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I wish to rant…
This is spawned out of TFM’s ZFG series on youtube.
TFM’s series was pretty good in what he had to say but I felt there was contradictions. I basically wrote this as if I were talking to myself.
Someday I will die, someday I will be forgotten.
To what meaning then is my life? Why was I born and why must I die?
If nothing I will do matters in the face of the Universe, what is the point of living?
So it comes, the fight against Neo-Nihilism. And as a challenge, I will not include what religion has to say about the meaning of life. I am fighting for the direct meaning of life. God is absolutely dead, but we are his legacy!
I would argue against this Idea that if “Life has no meaning” then what of the words that make up the statement “Life has no meaning”, the words that make up this statement have meaning, but not life in question. It seems that when Life is talked about the idea of it meaning something is left out just to give power to the person denouncing the meaning of life.
Words of any given language have meaning because individuals fought for them to have meaning, so there could be understanding in the world, the reason why they were successful is because they fought by the numbers. Now that the fight is over we don’t think twice about the meaning of a word.
Does this mean in order for life to have to meaning, one actually has to fight to give it meaning?
Talk about one definition of nihilism for a second,
extreme skepticism maintaining that nothing in the world has a real existence.
This is found from a google search of the word of ‘Nihilism’.
This plays into what I just typed up about words having meaning, if “nothing in the world has a real existence” how in fact am I supposed to believe it in the first place? This is probably a weak argument against nihilism, but what I’m trying to point out if existence isn’t real why then do we still experience existence?Here some nutcase will tell me, that life is a simulation. But to what degree is the simulation a simulation of a simulation of a simulation? At what point will it be real? This nutcase doesn’t want it to be real because that would mean they would have to be responsible for it, accountable for it. OH SURE! They want the point that “nothing is real” to be real and believable, that would be the only real thing, nothing else though.
You just have to face it, existence is real and is in your face, existence is like that bully at school you try to avoid.
As of writing this I am coming to find my own personal truth about life. This truth I believe is that life’s intrinsic value is conflict. To come back and say “No your wrong, life means nothing.” just proves this because you are creating conflict over the meaning of life.
People of the typical blue pill mindset, are more than happy to believe that THEIR life have has no meaning but everyone else’s life does. To this, I understand why there is section on the MGTOW forum called Blue-pill HELL.
Nihilism is the means to tenderize the soul for the sacrificial fires, it is meant to make it easier for you to submit to your circumstances, and the will of so-called society.
By declaring “Life has no meaning” is to kill all hope of it ever being discovered, One’s own meaning is subjectively relative to the person experiencing life. The aim of the statement “Life has no meaning” is to make you give up and adapt the so called ‘ZFG mindset’. But when questioned, “Oh why don’t you date women?” suddenly you give a f~~~ and must defend why you don’t date women. It’s either you give zero f~~~s about everything, or you stand for something, none of this “well I have a ZFG mindset about these specific things but not these other things.”
SIDE RANT(optional reading):
GOD F~~~ING FORBID! That to every foolish man that had died in the fight against Nazism in world war II believed that their life and way of life was something of value. I MEAN F~~~ IF THE ACT OF THESE MEN DOESN’T MATTER IN THE FACE OF THE UNIVERSE, AND WOULD OF BEEN FORGOTTEN AFTER ALL WE SHOULD OF LET THE NAZI’S WIN.I see that the last statement would generate a response along the lines “Those men were fighting for the gynocentrism of allies” but to then what do we owe the freedom we have today? No one ever thinks of the gynocentrism of the Nazis, sure there would of been no feminism, but there would of been this super trad-con society.
And so, with all that said I wish my points to be annihilated by you all. Show no mercy!
Show no mercy!
drivel.
iv’e had deeper insights while tying my shoes.
theoretical waste product of a bored mind.
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you asked for it.
hope that helped to annihilate your nihilism.
nothing personal.On the meaning of life, I have thought about that, and concluded there is no meaning to life except the meaning you CREATE. Otherwise it’s meaningless. We are as random and accidental as the distance of the Earth from the Sun. Any closer or farther away and there would be no life on this rock. One molecule to the left and you would have been a stain on a mattress somewhere.
