If NAWALTs were abundant, would MGTOW exist?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I am thinking of doing a video on this subject here, and the nature of MGTOW, so I figured I would bounce it off the forum here, that involves the core of what drives MGTOW and its identity.

You have the low-level and crass taunt thrown at MGTOW that “You can’t get laid!” This one is laughable, but I think there is one akin to it, that probably hits closer to home and is the basis of “NAWALT”.  That is something like, “You just haven’t found the right woman!”.  While the later is arguably somewhat less inane, and maybe more socially acceptable, it still hits at the core point of the problem with MGTOW, is that it is men who just haven’t found the right woman, either for sex, or a meaningful relationship.

So, I am going to ask here: Say the NAWALT was very abundant, and almost all men, except maybe TFL guys, were able to find the near perfect woman, who would remain faithful, stay in shape, offer emotional support, and actually end up supporting men in what they wanted to do for fun.  The women could enjoy sports with men, and understand it, or if a man prefers, the woman he is with will let him be alone, and spend time with her woman friends.  It would just work out, and you wouldn’t end up with messy divorces either.  In short, the near perfect match.

Say that this was the situation.  Would MGTOW disappear, or never existed to begin with?  Is the problem primarily the nature of women, and if they were just different, then MGTOW wouldn’t be around?  I actually removed a video I had on hatred and so on, but I felt it was deeper and more at the core, it seems a chunk of MGTOW issues is the nature of women (either biologically or social conditioning).

If MGTOW is deeper than that, what do you see is a drive for MGTOW to do what they do, beyond the problem with the nature of women?

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

If half a box of grenades were live and half duds would you pick one and pull the pin?

While there are any like that you don’t know what your getting, and today they’re all “like that”.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

If half a box of grenades were live and half duds would you pick one and pull the pin? While there are any like that you don’t know what your getting, and today they’re all “like that”.

Part of my question is to look at the nature of MGTOW for positive reasons to be MGTOW, besides the avoidance of playing around with grenades because they may go off.  A practical reason for asking this is, say you run into a woman and it seems like she will be a NAWALT.  Does a man have positive reasons that would still keep him going his own way, or is it just to avoid the problem woman.

The thing about that box of grenades, is that men are wired to want to go into there, and play with them.  They hope they give them fireworks, and maybe produce little Mini-Me’s by playing around with them.  Take away the chance of there being a grenade that goes off, why does a MGTOW still not go in the box?

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[experiencedParticipant]

HR’s got the point.

When you last heard, “people change…” was it a female voice or male?”

“Grenades change,” I’m not reaching in anymore.

You are welcome to, but please be careful,

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[DurdenParticipant 1051]

NAWALT is an argument used by pro-women and their proponents to turn your rational argument into nothing. Sames goes for you can never get laid and you have been hurt. They are general reflections to ignore what you are trying to say. Best way to deal with it is to press more or you can ask their opinion and then press again. Sort of like a fake pump in basketball.

Remember women emotions are their own worst enemies. They can come up with impossible irrational fears no man can comprehend. Stick a stick in the hamster wheel and s~~~ goes nuclear.

To other point there have always been MGTOWs. Brilliant men who found the companionship of women to be inferior to great scientific achievements. There have also been some men found unacceptable or socially or genetically inferior. But it is rare throughout history to find a man who was willing to work to attract a wife or at least share a wife until current times. In when no women would give up the jay it would be a very extreme case with high social stigma. Such as one being physically and/or mentally retarded. Instances where it would hurt the group significantly.

It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I understand your question beyond the fear of being burned. There have been MGTOW throughout history. Einstein didn’t live with his wife. She was on a different continent and look at the mind bending genius that came from that.

I truly believe that spending time with women is wasting important human resource of yourself for someone chicks benefit. They may not be “all like that” but they all need a ton of attention and that takes time.

I’m making real forward motion with my life. I know the difference. I was married twice and lived with two other women. Now that was a waste of time. A waste that with the divorce laws took many productive years from my life.

I still have needs. Hump’em and dump’em like our famous Dr. Einstein. There could not be a better role model for the utility of going your own way independent of how women are.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

One direction I am looking to do with my YouTube channel is to look at what men going MGTOW can do, once they freed their mind of gynocentrism, and aren’t able to get played. I would be looking at a side of MGTOW, that looks at life free of these influences, and what it can be like.

