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Lately this is a topic that has been on my mind. I’ve been thinking about the various kinds of MGTOW (age groups, demographics, etc.) from all around the world. I’ve been thinking about what makes them tick. Why are they MGTOW? What caused them to go that way? Are they simply just temporarily bitter and find this place as a good outlet to momentarily vent? When the temporary anger subsides, will they revert back to chasing Women? Will the loneliness of being MGTOW (especially for older members) eventually bother them so much that they begin dating again? Will the desire for kids cause some men to revert back to their old ways?
All of us here know how indecisive Women can be. They can say 1 thing on a Monday, then change their mind on Tuesday, only to change it to something completely different on Wednesday, then go with their original plan on a Thursday, etc. But speaking from personal experience, I have met plenty of Men this way too. Men who were once die hard rebels who swore they would stick to their guns on a particular subject. But as life goes on and things change (even things as slight as the direction of the wind), I’ve seen these men go back on their sworn word in the blink of an eye.
There are some brilliant and fascinating people right here on these forums. But I’ve always wondered if some of the people here are just momentarily venting. Or if some of the people here use the concept of MGTOW simply as a guise due to the fact they are not very desirable to the opposite sex to begin with. Take this guy for example: http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/southpark/images/0/05/Griefer.png/revision/latest?cb=20120211222858
Is that the average MGTOW? If so, one has to ask if he is MGTOW for the right reasons. What are his reasons? And would he go back on his word somewhere down the line when he is bored, lonely, or given an opportunity with an attractive young lady. Most outsiders view MGTOW as that guy, and I really would like to think that’s not true. I HOPE its not true. These type of guys strike me as the type to claim MGTOW and act as a rebel, but behind closed doors when nobody is watching, they would sell-out in a heartbeat.
And for the opposite, the young, handsome, and successful men who are full of options; what about them? Will they eventually revert back somewhere down the line? Will they get tired of being associated with the guy in the picture? Or even worse, fear becoming that guy to the point where they “leave” MGTOW behind and revert back? Maybe they are MGTOW for right now, but what about at age 34,35,36,37….Will their thought process begin to change when they see themselves getting lonely, fatter, grayer, and less desirable.
Or are the problems with Women SO strong, that nothing will ever be able to make you revert? Take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself if you really mean that. I can’t say who, when, or which members, but I am pretty damn sure that some of the current active men on this website won’t be here in a year from now.
Anonymous18Great post! I often wonder the exact same questions you posed above.
Only time will tell.
But as long as a man is here from a genuine belief stemming from first or second hand experience with women, then he is at least able to un-hypnotize himself from the intricacies of his own biology with overlapping societal romanticized version of female nature. He can learn something from other men who share their experience.
I wouldn’t say a man seeking love and meaningful relationship is somehow betraying the mgtow philosophy. He is merely acting on his primal instincts and giving a woman benefit of the doubt. What is certain, however, is the man will be able to determine the type of woman he is with lot more objectively than if he had never dissociated himself with the blue pill mindset and seen things dispassionately.
Actually I would consider it a healthy choice for men to go back to the dating world and gain affirmations to what they had learned from these forums. If mgtow were to be a movement, women are it’s greatest allies, it’s most staunch proponents. They do all the dirty work for mgtow to take hold in society.
Since it is not a movement a man is free to come and go, be a mgtow whether as a monk or as a player or anything in between.
It’s only natural for a man to put a red pill condom over his head when he is f~~~ing around to prevent a sick bitch from ruining his piece of mind.
The evidence lies in the vagina. The certainty one wants about mgtow resolve would necessitate the man having relationships with women. I prefer learning from others. I made my fair share of mistakes.
As I said the real allies for a mature, logical, fact based mindset is women themselves.
To not be a red pill is the real misogyny – to one self.
Depends where you are going with this, since there have been men going their own way through out time, whether they had every advantage to take a wife, or not. The reason to this is simple, your time on earth is finite, and there is endless amounts of stuff to do, and yet to be done.
The real question here, do you have an ambition/goal in life? If not, find one, most people fear to look inwards, to discover their lost dreams, the only time a dream becomes impossible, is the moment you give up on it.
Where do you want to be in 10 years time? Do you want to pursue whatever it is now, or do you want to wait another 10 years, to ask yourself same question again?