So don’t drive yourself crazy pondering the meaning of life, because it doesn’t exist unless you create it. Those f~~~-sticks trying to “find themselves” are SEARCHING for meaning. You gotta MAKE it, or you’re just anther salmon swimming upstream like a moron – exhausting yourself – not knowing what the f~~~ it’s all for.
Make a point to it all. Or what’s the point?
! That to every foolish man that had died in the fight against Nazism in world war II believed that their life and way of life was something of value.
I have thought about those poor young 19 year old men, packed into those boats, with a gun shoved in their hands, waiting and knowing they would be riddled with bullets the second the doors opened – before they could even fire a single shot at the enemy the wouldn’t even see.
I have imagined being one of them.
Im not sure, but think I would have blown my own head off first.I MEAN F~~~ IF THE ACT OF THESE MEN DOESN’T MATTER IN THE FACE OF THE UNIVERSE, AND WOULD HAVE BEEN FORGOTTEN AFTER ALL WE SHOULD OF LET THE NAZI’S WIN.
No we should not have. Don’t ever say that. You devalue their lives.
They gave their lives so you would have yours.Would you give up your life so one man who died could have his back?
Then just pay your respects to them silently.
Otherwise you would be speaking German today.You wouldn’t even be permitted to write these thoughts down.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.On the meaning of life, I have it that and concluded there is no meaning to life except the meaning you CREATE. Otherwise it’s meaningless. We are as random and accidental as the distance of the Earth from the Sun. Any closer or farther away and there would be no life on this rock. Molecule to the left and you would have been a stain on a mattress somewhere.
So don’t drive yourself crazy pondering the meaning of life, because it doesn’t exist unless you create it. Those f~~~-sticks trying to “find themselves” are SEARCHING for meaning. You gotta MAKE it, or I afraid you’re just anther salmon swimming upstream like a moron – exhausting yourself – not knowing what the f~~~ it’s all for.
Make a point to it all. Or what’s the point?
! That to every foolish man that had died in the fight against Nazism in world war II believed that their life and way of life was something of value.
I have thought about those poor young 19 year old men, packed into those boats, with a gun shoved in their hands, waiting and knowing they would be riddled with bullets the second the doors opened – before they could even fire a single shot at the enemy the wouldn’t even see.
I have imagined being one of them.
Im not sure, but think I would have blown my own head off first.I MEAN F~~~ IF THE ACT OF THESE MEN DOESN’T MATTER IN THE FACE OF THE UNIVERSE, AND WOULD HAVE BEEN FORGOTTEN AFTER ALL WE SHOULD OF LET THE NAZI’S WIN.
No we should not have. Don’t ever say that. You devalue their lives.
They gave their lives so you would have yours.Would you give up your life so one man who died could have his back?
Then just pay your respects to them silently.
Otherwise you would be speaking German today.This is exactly the point I’m trying to get at.
This is exactly the point I’m trying to get at.
I didn’t get that from your paragraphs. Especially the part in caps. Sounded like you were saying the total opposite.
I MEAN F~~~ IF THE ACT OF THESE MEN DOESN’T MATTER IN THE FACE OF THE UNIVERSE, AND WOULD OF BEEN FORGOTTEN AFTER ALL WE SHOULD OF LET THE NAZI’S WIN.
You know what REALLY doesn’t matter????
— >> what women want.
That is the most pointless s~~~ on the planet.
And everyone acts like its f~~~ing newsworthy and needs to be discussed on a daily basis.“I’M NOT HAAAAAAAAAPY!!!! CALL THE WAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE!!!!”
“Shut the f~~~ up, ungrateful bitch. I am reflecting on a soldier who died so you could waste your afternoon at Starbucks.”.
Now that’s putting something in it’s proper perspective.
🙂
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I beleave in life after death.COMPLETELY.
My own beleaf is that threw hard ship it has made me the person i am today.If i was some spoilt f~~~ i could of ended up a different person,junkie, con man,anything worse than the human i sm today.
My view is this is class and class is in session.When i pass my sole will be well educated for the next life.
Just my thoughts
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
To my defense
I have a very awkward way of making a point.
Literally think of flint knapping, trying to make a point from stone. I do a total s~~~ job of making it, then someone else does it perfectly and I exclaim “That’s exactly what I’m trying to do!”
