I'm too tired to ask anymore.

[Anonymous 23]

AugustChief, your points of view are certainly contrasting to just about everybody here. Can I ask, are you mgtow or do you identify as something else?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@august Chief

6) Forget what some forum members are saying: you do not tell your wife that she had to have sex with you.

OK stop.

If you’re going to tell someone to forget what others are saying, you must first understand it yourself. We are not in the business of investing our time to participate in helping others (agree or not) to have you come in waving a giant eraser, can of butane and a flame thrower to torch the place to high heaven because you can’t extend us the courtesy of taking 3 minutes to read, understand and THINK about what was said.

If you require further clarification… ASK first.

It was pretty f~~~ing clear to everyone in the room that I wasn’t telling him to force himself on his wife. I told him to TELL his wife if he’s not getting it at home, he’s gonna get it someplace else…. and to make sure she understands it. This is perfectly reasonable. Before you even BEGIN to negotiate the terms of a marriage contract, each person must TELL the other (not ask) what you WANT…. and what you are prepared to DO. If this is not agreed upon in advance you’re MARRYING THE WRONG PERSON.

A marriage contract is a VIP backstage pass to vagina.
Anal is still for sale,… but vagina is guaranteed.

A marriage contract is guaranteed vagina as much as it’s guarantee that he will have to PAY HER MONTHLY after she goes and f~~~s someone else because he wasn’t “getting her needs met”. A husband will get his needs met too. The idea that a woman can say “he wasn’t satisfying me so I f~~~ed his best friend and now he has to move out of his house and I will move my new boyfriend in as I collect monthly checks from you” is totally unacceptable. That scenario plays out every day in divorce courts – even if he IS f~~~ing her properly.

If she can demand and punish for not getting her needs met, he sure as s~~~ will too.

His needs, wants , and desires – no matter how ridiculous – are also on the menu and priority number one regardless of what anyone else thinks about it. Hugh Grant had super-model Elizabeth Hurley at home and she wasn’t getting the job done either. So he went out and got himself a $60 sloppy ass BJ for the first time in years (probably) from Marvin Hagler in a wig. $60.!!! All that asking his wife to suck his dick once in a while, all that money he wasted on her ass, and he couldn’t even get a $60 f~~~ing BJ at home. Unacceptable. Before the wedding , she should have TOLD him (not asked) “Hugh, Im not sucking your dick”. Had she done that, no wedding would have taken place and Hugh could have had a $60 BJ every day of the week – 3 times daily. That’s a happy man.

You want your wife to greet you naked at the door with a smile and blowjob every day as she hands you a beer?
….. Don’t ASK her. TELL her.

You want your wife to tickle your b~~~~ ion the morning before you go to work?
….. Don’t ASK her. TELL her.

“I expect you to tickle my f~~~ing b~~~~ 7 out of 7 days a week. And if you don’t do it someone else will.”

There is nothing wrong with outlining your terms directly and clearly. Nada. Zilch. Zero . Zip.
A man will not apologize for that under any circumstances.

You will also notice I was clear that he doesn’t actually have to act on it.
He will turn the question in to a command and declaration instead.

BIG difference from “raping” your own wife.
I can’t believe this needed to be said twice.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[pZ1$Participant 110]

Wow! I posted this 2 years ago almost do the day! Things have not changed! I’m reading everyone’s responses again.

[RealityBitesParticipant 2198]

I would withhold financial support. No Sex = No Money and no access to money.
Also I would spend the money not spent on the wife on hookers and let the wifey know…that her allowance has been reallocated due to her negligence in her duties as a wife.

[PuniShredderParticipant 2268]

Are you f~~~ing serious? She never fuxked you and you put up with it? My wife was working 60 hours a week plus 10 hours commuting and was f~~~ing me only a couple of times a week on average and I freaked out, put my foot down used ULTRA Dread game and told her how it would be…she ramped it up right quick.

If you have been in this a while get an exit plan and try to salvage the rest of your life bro…No fixing mrs fish I’m afraid..

Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

[Y_Participant 4591]

Hi pZ1$

My opinion only. Don’t take this personally and I apologise if it hurts you – you have had quite enough I can tell.

I do not pretend to understand why you married her but you must know that that is now unimportant. Your expectations do not matter. Admit it.

In any relationship there is a leader and follower. She is mentally stronger than you in this ‘marriage’. She controls the way the ‘marriage’ goes. Does not matter what you want from her, if she is not prepared to give something – you will not get it. This is obvious. Admit it.

You have been living on her terms and have shown you are willing to put up with her running the show. What makes you think you can change anything? You cannot. Admit it.

Does not matter if she is seeing someone else or not – if you want to stay ‘married’ you will have to put up and shut up. Admit it.

The ‘marriage’ itself seems to be a failure – sex is only one part of it and I did not specifically say that that was the problem. For you this is the obvious casualty. The new deal on the table is – she does not care at this point if you stay or go. Admit it.

If you try to force the issue of sex beyond what she sees as ‘reasonable’ (that is the status quo) – she may get you arrested for sexual harassment or possibly even rape. Remember the kind of system we men have to live in. She will have the entire legal system backing her up. Then where will you be? Admit it.

You really have only two options – keep playing with your hand or fold and walk away. There will be no new hand. Admit it.

What are you going to do?

[Masculine_ManParticipant 2735]

Zoby Two wrote:

Man : your wife is cheating on you, no doubt on it. Women like sex more than men.

This is really what’s going on. Get it through your head, women are sex maniacs. If they’re not getting sex from you they’re getting it from someone else. There’s no denying this.

If it costs you your peace of mind, then it is too expensive.

[pZ1$Participant 110]

Masculine_Man wrote:

Phil_VM wrote:

Man : your wife is cheating on you, no doubt on it. Women like sex more than men.

This is really what’s going on. Get it through your head, women are sex maniacs. If they’re not getting sex from you they’re getting it from someone else. There’s no denying this.

Really?

[pZ1$Participant 110]

Y_ wrote:

Hi pZ1$

My opinion only. Don’t take this personally and I apologise if it hurts you – you have had quite enough I can tell.

I do not pretend to understand why you married her but you must know that that is now unimportant. Your expectations do not matter. Admit it.

In any relationship there is a leader and follower. She is mentally stronger than you in this ‘marriage’. She controls the way the ‘marriage’ goes. Does not matter what you want from her, if she is not prepared to give something – you will not get it. This is obvious. Admit it.

You have been living on her terms and have shown you are willing to put up with her running the show. What makes you think you can change anything? You cannot. Admit it.

Does not matter if she is seeing someone else or not – if you want to stay ‘married’ you will have to put up and shut up. Admit it.

The ‘marriage’ itself seems to be a failure – sex is only one part of it and I did not specifically say that that was the problem. For you this is the obvious casualty. The new deal on the table is – she does not care at this point if you stay or go. Admit it.

If you try to force the issue of sex beyond what she sees as ‘reasonable’ (that is the status quo) – she may get you arrested for sexual harassment or possibly even rape. Remember the kind of system we men have to live in. She will have the entire legal system backing her up. Then where will you be? Admit it.

You really have only two options – keep playing with your hand or fold and walk away. There will be no new hand. Admit it.

What are you going to do?

Yumbo your post is true! No offense taken. It makes total sense… everything you wrote is true!!!

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

to me, whether she is having sex with someone else or not is not the primary issue. The primary issue is that she is not having sex with you. Your needs are not being met. All indications are that your needs are not going to be met.

You just spent two more years from the original post not getting your needs met. If she is still in this relationship with you, and not complaining, then I’d say it’s because she’s getting her needs met. Trust me on this (or ask any mgtow here), when women are not getting their needs met in a relationship, something changes. And it generally does not take two f*cking years. They’ll make a decision in less than two minutes!

Maybe she really doesn’t need that much sex, or maybe she needs it and is getting it elsewhere. But I don’t really care about her situation. I’m trying to address yours.