I am seeing topic fatigue on YouTube, where I see channels dropping MGTOW, because of burnout over some of the focus on the nature of women being evil being done, and expressed in ways that offers fodder to feminists.  So, I want to see other things that are positive and lead somewhere, so I am trying to focus on that.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[The_reality_factorParticipant 211]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

Is the problem primarily the nature of women, and if they were just different, then MGTOW wouldn’t be around?

It is not the main driver. The primary driver is the loss a man, on average, suffers in a relationship break down. This loss tends to be financial, emotional and if there are children involved, many women attempt to alienate the children from the father. Family laws favour women too much and the risk of loss is great to a man.

There appears to be varying levels of MGTOW, men who want absolutely nothing to do with women. Right through to players, and those in-between the extremes. The common theme appears that these men do not wish to share their precious resources with females.

Women by their very nature are always pushing their own agendas, even if they are not psychologically aware of it. Enlightened males, fully understand this concept and factor in the risks and complications associated with it. In the world of reality, all women are like this!

Most males in relationships are manipulated by women. They may be aware of it or not, but the reason they all tolerate it is for only one reason – SEX.  If a women stops having sex with a male for a very long extended period of time – watch him leave her and find another 😉

The male’s sex drive, makes him a slave by nature…..quite sad when you think about it (when off topic a bit here).

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

Yes mgtows was still exist if there was a surplus of Nawalts in society.

 

 

[DurdenParticipant 1051]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

One direction I am looking to do with my YouTube channel is to look at what men going MGTOW can do, once they freed their mind of gynocentrism, and aren’t able to get played. I would be looking at a side of MGTOW, that looks at life free of these influences, and what it can be like. I am seeing topic fatigue on YouTube, where I see channels dropping MGTOW, because of burnout over some of the focus on the nature of women being evil being done, and expressed in ways that offers fodder to feminists. So, I want to see other things that are positive and lead somewhere, so I am trying to focus on that.

I think that’s a great idea. Pretty much the concept of I’m MGTOW so what now. It could be either generalized or if you have the passion I would suggest making yourself the known expert such as the MGTOW explorer (if you liked the outdoors). Actually displaying and talking about what it is like to follow a passion after becoming MGTOW.

It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Durden wrote:

richardhutnik wrote:

One direction I am looking to do with my YouTube channel is to look at what men going MGTOW can do, once they freed their mind of gynocentrism, and aren’t able to get played. I would be looking at a side of MGTOW, that looks at life free of these influences, and what it can be like. I am seeing topic fatigue on YouTube, where I see channels dropping MGTOW, because of burnout over some of the focus on the nature of women being evil being done, and expressed in ways that offers fodder to feminists. So, I want to see other things that are positive and lead somewhere, so I am trying to focus on that.

I think that’s a great idea. Pretty much the concept of I’m MGTOW so what now. It could be either generalized or if you have the passion I would suggest making yourself the known expert such as the MGTOW explorer (if you liked the outdoors). Actually displaying and talking about what it is like to follow a passion after becoming MGTOW.

I am planning on making a video available next week look at this, which I call MGTOW 3.0.  I did post this before, but it fits here:

TFL discusses MGTOW 1.0, tied to the manifesto and the call to make women more feminine, to what would be MGTOW 2.0, which seems focused on the nature of women, and avoiding the evils.  I have to wonder what comes next after that.  I see the 2.0 as an extension of MRM and focused on combating and being aware of the evils associated with the nature of women or feminism or gynocentrism (whatever it is, the line of thought has to do with evil and it is tied to women somehow).  I do think to reduce the risks of burnout, and to give motivation and cut down infighting I am seeing breaking out, there is going to have to be something else coming in.  There is a need for a break from this, and way too many men are lost in this society.  Men don’t know themselves and have confidence unless it involves a women in their life.  While there are men for whom this would be ok, I would say with MGTOW that there is a call to an increasing number of straight men that the social norms with having a woman don’t fit them.  I see this with the Herbivores in Japan as an example.