Those who ain’t doing anything, are those who will revert.
I like the 15% mark, can’t explain it. I suspect about that percentage of all age groups being mgtow will reverse to the delusion for the various reasons already stated.
The misconceptions about MGTOW Men are as varied as the reasons have been for turning the Father Figure and Masculinity into a zombie apocalypse and as uninformed as a bushman in New York.
Just like the misconceptions about who exactly is gettin’ it on and who’s not, the stereotype of the virgin fat slob living behind his screen is pervasive amongst feminine and feminist thought. They simply cannot conceive that it’s simply not true and if they can, they simply use it as an insult. They’re so good at that.
For those who eventually revert though, I think it will eventually be temporary as well. Once you’ve had a taste of the Red Pill and lived it then moved on past the rage, the sour taste it leaves is never quite washed away, unless that 15% read the site and understood nothing.
I see three types of mgtows so far. Those who’ve lived through marriage and divorce and haven’t killed themselves or others; those who’ve never been married and profess never to and those who are married/shaking and promise themselves to go full mgtow. The last two categories would be more inclined to sign up for the plantation.
As for me, I can positively say: Lesson well learned and assimilated.Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!Great question!
I’m one of the young, future successful MGTOWs you mentioned. I’m athletic, decent height, and I’m outgoing/sociable.
My main reasons for MGTOW:
1) I don’t like compromising on my future/life plans. I’ve never liked it, really. and I have a long personal history of questioning everything, not “keeping up with the Joneses,” and thinking for myself instead of going along with what friends want just to “fit in.” I’m proud of my ability to be an advocate for myself.My basic principle is: this is MY life. And ultimately, what I do will impact me and my happiness. so I AM THE ONLY PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR MY HAPPINESS.
If I want to go on a trip overseas, I will go. If I want to quit a job and join another one, I will go. I don’t want to have to discuss and clear it by someone else first.
So being a MGHOW grants me that personal liberty/freedom and that is why I like it.
2) Horrible Female Behavior- between the false rape claims, the consumerism to keep up with the Joneses, the vanity that I’m seeing gin today’s girls- taking selfies every couple of minutes, the inability to keep a conversation, etc. it’s just not worth it for me.
3) Auxiliary reasons- Divorce rape, Alimony, Courts biased against men, etc.
So, in summary, my MGTOW character derives from 3 major reasons.
The first (and most important) is my desire for independence and self-advocacy, which is something I have valued for a long time. This is an inherent desire, and when my friends want to go do something that I’m not interested in, I just tell them no thanks and do my own thing. I’m not afraid to say no.
The second, more situational but equally important, reason to me is the horrible behavior by women, as we have observed by the various stories uploaded on here by our brothers.
And finally, the environment we live in- with the courts.
EVEN IF THE LAWS BECOME FAIR, ALIMONY IS REMOVED, AND WOMEN TREAT MEN KINDLY, I WOULD STILL REMAIN a MGTOW BECAUSE I VALUE PERSONAL LIBERTY/FREEDOM.
Anonymous1EVEN IF THE LAWS BECOME FAIR, ALIMONY IS REMOVED, AND WOMEN TREAT MEN KINDLY, I WOULD STILL REMAIN a MGTOW BECAUSE I VALUE PERSONAL LIBERTY/FREEDOM.
This.
I try to keep my mind open. But since “taking the red pill” I raised my standards considerably. I could still compromise somewhat, but not if the cost is my happiness or my freedom. Not by a long shot.
I was a little bit of an ugly ducking when I was younger. And one of the reasons was because I actually LISTENED TO WOMEN. And because of that, I saw working out and being a “player” as a waste time. After all, women want a “nice guy”, don’t they? *muffled laughter*
However, since watching and looking at Mgtow content, I started to work on myself. I do exercise regularly and try to work on my interests. And the more I distance myself from women, the more I focus on my objectives. People say that women civilize men. I say women hold men back. But I digress.I can’t say how many will turn back, but I have the impression is going to be a lot. Many “mgtows” I see are MRA’s. They don’t want to leave the plantation, they want better working conditions. They want that ego stroke and an occasional blowjob in return of giving up their dreams and having a life of their own. And then they turn to those men that are not willing to live for another person but themselves and call us “Peter Pan”, “Manchild”, “not a REAL man“, so on and so forth. You can see the increasing trend of “moderate Mgtows”, that “listen to women” and claim NAWALT or the ones that say that “women cannot be blamed for their nature”. As we should accept when a woman does the most despicable act against men. Nevermind that this would put women on the ANIMALS category, not humans, since animals are the ones that act upon instinct and not reason. Those are the Mgtows that will go back. Either when “sharia law” measures are taken, or when the “50’s” comes back to be cool again.
