I am a MGTOW who likes kids

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Hey guys, thanks for the feedback!
I agree I overreacted and used some harsh language and made unwarranted assumptions – didn’t mean to offend anyone’s feelings.
I was new here and was going off my first impressions. My bad. I did more reading and realized where I was wrong.
Another excuse is that English is my third language so I am not as eloquent as most of you when it comes to expressing my thoughts.

This thread was just my reaction to a sentiment I saw in some of the members comments here and one of Lycas’ radio show recordings here where he said that if he fathered a child there is absolutely no way he would be involved in his/her upbringing.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Lucas BuckParticipant 51]

Russky wrote:

Continuation of the genetic and other lineage should be on top of the list for every male or human being in general. By refusing to have kids you are giving up on your future pretty much – something I don’t understand. 

I couldn’t disagree more with this statement.  Giving up on MY future by not having kids?  I don’t have a future, I will die one day and then that’s it – like everyone else.

If you like kids and want to have them then that’s your choice, go for it if you want to.  I don’t like kids but even if I loved them, I would be extremely wary of having them in today’s world.  It would be selfish of me to bring a kid into this f~~~ed up world we have created.  And it isn’t like the planet isn’t already overpopulated so it’s doubly selfish, even if our society was a good place for a kid to grow up and live in, which it is not.

[Anonymous 2]

Russky wrote:

Continuation of the genetic and other lineage should be on top of the list for every male or human being in general. By refusing to have kids you are giving up on your future pretty much – something I don’t understand.

I do not feel personally responsible for the continuation of the species. The chance I will actually live to see the day I can stop working and be with family most of the time is damn near zero, because 1/3 of my money (and thus 1/3 time worked) goes to women, children and the poor. Working folk see their collegues more then their own spouses and children. In a world that demands 40-50 hrs of work per week just to sustain oneself, I do not feel inclined to breed more meat for the grinder.

 

[kbbroilerParticipant 886]

hey Russky. First off, I don’t believe everyone here hates women and kids for that matter. I still think your mind is conditioned to white knight theory. For me, I don’t want to have kids and I’m getting a vasectomy. That doesn’t mean I hate children. The truth is children are expensive. That’s like $250,000 for 18 -25years and studies now have said that could go up to $400,000. For me, I don’t want a part of it. Also, there is the responsibility for having them. One of the things I love the most is on weekends I don’t have to get up if I don’t have too. It’s funny you mentioned it should be a number 1 priority to have kids to have kids and we’re giving up on our future if you don’t? Please don’t t say that you’re one of those people who will say, “who’s going to take care of you when you get old?” You do realize there is no guarantee of your children taking care of you. Oh and for those who are MGTOW to have children is not impossible. You can hire a surrogate or adopt. Why must you have your own gene pool to carry on a name. I think it’s more noble to adopt than to have a child. This way your helping a child in need. That’s my opinion.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Nobody in here hates kids!
VROOM VROOM moving on.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I agree with the post above about us loving children more than your average guy or woman for that matter. Let’s try an experiment. Instead of mother and father, we just called them parent A and B. A and B both work, b makes more money. A is know as belonging to a group that is well known for performing 70-80% of all child abuse. Studies say the safest place for children are in the company of parent B on average.

It is known that, on average, to a great degree, placing the child with parent B would drop poverty rates for children dramatically, the most important factor in a child’s success. (Despite the propaganda to the opposite).

Well that was the law for centuries before 150 years ago when women achieved political power and the vote was on the horizon.

The reason why MGTOW should avoid children are that in our society children belong to the female. If you were in Nazi Germany and your children automatically were inducted into the SS and then taught to report their parents you would be eager to have children?

Wake up and smell the coffee before coming here and spouting off aspersions against the fine men here.

Most are here because they loved their children so deeply, they have been permantently scarred when the children were stolen. If anything we loved our children too much. They come here to write about and deal with their feelings. Not, like feminists proclaim, do “hate on women and children” (and thanks for bringing that here).

