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Good evening, gentlemen.
For those of you who don’t know me, I joined these forums in late 2015, and I took a bit of a break during my time in college. A lot has changed.
With International Men’s Day approaching, I’ve been looking back at the past few years since I first joined this forum. I have grown a lot in college, and fortune has favored me by granting me a few close friends here with whom I can talk about the manosphere and the ideas within it. All of us keep quiet about it, but we hang out for drinks at my place sometimes, and they always like to bring something new for us to try. When I first joined this forum, I was still feeling a lot of anger at myself and at society for the lies I had swallowed, but at this stage in my life, the anger has mostly subsided. Of course, I still feel angry at times, but I’ve been learning to laugh and, as Aaron Clarey always says “enjoy the decline”.
I had a few friends with benefits over the past few years, and I’ve grown from my experiences while also avoiding any horror stories so far.
Lastly, I’ve made an interesting connection down here in Southern California. A somewhat prominent person who has an inside look into a certain potentially lucrative job type in the entertainment industry, and has been offering me tips on how to go about finding work in that particular line of work. In the interest of self-preservation, I’ll refrain from disclosing the specific jobs I’m planning to pursue, but having made this connection, it would be foolish to neglect the opportunity presented to me. I’ll start it out as a side gig and keep working at it until it either grows into something bigger or fails.
My current goals are to free myself from debt after I graduate next spring and reach a place in life in which I am consistently improving my income and financial state. I’m giving the casual dating market a try, although I’ll be careful. I’ve found that online dating actually gets me a decent number of dates when I play my cards right, as apparently I’m somewhat photogenic. I nearly had a sugar momma a few weeks ago, but I quickly realized that she has some mental problems which cause her to act, in academic terms, like a complete bitch. Seriously considering getting a vasectomy soon, since Vasalgel is still a long way off. Not interested in a girlfriend, especially not without a vasectomy (an “oops” pregnancy is the biggest risk I have to avoid at this point, and as soon as a girl gets attached, the risk goes up), and especially not within this dangerous legal climate. If I ever decide to go to some other country and have children in a more man-friendly environment, I’ll just go through the reversal procedures, I suppose. I still need to do more research on it, though.
All in all, the future is looking pretty good. Graduation approaches, and I have at least two jobs I can easily land when I get my degree. Plus, I have that side gig, which seems to have strong potential.
To all you men who read this, I want to encourage you to keep working to improve your lives. Focus on self-improvement and helping others when you can. Find a network of like-minded men with whom you can meet in person, if possible. Constantly be learning and growing. I’m about to turn 22, and I do not regret the pain that brought me down the path of red pill and MGTOW philosophy because it has shown me so much truth that I can use to improve my life. Cut toxic people out of your life, and work to recruit people into your lives who provide real value and improve your situation instead of draining you.
I still have a lot to learn and a long way to go, but with the knowledge I have gained from my experience and research, I have a good feeling about the next few years.
More to come in the future. But for now, have a pleasant evening, gentleman.
Just a misogynist virgin hiding away in his mother's basement. Nothing to see here...
As you rightly say, an ‘accidental’ pregnancy is your greatest danger. This is closely followed by a #METOO allegation from a hole who didn’t get what she wanted.
As your financial value increases, so does your attractiveness – and the risk.
Getting a vasectomy is a good idea, although even that won’t protect you from a false allegation.
No contact with wimmin – Western or not – is entirely safe. It’s like mountain climbing – if you do it often enough and for long enough, then statistically, you will fall off.
You’re right, Monk. But the good news is that I generally avoid giving out my real identity to these women, and I don’t use social media. Obviously not every woman I encounter is so psychopathic as to try to ruin my life, but the crazies can camouflage themselves quite well sometimes, and the consequences of just one fun night sometimes don’t really manifest until years later. Thankfully, I have avoided leftist chicks for now, which, in my opinion, reduces the odds of incurring a false accusation. But the rest of it has to be run through a risk analysis on a case-by-case basis, I suppose. We’ll see what happens. Hopefully, I don’t end up regretting these decisions. In the end, I went in eyes open, and so far I haven’t had any particularly ugly experiences.
Just a misogynist virgin hiding away in his mother's basement. Nothing to see here...
I think you’re probably actually very much in danger of getting sucked in by a chameleon at some point once you get tired of fwbs or hookup culture. It’s good you are focusing on yourself, job, finances etc. Keep it that way and keep reading the stories of older men who were perhaps once like you.
If you fall down 7 times, get up 8
Nice to see that you’ve stopped in. Good Luck with your goals and be safe.
Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.
I had a few friends with benefits over the past few years, and I’ve grown from my experiences while also avoiding any horror stories so far.
Lastly, I’ve made an interesting connection down here in Southern California.
Good for you. Glad things appear to be working out favorably for you. Advice from someone who has been burned both personally and professionally:
Avoid women both personally and professionally. You don’t have any rights or protections. Even if she doesn’t intend to ruin your life, one phone call, one white knight, one drunken cry fest in the wrong company, can visit disaster upon you.