I think a big trick for MGTOW 3,0 is the ability to have men find their way, while also being men, and being heterosexual, and doing it without it being a power structure thing.  It is going to be more the power of going your own way and a toolbox of stuff men can choose to use.

Perhaps MGTOW 4.0 which can follow, will end up being Galt’s Gulch (and less Project Mayhem) where it isn’t just the gynocentrism they are free from, but all systems of manipulation.  I think that may be too far out though, and too much speculation.  And saying this, maybe I should do a video on “From Project Mayhem to Galt’s Gulch” regarding MGTOW.

So, I will look to talk this way here, more on what to do as a single man, more than the fighting against X.

For myself, and this was before MGTOW, the idea of identity and finding myself in this day and age was in mind, and having it translate into a vocation was there.  That is what resonates in MGTOW for me, and I am hoping I can get some stuff in place.  I do have MGTOWN.net ready to do something.  I just am not quite sure what here.  I also want to move past just doing videos to things that help.

So, if anyone wants to know where I am heading that is where I am, and I welcome others to be involved here also.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[WolveParticipant 191]

When I think of MGTOW’s nature it mainly comes from having felt the pain that the problems of our society brings and with that comes our wish for a place that is better, a place that does not have those problems, one where we can be ourselves instead of whipped slaves of society.
And thus I think that the nature of MGTOW is a wish to create a place inside or outside of ourselves that doesn’t have those problems and where we can be who we want without the whip but most of us have given up on changing what is outside… society because it is a feminism infested zombie plague. and you probably thought the zombie apocalypses in movies were bad think again. So we change what is inside, we improve ourselves learning to avoid those problems and go our own way to a path of self improvement aka becoming who we want to be.
At least that is my view on things I hope it helped.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

I think we all thought we had met a nawalt at some point ….. however ☺

Now if I woke up one day and the world was awash with them …… you would need to ask them what ‘they’ think a nawalt is.

Because after becoming mgtow I’ve discovered a few things.

1. I don’t want a woman 24/7 in my life.

2. Or my house

3. What is mine is mine period

4. If I want to go somewhere alone I will do it.

5. I will do what I want with no question.

She can also do the same.

You see … the thing is … I’m free now …. and hypersensitive to any form of restrictions on my life.

A nawalt would very much have to be …… well … like me.

No woman could do that. They prefer safety to freedom.

I’m not an indoor cat …. they are. I need to go mark some bushes 😆

Nawalt everywhere is a lovely fantasy ….. I will rub one out over that later 😃

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Even if they were NAWALT’s I doubt anybody would change their stance on marriage.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

Who cares if nawalt’s exist anyway?
If you get married she’s more than likely not to be a nawalt. Then, we all know what’s in for your butt if she gets bored of you.
Plus anyway, I love my freedom too much to engage in a relationship.

It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.

[WolveParticipant 191]

Richardhutnik this question provoked some thought in me so I was thinking of making a video about the question “Would MGTOW exist” is it alright if I credit you (with your forum name) for starting this?

[AFTParticipant 2726]

If the laws were changed and women lost it all in a divorce, would they be so inclined to marriage?
Until the laws don’t change, there will be no such thing as a NAWALT.
MGTOW IS THE BEST COARSE.
Hypothetically if the laws did change we could focus on creating rather than protecting ourselves all the time.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Anonymous 11]

ILiveAgain wrote:

1. I don’t want a woman 24/7 in my life.

2. Or my house

3. What is mine is mine period

4. If I want to go somewhere alone I will do it.

5. I will do what I want with no question.

ILA, very well put. I live by those 5 points to a tee.

[Anonymous 42]

The only way NAWALTS can exist: A women must be considered as “property”, and the constitution reflect that we have the right to life, liberty, and “PROPERTY”, other than that, you must “legally” let them go and play on the c~~~ carousal any time they desire, and foot the bill for their mischief, or simply become MGTOW instead….

Ahhh, the peace and tranquility of being a MGHOW, and not some governmental female’s drone to be disposed of on the slightest whim, make that “plundered” and disposed of on the slightest whim!

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5118]

There is so such thing as a NAWALT.  The best a man can hope for is a high functioning SWABTO.

Sovereignty above all else.

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