The parts in caps was also meant as a sarcasm the whole thing about MEN dying in world war II was sarcasm. I was trying to exemplify what it would probably mean if Life where to have no meaning, or un-creatable meaning. Like try telling every soldier that has died the Nihilistic unmeaning of life and see if they would even fight anymore.
You say create meaning, I agree but I believe one must also fight for the creation of meaning.
Really really think deep into this one.
IF THERE WAS NOTHING ,HOW COULD THERE BE NOTHING.
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
if i give you a free apartment to live in,
free food
free phone
free laptop
free clothing
you don’t have to work..
what VALUE will you assign to these things?
.
if you work for these things ,
you have pride of ownership.
.
similar situations…
VASTLY different meanings to them..
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we assign value to what we have or want.
letting others do this for us is to be in true poverty.To my defense
No need.
I am guilty of needing X-teen paragraphs to make a point, and then @sidecar comes along and says it better in 2 sentences. F~~~ing jerkoff, but I love him like a brother. 🙂
PSSSSSSST come closer…..
No really…. a little closer……
Wanna know how to kill some of that Nihilism???
OK, here it is. My gift to you.Don’t. Take. It. All. So. F~~~ing. Seriously. Take yourself and the word seriously. But don’t take OTHER people too seriously. Your universe will improve starting tomorrow. I promise.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.My gift to you.
i’m stealing some of that gift !
thanks Key !Really really think deep into this one.
IF THERE WAS NOTHING ,HOW COULD THERE BE NOTHING.
family court can figure this out
When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.
extreme skepticism maintaining that nothing in the world has a real existence
That definition is a self-defeating argument. As you pointed out, the use of words (which have meaning) are being used to convey the argument that nothing has meaning.
On the meaning of life, I have thought about that, and concluded there is no meaning to life except the meaning you CREATE.
Bingo. Life does not inherently have meaning or value, you must assign it that meaning and value, which is subjective to each individual.
I can’t prove that anything exists, or has purpose, or meaning, in my internal experience, or in the external worlds experience. But i can’t prove it doesn’t either …
I can’t prove this is a simulation, but i can’t prove it’s not.
I can’t prove this entire universe, world, and life, isn’t a lucid dream, but i can’t prove it is either.
In easy to understand terms, i think it’s safe to say, whoever, or whatever created this existence for me, and everyone else … is hiding the key to all the answers.
So until i know more, i will continue to do my best on all fronts, simulation or not.
Aaron Clarey actually posted this video fairly recently. It is good to listen to this guy on this subject because he has a lot of life experience and insight on this sort of thing.
"Question everything" - Albert Einstein
Killing Nihilism 101:
You are both gardener and farm. Nothing is for naught. It all get’s handed forward like a relay race. If you relay powerful and smart things, then thats what you contribute to society. If you take in bulls~~~, then that’s what you become and then pay-forward.
Don’t become despotic, become selective; a connoisseur and scientist for excellence. Hash it out and experiment. But above all….experiment and act. Ask questions, gather viewpoints, entertain and investigate. Feel the life blood of progress and the agony and wonder of doubt and curiosity swell within your heart.
Then look as each scenario as a playground of ideas in a world to scared to play. Be the most playful and dangerous one on the playground.
"You meet a few exceedingly forsaken, Sit around the cooler refusing domestication" Aesop Rock
I need to point out, that I don’t suffer from Nihilism, I wanted to make a thread that would address the topic for someone just entering a redpill mindset or is very suicidal. The title is meant to be said as if you were saying it to yourself.
Show no mercy!
drivel.
iv’e had deeper insights while tying my shoes.
theoretical waste product of a bored mind.
.
you asked for it.
hope that helped to annihilate your nihilism.
nothing personal.I have been meaning to address what you said for sometime but could not really explain in words.
The address I is not to complain why you said that but actually give reason to why you say what you said.
I came up with this explanation after thinking of a World War III.
To me all the World Wars had a clear enemy, a clear ideology to fight against.