I, on the other hand, either have a partner to walk BY MY SIDE. Or I walk alone. Either way I will not be joining them.
Cheers.
I hope that it’s going to grow for some time yet. Slow and steady is always best but who knows. The last thing that i want to see is a bear trap followed by a steep growth and a rapid decline.
One could be drawn back maybe … if enough trinkets were offered to the slave that is afraid of the open expanse before him.
He would be doomed though.
You can’t unlearn red pill truth. You will still know a s~~~ test, red flags, deceptions, twisting and manipulation.
It would become an unbearable world that would eventually destroy any dream of love & relations~~~s.
He may dissappear from websites …. but he will still …. eventually …. go his own way again ….. or be pushed & shoved in excite.
There is no BACK ….. only alternative worlds of mgtow.
These type of guys strike me as the type to claim MGTOW and act as a rebel, but behind closed doors when nobody is watching, they would sell-out in a heartbeat.
That is the beautiful thing about MGTOW. If one chooses to “sell-out” he would only sell-out himself.
As for the would be critics who see us as “That guy”, let them. It does not affect us in any way. On the contrary it would make them ignore us and leave us alone, which is what we want anyway. The only issue I could have with this is that men would be less inclined to research and adopt the MGTOW way(s) if it were extensively denigrated.
The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!
Anonymous3Great question!
I’m one of the young, future successful MGTOWs you mentioned. I’m athletic, decent height, and I’m outgoing/sociable.
My main reasons for MGTOW:
1) I don’t like compromising on my future/life plans. I’ve never liked it, really. and I have a long personal history of questioning everything, not “keeping up with the Joneses,” and thinking for myself instead of going along with what friends want just to “fit in.” I’m proud of my ability to be an advocate for myself.My basic principle is: this is MY life. And ultimately, what I do will impact me and my happiness. so I AM THE ONLY PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR MY HAPPINESS.
If I want to go on a trip overseas, I will go. If I want to quit a job and join another one, I will go. I don’t want to have to discuss and clear it by someone else first.
So being a MGHOW grants me that personal liberty/freedom and that is why I like it.
2) Horrible Female Behavior- between the false rape claims, the consumerism to keep up with the Joneses, the vanity that I’m seeing gin today’s girls- taking selfies every couple of minutes, the inability to keep a conversation, etc. it’s just not worth it for me.
3) Auxiliary reasons- Divorce rape, Alimony, Courts biased against men, etc.
So, in summary, my MGTOW character derives from 3 major reasons.
The first (and most important) is my desire for independence and self-advocacy, which is something I have valued for a long time. This is an inherent desire, and when my friends want to go do something that I’m not interested in, I just tell them no thanks and do my own thing. I’m not afraid to say no.
The second, more situational but equally important, reason to me is the horrible behavior by women, as we have observed by the various stories uploaded on here by our brothers.
And finally, the environment we live in- with the courts.
EVEN IF THE LAWS BECOME FAIR, ALIMONY IS REMOVED, AND WOMEN TREAT MEN KINDLY, I WOULD STILL REMAIN a MGTOW BECAUSE I VALUE PERSONAL LIBERTY/FREEDOM.
You sound like me when I was younger. The only problem is that as you get older, things get lonelier. If you have an issue with being alone, that will be a problem. It’s not really an issue for me, and I have read things that indicate younger men are forming stronger social groups of their own instead of plugging into the matriarchy system of families, but you guys are still young so who knows in 10, 15, 20 years how things look.
I hate to give any credit to Fat Horney’s thinking. Women have always been extremely easy, especially if all you wanted was sex. I was always more of a traditional man when I was younger, more interested in a serious family and serious commitment. But I had the body and looks of a “Chad” as people call it these days. I had a ton of female attention, and all women ever wanted was to have sex. No relationships, those were reserved for the men they DIDN’T want to have sex with. To this day that still is mind boggling to me. There was a time when I let my beliefs go, became apostate, and willingly engaged on women’s terms.