Your situation is that you are living in such a way as to meet someone else’s needs, while your needs are ignored. You have the same decision to make as any woman when faced with the same situation of not getting needs met. In the two years that have passed since your original post, your woman (ANY woman) would have been LONG GONE if it were her needs not being met.

As I’ve written elsewhere, I personally deserve the right to abandon any relationship I choose, for any reason I choose, or for no reason at all… just because I feel like it. That’s how much I matter. That’s how much my needs matter. That’s how much my cost-benefit analysis of a situation matters.

When you hold yourself and your needs to this same level of priority, you might still encounter situations where you are not getting your needs met. But those situations will last about two minutes, not two years…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[Y_Participant 4591]

Hi pZ1$

I believe everyone in your position have a limited window to make your next move – to get out. Only you can decide on whether this is for you or not.

Why do I think this? Because I have a gut feeling females like her are (or will be) planning something since you are no longer necessary – and she is not ready yet to show her cards.

Yes she does not care if you go – but it always will have to be on her terms and she never expected a decision from you anyway. She will try to buy time to get back control. Do not fall for it.

When she is ready – you may be in deep s~~~. I’ve seen this type of behaviour before. Better to beat her to the punch.

Possible expected responses – surprise, shock (faked) and attempts at sex reconciliation. Or she may say yes – ok let’s do it, Be prepared for both.

Also expect bad behaviour, threats and possible blackmail in the mix. Be ready for any and all of this. Above all else – don’t lose your head.

It is imperative to get a good lawyer and get ready a plan and a place to crash before you do this.

DON’T BE IN THE SAME HOUSE WITH HER ALONE AFTER THIS – ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TELL HER.

Remember : Your Life – Your Responsibility – Your Choice
Good luck brother

[narwhalParticipant]

BrainPilot wrote:

o me, whether she is having sex with someone else or not is not the primary issue. The primary issue is that she is not having sex with you. Your needs are not being met. All indications are that your needs are not going to be met.

Agreed. You have zero obligation to met her needs if she is unwilling to meet yours. In fact, you are a s~~~ty husband if you continue to meet her needs when she doesn’t care about yours. You may think you’re a good guy, but you’re treating her like a spoiled child. That isn’t want people who are care about each other, really care, do for each other. Blame her all you want, but the fact that you’re letting this problem carry on for so long says that you would rather be passive to do what it takes to make yourself happy, possibly save your marriage, and yes, even make your wife happy.

So no more meeting her needs. No sex whenever she wants it. No making her dinner for when she’s working late. No more visiting the in-laws you don’t want to see. It’s time for you to spend time on you. Go out with friends when you want. Do the hobbies you want. Do not consider how your choices will effect her. Hell, even apologize to her for being a s~~~ty spineless husband if it makes you feel better. Then…you will be able to clearly see whether you want to still be married or not.

And…she now has a choice to make. She can continue to treat you poorly and lose you, or she can admit she’s been a s~~~ty wife. You’ve forced the issue…what happens next is on her.

Ok. Then do it.

[pZ1$Participant 110]

BrainPilot wrote:

to me, whether she is having sex with someone else or not is not the primary issue. The primary issue is that she is not having sex with you. Your needs are not being met. All indications are that your needs are not going to be met.

You just spent two more years from the original post not getting your needs met. If she is still in this relationship with you, and not complaining, then I’d say it’s because she’s getting her needs met. Trust me on this (or ask any mgtow here), when women are not getting their needs met in a relationship, something changes. And it generally does not take two f*cking years. They’ll make a decision in less than two minutes!

Maybe she really doesn’t need that much sex, or maybe she needs it and is getting it elsewhere. But I don’t really care about her situation. I’m trying to address yours.

Your situation is that you are living in such a way as to meet someone else’s needs, while your needs are ignored. You have the same decision to make as any woman when faced with the same situation of not getting needs met. In the two years that have passed since your original post, your woman (ANY woman) would have been LONG GONE if it were her needs not being met.

As I’ve written elsewhere, I personally deserve the right to abandon any relationship I choose, for any reason I choose, or for no reason at all… just because I feel like it. That’s how much I matter. That’s how much my needs matter. That’s how much my cost-benefit analysis of a situation matters.