We don’t recommend against marriage and children because we are the sensitive guys for whom this s~~~ matters.

If you want to see how women really view men who love children go out with a small child at any public park. You will see how much the women encourage your paternal instincts.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

…If you want to see how women really view men who love children go out with a small child at any public park. You will see how much the women encourage your paternal instincts.

 

I did that a lot. Never noticed anything. What are you talking about?

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

I agree with the others here and find this statement of non-fact very hurtful. KeyMaster is correct you should have turned that statement into a question about our take on women and children..

 

The problem I see within MGTOW community is that most of you guys not only despise women, but also kids, and I am not sure why.

My daughter is grown and in college now and I love her very much…she posted this online today: A 5 paragraph essay + 5 page research paper + the history and a recipe over Monte-Blanc… And tons and tons of math… Being a full time college student is overwhelming.

my reply was this:  There are no problems only solutions..Don’t be overwhelmed…Being a carnivore, I have eaten many cows in my lifetime, but never all in one bite…nibble away at it… I love you

I am sure there are more men who have not read your statement, would find it hurtful also…people have came in telling us the problem they have with mgtow before and they never get a warm welcome…always begs the question,  Why the hell are you at a place you have a problem with?

 

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@RusskyKGB

The long overdue need for directness is why this corner of the internet (and MGTOW) exists. There is much appreciation for that on a daily basis. The truth is addictive and it keeps bringing men back to the Manosphere. They may not “like” it. The pill is bitter. But it sure is addictive and we don’t get the fix anywhere else.

BIG respect for English being your third language. It’s officially mine too ,but your English is a thousand times better than my Russian. You should know I meant only to do away with “soft language”, and was only being direct…… because of the unspoken universal understanding that everyone is here to say what they mean (and mean what they say) for a refreshing change.

I definitely could have phrased it less harshly & directly, but when people see that’s how we talk around here, it keeps the weaker dispositions out of the website (and conversation) entirely. So when posting, we all understand we open ourselves up for it, but at the same time, we wouldn’t have it any other way.

The “question” is phrased as a fact far too often.
We get it all the time. You’re definitely not the first.

• “MGTOW just hate women”
• “MGTOW hate kids”

When it’s put forward like that, someone here is bound to say “OK STOP. I’m a Dad, and if you want to know how I feel about kids, f~~~ing ask me first instead of saying it like that or I will tear you a new asshole.”. As a non-father, I only stepped in to say it first, because I know these men are sick of hearing it. If I say it first, he won’t have to unload and possibly lose his s~~~. This topic has brought men to face the business end of a GUN by their own hands, and I would rather not see men pushed to that extreme.

There was a woman who made a video (on the link I gave you) who said “I see these kids in pain as a result of men not playing an active role in their kids lives”. This is one of the most devastating things she can say about men when we all know – by LAW – he can’t be a father to his kids even when he WANTS to be. When this was pointed out to her and she received plenty of backlash, she pulled the video down IMMEDIATELY when she could no longer get away with blaming fatherlessness on Men.

On a personal note (so you know where it came from)….

It didn’t work out with one ex girlfriend of mine. She ended up marrying elsewhere and having a child. Although I often thank my personal god I never married her…… a few years later, she told me in an email “you should have a kid”. I fell back in my chair and couldn’t even imagine what would bring her to say something so thoughtless.

You don’t tell a man that. A woman saying that to a man (especially THE MAN SHE DID NOT MARRY), is like giving him a paper cut and pouring lemon juice on it. Even if I agreed and WANTED a kid, a man can’t just decide that he “should” and just go out and make one that he can call his own. Having to disprove a statement like “you don’t have kids because you hate them” is beyond infuriating, and totally false, so it was necessary to put my fist down on that one.

That’s like saying “there’s a mouse on mars” and asking someone to prove it’s not true.

I hope you understand now “the problem with MGTOW” is not actually a problem with MGTOW at all.

No matter what, you should know we’re Komrades.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Again, I apologize, and if there is any way to remove this thread from the forum – please do it.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Lucas BuckParticipant 51]

I appreciate your apology and I know you realise you were mistaken.