Now I think if a war were to happen we would not have a clear definable enemy because of how PC this country has become. Truthfully, I don’t even know who I would be supporting in a World War III. Do I support America which has succumbed to Ultra Big Government?
if i give you a free apartment to live in,
free food
free phone
free laptop
free clothing
you don’t have to work..
what VALUE will you assign to these things?
.
if you work for these things ,
you have pride of ownership.
.
similar situations…
VASTLY different meanings to them..
.
we assign value to what we have or want.
letting others do this for us is to be in true poverty.I agree with you, but for a young man in today’s world what is the point of working for something if everything is just becoming more and more devalued and cheapened? What is the point of struggle when the typical morality of today’s society is to value nothing in this life and to hold a standard of value is evil?
I view this world in which live in as a scheme of Self Annihilation, and the only way out of it is to escape to a desert island.
I honestly want to say more, but I keep on deeply reflecting on the subject.
Anonymous3Nice topic.
We can go even for the most basic: what is the meaning of “meaning”?
Can we see the seeing?
This is not wiseguy talk, but the reflection that we are bound by our interpretations, and life “might” be beyond those interpretations.
After all, what would be our dog’s interpretation of their life?
Is it our dog’s interpretation wrong or inferior to our own?
I no longer care about meanings and purposes. I just do what I have to, what makes me happy, while being truthful to my nature.
Anonymous0[Cross-post from another thread.]
On the subject of the meaninglessness of life. Here’s how I see it:
Tl;dr version:
1) Life is meaningless. But that doesn’t mean we can do anything we want.
2) Even when life is meaningless, there are objective guides and constants such as pleasure and pain.
3) So at a minimum we can be guided by philosophies that show us how to maximize pleasure and minimize pain.Long version:
People have been living with the meaninglessness of life for a long time. Someone once asked Sigmund Freud, “What’s the purpose of life?” In typical fashion, Freud answered a question with a question: “Why should life have a purpose?”
Personally, I love the fact that life is meaningless: I think it’s precisely the pointlessness of life that makes life fun and worth living. If life were to have one single clear and universally-agreed purpose (above and beyond mere reproduction), then we would all have to spend our lives working and straining toward that one goal, like beasts of burden.
But with no clearly-defined purpose, life becomes more like a sandbox-style video game. Have fun with it, explore, travel, try new things. The pointlessness of life takes the pressure off and permits us to take risks and have fun.
Next question: If life is meaningless, then does this mean that reality is insubstantial? Does that mean that society is artificial and arbitrary?
Reality is obviously *real.* If you fall 10 feet onto a slab of concrete or fall down some stairs, you’re going to feel pain. If you take a bite of chocolate or go on a carnival ride, you’re going to feel pleasure. Those things are real.
Furthermore, pleasure and pain are a big deal. Civilization is built on the principle of trade-offs between pleasure and pain. We give up some spontaneity and freedom in order to gain the benefits of modern society and get rid of the pain of living in the wild, but we also give ourselves outlets for pleasure when possible so that life has rewards other than mere avoidance of pain. Freud wrote about this in his book “Civilization and Its Discontents.” In short, society isn’t arbitrary at all; Freud and other thinkers have found society to be a fairly effective way of dealing with something very real: Pleasure and pain.
Same with your position in society. Sure, life is meaningless, but you still have to live. There is still the outside world and its “reality checks.” There is still pleasure and pain. For example, one can say, “Life is meaningless, so I might as well eat candy 24 hours a day.” Life is indeed meaningless, but if you eat candy 24 hours a day eventually you will still have to deal with the “reality check” of weighing 300 pounds and having scurvy and other nutritional deficiencies after a few months of living that way.
The same principle is true when interacting with others in the world around you. Society is all about egos. If your ego is constantly in conflict with the egos of others around you, your ego is going to get beat down. There is a lot of inertia in society, and it’s tiring and inefficient to swim against the current all the time. So you find that balance between satisfying your own ego and putting up with constraints put on you by outside egos.
To sum up: Life is meaningless; but at the same time it’s *real*. Pleasure and pain exist, and broken bones and lacerated flesh hurt like hell. Society is built around trade-offs between pleasure and pain. So if pleasure and pain are real, then there’s a certain legitimacy to the choices that society makes. Same with your individual role in society.
Okay, so where does that leave you?
