Illegal Immigration is Racist.

[Anonymous 14]

Yep, you heard it right, Joe, aka Not Sure is going to break it down for you, and on this one I am Pretty Damn Sure. So, if you wanna knock out a Leftist Cuck with logic, grab a pen and paper and get ready. (wtf did I just say, copy and paste this s~~~ somewhere, better yet, add old Joe to your favorites)

So, I was watching The View (don’t hit the Tuna alert just yet) a few days ago when Ann Coulter was on, let’s call it monitoring the enemy as I really just wanted to see exactly how they would evicerate her. Of course I got to hear Whoopie Goldberg get in the last word about Trump being racist when he made the comments about Mexican Rapists, Coulter was trying to defend Trump by saying he was talking about illegals, and not all Mexicans, she in fact made a decent point and said that Trump was talking about non American citizens, but really, there is a far greater arguement to be had here, one which turns the tables and puts your opponent in a virtual Check Mate.

And here we go-

Firstly, for Whoopies assertion to hold any weight she would have to be a bit of a racist herself, in the fact that she believes that all Mexican citizens are of the same race, which in fact, they are not. But, ok, lets give her this point, in fact our whole arguement depends on this perception, and that is that those crossing the border to the south of us are of the same race, and, for the most part, they are when generalized. So far so good. If the U.S. Illegal Immigration problem is mainly due to a weak southern border, and we keep giving the people who are predominantly of the same race who cross it a pass, is it not then racist to do so when people of other races from countries that do not have a border that they can illegally cross to get into the U.S. have to do so LEGALLY? Isn’t racism giving one race preferential treatment over another or many others? All one has to do is think about people from all over the world who have to wait YEARS to get U.S. citizenship legally, Africans, Europeans, Arabs, Chinese, Tibetans… whatever, you name it. Therefore our Immigration policies are indeed racist, racist in favor of those who are at our southern border, and an actual wall is indeed needed as well as enforcement of already existing laws to fix this out of control racist paradigm. Sanctuary cities are racist as well based on the same principals. There is no counter arguement for this that I can see that makes much sense beyond more whining and bitching. The current paradigm we live in regarding Immigration is indeed racist, racist in favor of those who border the U.S. to the south.

Disclaimer: This was written while extremely stoned, and from the perspective of a U.S. citizen. I do not claim to be an expert on other countries affairs, and the dynamics are different anyhow for each one. I have also done a Google search, going a few pages deep and I cannot find this arguement in this form, I surely cannot be the first to argue it this way, but if I am then I hope Fox or Breitbart gives me a call and offers me a job…I won’t be holding my breath though, I will, however, be holding my bong.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

From the Mexican perspective you are right. Mexicans, in particular the ruling class are largely light skinned and the descendants of Castilian Spanish. Their darker skinned citizens are generally from native stock, and are looked down upon. Hence the Mexican government sees them as generally undesirable peons and gratefully aids them leaving Mexico for the US. So yes it is racist. And its a dirty little secret you’ll never hear from the libtards.

[bladeParticipant]

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[bladeParticipant]

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[Anonymous 14]

PistolPete wrote:

From the Mexican perspective you are right. Mexicans, in particular the ruling class are largely light skinned and the descendants of Castilian Spanish. Their darker skinned citizens are generally from native stock, and are looked down upon. Hence the Mexican government sees them as generally undesirable peons and gratefully aids them leaving Mexico for the US. So yes it is racist. And its a dirty little secret you’ll never hear from the libtards.

Seems to me that only bolsters my argument in the fact that you are agreeing that it is more a race and not a cross section that is coming in via the southern border as my argument rests on the idea that this race is getting preferential treatment vs. other races from around the globe in the fact that they have easy entrance and Sanctuary Cities.

[Anonymous 14]

blade wrote:

A bit of floyd goes good when stoned bro . My pleasure

All the time man, all the time. I have been kind of into UFO 1 and 2 of late though. Dirty early 70’s s~~~.

[bladeParticipant]

Didn’t mind that at all . Best stoner music ever give it a try you will thank me .

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[narwhalParticipant]

The problem with every race based argument, is that you have to ignore all logical reasoning and blindly assume motivation.

So the left will say that rights don’t want illegal immigrants because they are racist. To make that argument you have to first prove…

– illegal immigrants aren’t a drain on the economy
– illegal immigrants are all of the same race primarily
– illegal immigrants don’t have a significant impact on culture.
– illegal immigrants don’t take advantage of government entitlements.

On and on and on. If you can’t do that, then you have to pretend that the person making these logical arguments doesn’t really care about them. He’s lying about his motivation. You’re smarting then him and know his real motivation. Because you wouldn’t care about that if it was a white illegal immigrant.