I think the thread should be left, because no doubt other visitors will have the same misconceptions you did, and when they read this thread it will help to educate them about the reality.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

There is no need for an apology. That’s what I was trying to tell you! We’re all comrades here. No hard feelings at all.

Там нет необходимости для извинения. Вот то, что я пытался сказать вам ! Мы все товарищи здесь. Без обид вообще.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[нσтησσвParticipant 830]

I’ve been here for a while, and i have never seen any MGTOW state that they hated kids. We may refer to women’s behaviour as being childish, but there is a huge difference between women and children.

Children adapter and learn.

Now i’ll read the rest of what people have said so far 😛

My Goal: To Leave Society.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

@ KGB

In the US in a park in Los Angeles I was targeted many times as a pedophile because I brought my young son there. I would be surrounded by groups of older men. They would sit at my table and stare at me. It could be very intimidating but I don’t give a s~~~. These were mainly eastern European or Russian immigrants. But it’s a common story. Glad you haven’t experienced it.

http://gawker.com/5825688/suspicious-man-photographing-kids-just-guy-taking-pics-of-grandson

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I could try to explain my thinking how I got that impression if anyone wanted to listen.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[TheBardParticipant 974]

The irony is that in this over populated world adoption should be easier and cheaper but it is not. Women are mostly in charge of adoption agency’s and they are still charging out the ass for all the fee’s. Women working in the adoption field have told me they would never approve of me adopting a daughter because I am a single guy. So there could be girl who ends up growing up in an orphanage just because some women in charge didn’t let me adopt her.

[JjParticipant 178]

<span style=”line-height: 24px;”>Most of the “aware” I have communicated with do not hate children or woman. I for one have learned first hand that a woman or a child in connection with a woman can f~~~ing destroy you… not figuratively, literally. Many men have stated they do not want to have children, that does not mean that they “hate” kids or because they no longer date or care about being shamed for rightfully-logically criticizing women for their decrepitude in society. Does you statement make you feel more morally superior? I’ve dealt with quite a few MRA’s like you and here is what it comes down to…. f~~~ ur perspective… f~~~ my perspective… make opinions based of facts and logic, stop making stuff up to make yourself feel exclusive.      P.s I don’t hate women, I just don’t respect “them” for obvious reasons, and I’ll never be involved in being a force-a-father biological science experiment every, ever, again. No women or kids for me (If it’s convenient I’ll f~~~ a woman and partake of her affection, but truth be told.. no woman can follow the path I tread, non have ever been able to do so. Men walk their path alone in this culture regardless if they fell into being a slave-husband-Bfriend-just a friend-sugarDaddy-villan-dragon-enemy.</span>

[J.D SilvernailParticipant 383]

I don’t hate women like some of the people on this site do, but I have a very bitter resentment towards them. By the way what you said about having kids is true. We need a new generation of MGTOWs. Unlike most of the people on this site I recognize that we still need women in order to have kids and I’m glad that you agree with me on that issue. So welcome to the forums bro.

I'm married to the game,but she broke her vows.

[JjParticipant 178]

J.D Silvernail wrote:

I don’t hate women like some of the people on this site do

I have not encountered a single post where a man say that he hates women and explains this hatred of women; if you have seen a post as such to prove your statement them please cut and paste the statement and users name so we can have a discussion with this individual to see if they actually hate women or is they were emoting, making a joke, or if you took their post the wrong way and labeled it as hatred of women. I personally have never met a “Mysgonist” or have ever had a conversation with a man who claims that he is MGTOW and hates women. Please prove me wrong or like I said cut and paste his comments and user name so that he may be addressed as to why he “hates women. Thank you~

[JjParticipant 178]

It’s  very cool that you have created your our space and are making the best of a situation that could is in some ways and potentially could be a bad/worse situation, and much lucky and honor to your sexual conquests (especially the needed feminist; stick it to her real good, she needs man guidance lol).

Treat em rough, tell them nothing, and show them the door!

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