When you hold yourself and your needs to this same level of priority, you might still encounter situations where you are not getting your needs met. But those situations will last about two minutes, not two years…

Thanks man. It’s much, much longer than two years. I’ve just been posting here for two years. It’s much, much, much longer. Thanks for the support brother.

[LastManStandingParticipant 638]

Pz1$,

I am a fellow married MGTOW (2nd tour LOL). I have a few questions for you.

1. How old are you? How old is she?
2. I missed if you have kids with her or not, do you?
3. How attractive is your wife? Are you physically attractive enough to get another woman, even as beta-provider role?

My first wife cut sex off from me. I’d get it once a month, maybe. It was the beginning the end, because it made me miserable. Don’t live miserable man. It sucks.

My current wife, gives me as much sex as I want on weekends. I usually don’t ask her on workdays as she is very tired. She usually just comes home from work, exercises, has dinner, showers, then bed. If I get the itch during the week, its off the the message parlor, or a just jerk off at home. Sometimes the occasional escort. Yes, I think the man going out and getting strange pussy is the only way to stay happy in this modern prison sentence. I wish I was truly free, but at least I am living the best MGTOW married life one can have.

In all honesty, I am getting pretty bored with sex in general. I think my wife wants it more then me. I really don’t care anymore. The only reason I give it to her is because I don’t want her to seek it else where. My wife is 7 years younger and has still not hit the wall. I set the ground rules early on in all the relationships I had with woman after my first wife fiasco. I was not reliving that nightmare again. Some of the girls I dated were trying to get the upper hand in terms of control of the relationship, I’d end it instantly. As someone has said, there is always one who is the dominant boss in the relationship, if its not you, it is going to suck. You have to be a dick from day one. If you are not, you are not taking the power back ever. Its not possible. You are either in charge or not. There is no in-between.

If you need divorce advice, or anything else post here or PM me. But I want to understand your situation better, so answer the above questions please.

[pZ1$Participant 110]

Thanks LastManStanding.
I will try to reply this evening or tomorrow after I get back from work. Good questions. Thanks man.

[pZ1$Participant 110]

LastManStanding wrote:

Pz1$,

I am a fellow married MGTOW (2nd tour LOL). I have a few questions for you.

1. How old are you? How old is she?
2. I missed if you have kids with her or not, do you?
3. How attractive is your wife? Are you physically attractive enough to get another woman, even as beta-provider role?

My first wife cut sex off from me. I’d get it once a month, maybe. It was the beginning the end, because it made me miserable. Don’t live miserable man. It sucks.

My current wife, gives me as much sex as I want on weekends. I usually don’t ask her on workdays as she is very tired. She usually just comes home from work, exercises, has dinner, showers, then bed. If I get the itch during the week, its off the the message parlor, or a just jerk off at home. Sometimes the occasional escort. Yes, I think the man going out and getting strange pussy is the only way to stay happy in this modern prison sentence. I wish I was truly free, but at least I am living the best MGTOW married life one can have.

In all honesty, I am getting pretty bored with sex in general. I think my wife wants it more then me. I really don’t care anymore. The only reason I give it to her is because I don’t want her to seek it else where. My wife is 7 years younger and has still not hit the wall. I set the ground rules early on in all the relationships I had with woman after my first wife fiasco. I was not reliving that nightmare again. Some of the girls I dated were trying to get the upper hand in terms of control of the relationship, I’d end it instantly. As someone has said, there is always one who is the dominant boss in the relationship, if its not you, it is going to suck. You have to be a dick from day one. If you are not, you are not taking the power back ever. Its not possible. You are either in charge or not. There is no in-between.

If you need divorce advice, or anything else post here or PM me. But I want to understand your situation better, so answer the above questions please.

Hi LastNanStanding,
We are both in our mid to late 50s.
We have a teenager.
My wife has gotten more attractive. I was not as a attracted to her at first but she has improved… she’s definitely a petite cute sexy kind o a attractiveness…..
And yes, I would like to details on divorce. I can PM you. Hope you get this response from me.