Ignore logical arguments and assume motivation.

The problem with your ‘reverse’ argument, that a wall must be built in order to preserve equal access to all imimgrants, if you oppose you must favor the Hispanic race…is you know it’s all bulls~~~. You know that those who oppose the wall don’t favor Hispanics over other races. You aren’t even pretending to believe it.

Taking it from a different POV, a big part of racism is in just acknowledging that there are differences in races. Your race is a part of what makes you who you are. To be 100% free of racism, just not have any notions about a persons race, or even believe that a person would behave differently if the were a different race. No recognition of race. But in order to recognize racism when you see it, you have to recognize that the person you are accusing of racism is a different race then the victim of racism. The only exception would be when a person bluntly tells you they “don’t like XXX people”, their motivation is raced based. Otherwise, you have to recognize race and assume motivation…which is in fact racist.

Personally, I think people should strive to consider race as the last possible motivation for a person’s actions, not the first. Eliminate any other logic reason first before you assume racism.

And really, back on topic, building the wall to promote racial equality is a pretty lousy reason, particularly when there are so many solid logical reasons for building the wall.

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 14]

narwhal wrote:

And really, back on topic, building the wall to promote racial equality is a pretty lousy reason, particularly when there are so many solid logical reasons for building the wall.

Yea, though my argument is not about promoting racial equality so much as it is about pointing out racial inequality when it comes to immigration due to the circumstances I state above, and racial equality always seems to be the crux of any Leftist argument so I just turn the tables around on them here to make a point, one that if they were serious about racial equality they would be making themselves.

And I also agree with your no recognition of race premise, but it is all the Left seems to be focused on, all I tried to do here was beat them at their own game.

[Y_Participant 4591]

A very good post and discussion. Thanks JB.

I would like to draw a parallel if I may – without coming to any conclusions. I am leaving the legality out of this for the time being.

The United States deals (for the time being) with Mexican migrants who are mostly Christian and of a stock that is culturally adaptable to the United States. This Mexican ‘invasion’ is not a recent phenomenon – but quite an old game used to gain political points.

The key elements in the debate are the education, criminality and poverty of the migrants.

Race is always a target but no politician nor study has concluded how race is of consequence as the culture and religion are are not incompatible with the Southern United States. Therefore this seems to me more a social issue – not a race issue.

That being said – the racial makeup of the US is without a doubt affected – but that is a by-product of the migration. It is not part of the actual problem which is education, criminality and poverty.

Within a generation – given the social ability and the proper law enforcement – most migrants and their children can integrate into the system. History has shown this and many have adjusted. I repeat – the problem has been always education, criminality and poverty.

Yes there is a different level of ethnicity – but is that a problem? The US has always been a melting pot. Or used to be.

It is not a fundamental ideology like Islam that is being resisted – but rather the criminality of individual gangs and organised mafia. At the end of the day that is all they will be – or can be. The problem starts and stops there.

In reality is it the fear of the current racial and cultural balance being displaced by an influx of Mexican immigrants that is driving this agenda?

Is race the reason that education, criminality and poverty exist in Mexico and will this behaviour be transferred along with the migrants?

In essence the fear is the problem is inherent in the race – that appears to be the thrust of the argument.

Compare that with Europe where the invasion is religion that runs a counter-culture. One that is not compatible with any competing racial or social norms. Again is race a factor in the religious make-up of the Islamic refugees?

Note that race is always used in the MSM as the focus of any ‘problem’.

Just my observations.

[Anonymous 14]

Y_ wrote:

Note that race is always used in the MSM as the focus of any ‘problem’.

Yea, that was my main point, that of turning the tables around on an argument against those who always focus on race. I personally have nothing against Latinos. I grew up with my best friends being of Latin descent as a kid… My main effort here was to point out that one race has it easier in regards to coming to, and then staying in the U.S. than others, therefore when viewed in this context our current system is indeed racist. Everything else you just touched was not even anything I was worried about, but of course it is all something to be considered in other conversations.

[Y_Participant 4591]

Anonymous wrote:

My main effort here was to point out that one race has it easier in regards to coming to, and then staying in the U.S. than others, therefore when viewed in this context our current system is indeed racist. Everything else you just touched was not even anything I was worried about, but of course it is all something to be considered in other conversations.

I agree 100% with your thoughts. The system favours some groups above others. I am just seeking to approach the problem from another angle.

Apologies if I was not clear previously. I am not saying that illegal immigrants from Mexico should be given priority or should be allowed to stay. My position is that race should have very little to do with the immigration argument.

I am glad you brought up this topic – a very important one. Hope to see more from you sir.

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