Engage with them only as minimally as necessary and when you do, try to make sure that it is somewhere that is both public and recorded. If you are required to work with women (you probably will be), try to limit interactions with them to mediums that leave a paper trail. Keep a daily log and when there are meetings or group activities, keep a short list of who was there. Learn from Kavanaugh.
Otherwise, good on you. Good luck
Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805Sounds like you are prospering nicely. Well done.
My advice for what it is worth is that you are looking at risk well but also avoid interactions with women that do not give you value (It is not just about what you may lose it is about what you actually gain from interacting with the gender that receives).
In practical terms this leaves very few worthwhile interactions at all. In College most interactions with women are free or at least very cheap (if you can avoid the big legal risks). As time passes interactions with women get a lot more expensive. Life is expensive and women seek men’s help with life, not just with leisure -as they do in college when they are being supported for life by parents and the big cuck state. So really look at the value point in an interaction and try to draw a mental line between fair value and poor value. This will come particularly true if you seek children at some point. If you do fall in love at some point and go all soft headed over a woman believing she is really good for your life try to at least keep value in mind and steer clear of any move that will transfer control of your assets or decision making over your life choices to her.
The advice of older men is worth taking when it comes to the nature of women. In the end market fundamentals always win out.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
I think you’re probably actually very much in danger of getting sucked in by a chameleon at some point once you get tired of fwbs or hookup culture. It’s good you are focusing on yourself, job, finances etc. Keep it that way and keep reading the stories of older men who were perhaps once like you.
I don’t think I’m in very much danger at the moment. To be honest, I’m actually more worried about what will happen as my SMV grows and I increase my wealth, status, and overall attractiveness. Your advice is solid, though. That’s why I remain in this space and keep consuming red pill and MGTOW content. Gotta keep taking my red pills, ya know?
Nice to see that you’ve stopped in. Good Luck with your goals and be safe.
Nice to see you too, amigo. Thanks for the good wishes. How are things going with you?
I had a few friends with benefits over the past few years, and I’ve grown from my experiences while also avoiding any horror stories so far.
Lastly, I’ve made an interesting connection down here in Southern California.Good for you. Glad things appear to be working out favorably for you. Advice from someone who has been burned both personally and professionally:
Avoid women both personally and professionally. You don’t have any rights or protections. Even if she doesn’t intend to ruin your life, one phone call, one white knight, one drunken cry fest in the wrong company, can visit disaster upon you.
Engage with them only as minimally as necessary and when you do, try to make sure that it is somewhere that is both public and recorded. If you are required to work with women (you probably will be), try to limit interactions with them to mediums that leave a paper trail. Keep a daily log and when there are meetings or group activities, keep a short list of who was there. Learn from Kavanaugh.
Otherwise, good on you. Good luckYou’re right about this. So far, I have only met two women in my professional environment whom I really trust and who I can honestly say have my back to a reasonable extent. Every other one has tended to treat me selfishly or just act like a bitch toward me. Women really do tend to be much worse at teamwork, and they are TERRIBLE at setting healthy boundaries. I’ve found that a good trick is to find a tolerable woman that holds some influence and use her as a shield as much as possible to mostly keep the hive off my back. Even better if she’s my boss. Better to kiss up to one woman than all of them. I’m just trying to play the corporate game here, and I’m keeping my fingers crossed that the side gig pans out because it could potentially give me “f~~~ you” money much faster than the other stuff in my life.
Just a misogynist virgin hiding away in his mother's basement. Nothing to see here...
Sounds like you are prospering nicely. Well done.
My advice for what it is worth is that you are looking at risk well but also avoid interactions with women that do not give you value (It is not just about what you may lose it is about what you actually gain from interacting with the gender that receives).
In practical terms this leaves very few worthwhile interactions at all. In College most interactions with women are free or at least very cheap (if you can avoid the big legal risks). As time passes interactions with women get a lot more expensive. Life is expensive and women seek men’s help with life, not just with leisure -as they do in college when they are being supported for life by parents and the big cuck state. So really look at the value point in an interaction and try to draw a mental line between fair value and poor value. This will come particularly true if you seek children at some point. If you do fall in love at some point and go all soft headed over a woman believing she is really good for your life try to at least keep value in mind and steer clear of any move that will transfer control of your assets or decision making over your life choices to her.
The advice of older men is worth taking when it comes to the nature of women. In the end market fundamentals always win out.This is a good gem of advice. Thank you, sir. Say what you will about Rich Cooper (I know he’s been embroiled in some controversy lately, largely due to his own foolish words), but this is one of my favorite ideas he espouses.
Just a misogynist virgin hiding away in his mother's basement. Nothing to see here...
I had a few friends with benefits over the past few years, and I’ve grown from my experiences while also avoiding any horror stories so far.