[LastManStandingParticipant 638]

Hey pZ my brother.

I took some time to mull my response over. I know many here will just say, get a divorce! Go Your Own Way! But we both know it is not always that easy. I am in my second prison sentence. My first sentence was maximum security. My current sentence in minimum security if you catch my drift. But prison is still prison.

With your life experience and age, I take it you have been married most of your adult life, I say starting a divorce is just not worth it. That being said, she may someday divorce you so always be prepared.

Your wife failed in her duties to satisfy you as a husband. FAILED. You provided her with stability, a child, and your labor. Have you been a perfect husband? Probably not, but that does not matter. I sense you are a good man and have been doing your best. So if you happen to take my advice, never feel an ounce of guilt or shame.

Here are the things I would do if I were you:

1. Start buying some escorts. Research your area for escorts, massage parlors, strippers etc. Its time you had some fun my friend. I don’t know what your financial status is. But treating yourself to something nice once or twice a month shouldn’t be too out of reach. They are going to treat you good, you are paying.

2. Start buying some silver coins or gold coins if you got the money. Buy as many as you can without your wife knowing or noticing. Keep them with a trusted family member or in a safe deposit box. Keep accumulating them. If you ever get divorced, when the the dust settles, you got a nice little secret next egg waiting for you. The worst that can happen is that you never get divorced and you continue to use them on strippers and escorts and messages.

3. Start thinking about yourself. What are your hobbies? What do you enjoy? If you don’t know, this will be part of the self-discovery. Start doing these things as often as possible.

4. Be nice to your wife. She is a f~~~ing dried up prune (prude) but being a dick to her or letting her know you are going your now way is not advised. She is basically a roommate at this point. No need to create any friction. Who knows, when she notices your increased happiness and confidence, she might even f~~~ you one in a while. But who cares if she doesn’t.

5. Consider taking a vacation. Alone! If your wife protests, just playfully say… “hun we have not had sex in years, you can’t possibly want to go on vacation with me.”

Let me know what you think…

[Rolling Tin FistParticipant 484]

Keymaster wrote:

If you’re going to pay a woman to NOT f~~~ you…… you may as well start paying other women who WILL.

I’m with Keymaster on this one.

You don’t negotiate with terrorists. If I marry you in good faith, and you then cut me off pu$$y for the foreseeable future, with zero recourse, that’s terrorism.

I went through something similar with my starter marriage. All I can tell you from my personal experience is that you need to get your sexual needs met elsewhere.

I promise you, she’s getting her needs met elsewhere, either physically or emotionally. Especially if she doesn’t need your money to survive.

"Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another" - H. L. Mencken

[Rolling Tin FistParticipant 484]

LastManStanding wrote:

Let me know what you think…

Great advice. I did all five after taking the Red Pill almost exactly two years ago. It has changed my life for the better.

"Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another" - H. L. Mencken

[CombatRollParticipant 2594]

The person who cares the least, has the most control. She doesn’t give a s~~~ and you do. That sux, but that is how it works.

So, if you haven’t sat her down and calmly told her that you have held up your end of the marriage and she is not holding up her end, then do this. Tell her you expect sex X number of times a week and if you have any leverage with bills or whatever use them. Say, “Why should I provide and pay for X if you aren’t holding up your end of the deal”. Hit her where it hurts.

What kind of shape are you in? Go to the gym and start getting involved in things. I have a cold bitchy wife (I layed down the law and get laid every 2 days – but she’s still a bitch about it). BUT, without giving too many details – I’m involved in a group that gets together (hobby/exercise) and now I have a girl 10 years younger coming on to me HARD.

I haven’t banged her (yet), but the point is GET OUT THERE. Get buff and get active and you may find some hot deprived wife out there that wants to bang your brains out.

If you are not willing to divorce this selfish bitch, then go what some of the others have advised and get a paid professional, or get fit and involved and stop caring about this bitch that treats you like s~~~.

Start being a DICK – if your needs are not getting met, make sure hers are not either.

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