You have the low-level and crass taunt thrown at MGTOW that “You can’t get laid!” This one is laughable, but I think there is one akin to it, that probably hits closer to home and is the basis of “NAWALT”.  That is something like, “You just haven’t found the right woman!”.  While the later is arguably somewhat less inane, and maybe more socially acceptable, it still hits at the core point of the problem with MGTOW, is that it is men who just haven’t found the right woman, either for sex, or a meaningful relationship.

So, I am going to ask here: Say the NAWALT was very abundant, and almost all men, except maybe TFL guys, were able to find the near perfect woman, who would remain faithful, stay in shape, offer emotional support, and actually end up supporting men in what they wanted to do for fun.  The women could enjoy sports with men, and understand it, or if a man prefers, the woman he is with will let him be alone, and spend time with her woman friends.  It would just work out, and you wouldn’t end up with messy divorces either.  In short, the near perfect match.

Say that this was the situation.  Would MGTOW disappear, or never existed to begin with?  Is the problem primarily the nature of women, and if they were just different, then MGTOW wouldn’t be around?  I actually removed a video I had on hatred and so on, but I felt it was deeper and more at the core, it seems a chunk of MGTOW issues is the nature of women (either biologically or social conditioning).

If MGTOW is deeper than that, what do you see is a drive for MGTOW to do what they do, beyond the problem with the nature of women?

While there are any like that you don’t know what your getting, and today they’re all “like that”.

If half a box of grenades were live and half duds would you pick one and pull the pin? While there are any like that you don’t know what your getting, and today they’re all “like that”.

Part of my question is to look at the nature of MGTOW for positive reasons to be MGTOW, besides the avoidance of playing around with grenades because they may go off.  A practical reason for asking this is, say you run into a woman and it seems like she will be a NAWALT.  Does a man have positive reasons that would still keep him going his own way, or is it just to avoid the problem woman.

The thing about that box of grenades, is that men are wired to want to go into there, and play with them.  They hope they give them fireworks, and maybe produce little Mini-Me’s by playing around with them.  Take away the chance of there being a grenade that goes off, why does a MGTOW still not go in the box?

When you last heard, “people change…” was it a female voice or male?”

“Grenades change,” I’m not reaching in anymore.

You are welcome to, but please be careful,

Remember women emotions are their own worst enemies. They can come up with impossible irrational fears no man can comprehend. Stick a stick in the hamster wheel and s~~~ goes nuclear.

To other point there have always been MGTOWs. Brilliant men who found the companionship of women to be inferior to great scientific achievements. There have also been some men found unacceptable or socially or genetically inferior. But it is rare throughout history to find a man who was willing to work to attract a wife or at least share a wife until current times. In when no women would give up the jay it would be a very extreme case with high social stigma. Such as one being physically and/or mentally retarded. Instances where it would hurt the group significantly.

I truly believe that spending time with women is wasting important human resource of yourself for someone chicks benefit. They may not be “all like that” but they all need a ton of attention and that takes time.

I’m making real forward motion with my life. I know the difference. I was married twice and lived with two other women. Now that was a waste of time. A waste that with the divorce laws took many productive years from my life.

I still have needs. Hump’em and dump’em like our famous Dr. Einstein. There could not be a better role model for the utility of going your own way independent of how women are.

I am seeing topic fatigue on YouTube, where I see channels dropping MGTOW, because of burnout over some of the focus on the nature of women being evil being done, and expressed in ways that offers fodder to feminists.  So, I want to see other things that are positive and lead somewhere, so I am trying to focus on that.

Is the problem primarily the nature of women, and if they were just different, then MGTOW wouldn’t be around?

It is not the main driver. The primary driver is the loss a man, on average, suffers in a relationship break down. This loss tends to be financial, emotional and if there are children involved, many women attempt to alienate the children from the father. Family laws favour women too much and the risk of loss is great to a man.

There appears to be varying levels of MGTOW, men who want absolutely nothing to do with women. Right through to players, and those in-between the extremes. The common theme appears that these men do not wish to share their precious resources with females.

Women by their very nature are always pushing their own agendas, even if they are not psychologically aware of it. Enlightened males, fully understand this concept and factor in the risks and complications associated with it. In the world of reality, all women are like this!

Most males in relationships are manipulated by women. They may be aware of it or not, but the reason they all tolerate it is for only one reason – SEX.  If a women stops having sex with a male for a very long extended period of time – watch him leave her and find another 😉

The male’s sex drive, makes him a slave by nature…..quite sad when you think about it (when off topic a bit here).

One direction I am looking to do with my YouTube channel is to look at what men going MGTOW can do, once they freed their mind of gynocentrism, and aren’t able to get played. I would be looking at a side of MGTOW, that looks at life free of these influences, and what it can be like. I am seeing topic fatigue on YouTube, where I see channels dropping MGTOW, because of burnout over some of the focus on the nature of women being evil being done, and expressed in ways that offers fodder to feminists. So, I want to see other things that are positive and lead somewhere, so I am trying to focus on that.

I think that’s a great idea. Pretty much the concept of I’m MGTOW so what now. It could be either generalized or if you have the passion I would suggest making yourself the known expert such as the MGTOW explorer (if you liked the outdoors). Actually displaying and talking about what it is like to follow a passion after becoming MGTOW.