Lastly, I’ve made an interesting connection down here in Southern California.Good for you. Glad things appear to be working out favorably for you. Advice from someone who has been burned both personally and professionally:
Avoid women both personally and professionally. You don’t have any rights or protections. Even if she doesn’t intend to ruin your life, one phone call, one white knight, one drunken cry fest in the wrong company, can visit disaster upon you.
Engage with them only as minimally as necessary and when you do, try to make sure that it is somewhere that is both public and recorded. If you are required to work with women (you probably will be), try to limit interactions with them to mediums that leave a paper trail. Keep a daily log and when there are meetings or group activities, keep a short list of who was there. Learn from Kavanaugh.
Otherwise, good on you. Good luckThis. Listen to this. Everyone thinks they are being careful playing with fire. Just avoid them, especially off the clock. I know its not what you want to hear at 22, I wouldn’t want to, I remember 22. You are aware of truths at 22 many guys never learn their entire lives. But being aware of them doesn’t do anything unless you act on them. Don’t get involved with modern women. You are going to get destroyed because gynosociety at every level is just ready to fukk you over on a moment’s female heresay statememt. Things are much worse for men now than they were 30 years ago. And it was bad then, most didn’t see it.
Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.
I know what you mean, Secret Agent. I do generally avoid interacting with women from work, and I also usually avoid letting other women know where I work. As I said before, though, in my line of work it is necessary to interact with women, and I therefore need to take measures other than simply avoiding them. I have multiple recording apps on my phone, though, and I do use them consistently.
Just a misogynist virgin hiding away in his mother's basement. Nothing to see here...
I’m early 50’s now, and have been mostly following OPs advice since I was in my early 20’s. It is a solid plan, and has resulted in me getting to place where I have f’k you money now, with minimal losses to women along the way. This post feels like writing to my 22 year old self, so here’s what I would tell myself in the early 1980’s:
you are correct in assuming that you will become a more and more attractive target as your wealth and smv increases. But you may be underestimating the determination of the women who will target you. There really aren’t any limits anymore to what they can do in their effort to target you. Family, culture, law, media etc. as mechanisms for imposing any sort of limits or consequences have all been broken down. Deep down, they have been led to strongly believe that everything they intend to take from you are things that you OWE them anyway. So any resistance they detect from you will cause them to feel that they are being cheated by you. Many of them will be enraged by it, and will react accordingly. Though it can be possible to successfully defend yourself from those attacks once they have started, it’s a much more efficient way to go through life being under the radar and undetected. Those defenses, even when successful, require time, effort and money that could be better spent improving your life in other ways.
This may sound paranoid, so I’ll address that now: When you assess a risk, there are only 3 ways that your assessment can compare to the actual risk. 1) You can underestimate the risk. This will result in you being blindsided by it. This is the disaster you are trying most to avoid. 2) You can estimate it perfectly accurately, every single time you encounter it. If you do this, you will not spend any more resources on avoiding the risk than is minimally necessary to avoid it damaging you. 3) You can overestimate the risk. You can take more precautions than are necessary. You can go further under the radar. You can do more than is necessary to camouflage your assets and smv. This will likely cause you to appear paranoid, and possibly to even feel paranoid.
#1 is the option to avoid. #2 is impossible. Nobody is perfect every single time for the entire lifetime.
The only other option is #3. If you don’t appear and feel at least a little like #3, then it’s only a matter of time before you end up being successfully targeted because you underestimated the risk ONE TIME.
And the best way to know that you are navigating down that #3 pathway is this: In your 20’s, your elders and your peers will say you are paranoid about women. But as you age into your 50’s, those same people will slowly stop criticizing you. Then, they will stop passing judgment on you at all. And finally, in your 50’s, when you are making plans to retire on a beach somewhere, they will be saying how smart you have always been, as if they thought that way about you all along. So make sure you are being careful enough to make people say you are paranoid. That’s how you know you are doing it right.
See you on the beach… 😉
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
You’re absolutely right, BrainPilot. The good news is that plenty of people accuse me of being paranoid about women. I also avoid involving my close social circle in the girls I may be sleeping with in order to avoid drama.
I know that society is against me, but young men like me are in an unfortunate situation in that if we begin to actually ACT as if society is against me, then I risk making more enemies or churning up more drama for myself.
Believe me, though, plenty of people have told me “sometimes you just need to take a chance on a girl” or “you’ll never find someone if you keep rejecting girls/avoiding them”, but most of those people don’t know that I’ve already f~~~ed more than one girl just before she got into a dramatic relationship and made some other guy’s life REALLY hard, and I’m not interested in being on the other end of that equation. I’ve been in the position where I got good sex almost completely drama free, and then the girl decides she “wants something serious”, finds another guy, and makes his life miserable. I’m not interested in putting myself in that situation. The longer I live here in the Los Angeles area, the more I realize how common this s~~~ is, and it’s rather disgusting. But hey, every day is a new redpill, amiright?
Just a misogynist virgin hiding away in his mother's basement. Nothing to see here...
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