. (Being a “nice guy” will cause many problems.) I didn’t know the truth until much later in life.
I don’t know why women do this to their sons.
While many women may not be capable of personally acting in a masculine fashion, the single mother could at least make an effort to expose their son to masculine influence- competitive sports maybe,
or exposure to an uncle or “big brother”.
KM made the point that women may do this intentionally so that the son will take care of her in later years.
I feel sorry for the sons brought up by single moms. They will be brought up to be manginas which will cause the son to endure a lot of misery. Being a son brought up by single moms also often exposes the son to poverty.
Wouldn’t it be nice to grow up in a “Beaver Cleaver” home. Nowadays this is rare.
Thank God for MGTOW.I don’t think women understand men at all, or more specifically they don’t understand masculinity. Sure, they understand how to manipulate men, but that’s not the same thing. Consequently, it is simply impossible for a woman to raise a masculine child when she has no idea what masculinity is all about.
I think Heartbern’s video on masculine minded men will shed some light on the topic: Masculine Minded Men
I can’t relate, as my mother always told me to stand up for myself (and she was a self-proclaimed anti-feminist at least a decade before it became mainstream). I think it generally is to secure the bloodline. A man who will not accept being stomped on because he is a male and just doing the regular thing (wife/gf and kids) will not get any of those, and as such will not bear grandchildren. I know I havn’t and will definitely never do (if I got the news some woman got pregnant and it proved to be of my doing I would either move abroad or just take a long last look down the barrel…).
It could be that mothers know that the “bad boy” is someone young women f~~~ but they marry and procreate with beta providers. These are more likely to have children of their own.
Women think only of themselves. They want to see their grandkids so they sacrifice their son’s so the son’s wife will allow grandkids to know their grandmother.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
I know I havn’t and will definitely never do (if I got the news some woman got pregnant and it proved to be of my doing I would either move abroad or just take a long last look down the barrel…).
Hey Scandinavian, i can’t imagine a hell worse than the prison of fatherhood-against-your-will. I know for some guys having kids is the most important thing ever, but for me I’d rather have an incurable disease than be a father. I’d move to another country that doesn’t enforce child-support agreements, or if by some measure that doesn’t work, experiment with freezing my body for science.
Considering the starkness of your decision, i assume you’ve gotten a vasectomy? Best $1,000 i ever spent!
Hey Scandinavian, i can’t imagine a hell worse than the prison of fatherhood-against-your-will. I know for some guys having kids is the most important thing ever, but for me I’d rather have an incurable disease than be a father. I’d move to another country that doesn’t enforce child-support agreements, or if by some measure that doesn’t work, experiment with freezing my body for science.
Considering the starkness of your decision, i assume you’ve gotten a vasectomy? Best $1,000 i ever spent!
Hi Matt, no, havn’t gotten one actually, I went for an even safer bet; full celibacy. I never really had a high sex drive to start with, and tbqh after red pill I just found it harder and harder to even find attraction, so a short while back I just decided to cut it all out once and for all. I’m 36 years old and I had enough sex for my life time, enough to think most of it is quite tedious anyhow, so these days I just use my energy at work, or camping or playing PlayStation. It’s cheaper, safer, and though some would disagree I actually think it’s more fun.
That said, I still like people having kids. Sort of the same way I like people paying taxes; I just wish it on others. ?
after red pill I just found it harder and harder to even find attraction
Wow i thought i was the only one! I’ve definitely noticed attraction’s less intense than it used to be since discovering “the truth.” Not that it’s gone to zero – it hasn’t – but noticeably less than what it used to be. I also thought it was my age – recently turned 36 – but i think TRP is much more likely. Damn!
use my energy at work, or camping or playing PlayStation. It’s cheaper, safer, and though some would disagree I actually think it’s more fun.
I agree a lot – my work, traveling & all my other hobbies seem a hell of a lot more rewarding than chasing ass. It’s funny – when i was 10 years younger my two priorities in life were 1) making more $$$ and 2) getting ass. Now it’s more about ensuring i have enough $$$ to not have to work more than another 10-15 years.
Thinking back to my 20s, how much effort & $$$ i put in to chasing women. Damn man! I could’ve been 5 years closer (or more!!!!) to retirement WTF?!?!?!
Sigh. Ah well. In american english we have a saying “I burned my hand on the hot stove once. I’m never going to do it again.” Haha. I learned that f~~~ing lesson! Do you have a similar phrase in your native language? (Think you mentioned once before you’re from Sweden, but don’t recall exactly.)
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