Well, take the principle of meaninglessness:
You can delve into philosophies dealing with the meaningless of life. For example, existentialism, nihilism, and absurdism. Camus, an absurdist, felt that life itself is meaningless, but *a* life can have meaning. That is, you can still chose to live in a fashion that emphasizes integrity of thought and action. It may not have meaning in the sense of leaving an indelible mark on the universe, but it will give your own life direction and purpose and stave off that feeling of floating adrift.
Or take the pleasure-and-pain principle. Here are three old schools of thought based on that principle:
Hedonism: A school of thought that argues that pleasure is the primary or most important intrinsic good. In very simple terms, a hedonist strives to maximize net pleasure (pleasure minus pain).
Ethical hedonism: The idea that all people have the right to do everything in their power to achieve the greatest amount of pleasure possible to them, assuming that their actions do not infringe on the equal rights of others. It is also the idea that every person’s pleasure should far surpass their amount of pain.
Epicureanism: Pleasure is the greatest good, but the way to attain such pleasure is to live modestly and to gain knowledge of the workings of the world and the limits of one’s desires. This led one to attain a state of tranquility (ataraxia) and freedom from fear, as well as absence of bodily pain (aponia). The combination of these two states is supposed to constitute happiness in its highest form.
These three ideas are basically philsophical justifications for “selfishness.” If you’re curious, look them up in Wikipedia.
Again, the idea here is that life itself is transitory and meaningless, but it’s still within one’s power to life a life that is enjoyable and pleasurable. And that’s actually a pretty nice way to live, as long as the cost or the effort of obtaining one’s pleasures isn’t horribly high.
Wrapping it up now:
Anyway, the point is that there are actually lots of ways of minimizing the “meaningless” of life and living a fulfilling life. The great minds of humanity have tackled the problem repeatedly and found lots of solutions. In some cases, they even embraced meaninglessness as freeing (such as the example of “life as a sandbox-style video game”). So pick a philosophy and read up on it, whether it’s Camus or Freud or Epicurus of ancient Greece or someone else entirely. There is Positivism, Humanism; more recently, Martin Seligman created Positive Psychology as a way to better the lives of those who aren’t actually ill or disordered but who could use a jump-start to a happier life; it suggests a number of routes to a happier, more fulfilled lifestyle, many involving greater engagement with the world and the people around oneself.
After that, set up your daily schedule so that it reflects the priorities of your chosen philosophy and then live according to it. See if it works for you. And if you feel anxiety, tell yourself, “Lighten up! I’m doing what’s important to me, and I’m making progress on it. There’s nothing else to be done; I just have to stick to my schedule and see what comes out of it.”
Anonymous0[video]
Aaron Clarey actually posted this video fairly recently. It is good to listen to this guy on this subject because he has a lot of life experience and insight on this sort of thing.
I liked Clarey’s video on the meaninglessness of life.
When talking about a non-religious outlook (life is meaningless), Clarey says there are three ways to keep life interesting:
1) Family; 2) A legacy; 3) HedonismI pretty much agree with him. That these are the big three. But I see the first two as pretty much the same thing: People building monuments to themselves with the idea that they are creating a kind of personal immortality: They are leaving a bit of themselves (their name, their accomplishments, their genes) behind when they die.
Nothing wrong with that. As Clary points out, it keeps you busy and gives your life meaning. But in my opinion, this idea of building monuments to yourself is really kind of what religion does: It gives you a sense of immortality. And if you’re going to go that route, you might as well go whole hog and become religious. 😀
So personally, I go the Hedonism route, as expressed in my post just above this one.
Then, after talking about the three ways to live life as detailed above, Clary asks, “What happens when you’ve done it all, had all the experiences, and run out of things to do?” He compares it to playing a video game up to the highest level and running out of things to do with it. And he doesn’t have any answers for where to go next.
Personally, I take care of that particular problem by re-inventing myself every couple years. I throw out all my old recreations and interests and try out entirely new ones. Keep things fresh and fun. Get into swing dancing and salsa dancing for a couple years, then drop it entirely and get into competitive target shooting and skydiving for a couple years. And so on.
All it takes is a little creativity. There’s always new stuff out there. You just keep an open mind and try out stuff that you wouldn’t have tried out in the past.
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