It was awful. I do not think either men or women were designed to want these types of encounters that modern feminism has pushed onto us. Woman was created as a help meet, a companion for men. Sex is supposed to be something between loving partners and as exclusive. A trust needs to even be built up first and continuing onwards after. Obviously modern women fail at every point.
And as you point out, even if the laws change, it’s still a great sacrifice for a man to be with a woman. And frankly they’ll change the laws back again, they did it once, why wouldn’t they do it again? As long as the State is around or a threat to be around, it’s impossible for healthy male-female relations. But even if it were healthy again, for my part I’m too old to care, for your part you’re too independent and will become too old to care.
Ironically enough, most of the “red pill” theory I’ve been given through my life has been from women. I’ve been encouraged to run around pump and dumping ever since I was in my late teens. And this was a long time ago, so it’s not like it’s just this current generation of young women. Women have been like this at least for decades, for as long as I’ve been alive. They maybe reserved these ideas for a smaller selection of men, and hence why it was such a shock to see this is what women were really like, but now with the internet and everything, it’s obvious that this is what women are. How can any man commit? And if you are a man with religious conviction, you can’t even fornicate either, so what good are women at all?
Anonymous11You can’t unlearn red pill truth
So true, ILA. Whenever I see them pulling the various s~~~ tests, deceptions, twists, and manipulations. I know exactly what they are doing and the reasons they are doing it. One cannot unlearn knowledge.
If I were ever to go back, I’d be fully accountable to myself for whatever I let happen whereas prior ignorance and delusion were what guided me. Red pill woke my ass up to reality so I’ll never revert.
To answer the question, absent a specification of future events, one must assume an extrapolation of current trends that are as follows:
1 – the transition from third-wave to fourth-wave feminism, the latter characterised by blatant misandry, gender-bending, and the craziness that is at present confined to Tumblr,
2 – the continuing deterioration of the economy and increase in taxation, direct or otherwise, meaning shrinking real incomes for most men while wealth disparity increases, and
3 – more men being exposed to the concept of MGTOW.The legal and social implications of 1 would further disincentivise men from having much to do with women. Hypergamy means that women will be attracted to fewer men overall as a result of 2. I would wager that 3 would be a wash as one can be a MGTOW without knowing about MGTOW as was I, and the information that the manosphere provides them would likely fortify them against reverting to the blue-pill world. However, the proliferation of the idea of MGTOW would result in self-professed MGTOW that are not genuinely so, or do not stay that way.
Therefore, I would wager that we would see fewer MGTOW reverting than at present.
Great question. Personally, I know of only one unicorn from my past that might tempt me. At least I THINK she was a unicorn. Whether she really was or still is, well who knows. That said, I doubt I would ever put in the time to feel sure that someone I don’t know now really was a unicorn. Too many stories of 3-5 years going by before the woman changes. I have way too many things to do on my own in the next 3-5 years to waste them on a lottery ticket. Funny, you have about the same chance of winning, but winning means not losing your money. At least a lottery has millions of dollars for the winner. The prize isn’t to break even.
As an accountant, reverting doesn’t pass even the most basic cost/benefit analysis. And I still remember the pain of touching the hot stove from every other time I touched it.
Order the good wine
I can only speak for myself, but I can’t handle having people around me 24/7, it seriously freaks me out to the point where I can get outright nasty to get people to back off and leave me my space. Of course a few days with friends is nice and I have no problem handling people at work, but meeting people at work and then get home to a household of even more people, every day, all year? F~~~ no! The mere thought makes want to cry and kick something.
So in all; yeah, I could probably go for some sort of distant relations~~~ if I ever find a nawalt, I’m old enough to never say never, but I know for a fact that I am not -capable- of cohabiting so that will not happen.
As for the general MGTOW populace I think it will always be there, as it’s always been, but right now it’s growing as a hype, a sort of new homestead for a protesting number of men and boys that use it as a base of protest against the gynocentric society (that’s at least my thought on the subject) and with only an external need to go his own way I think those men can flip rather fast given a few incentives, the ones that stay will probably do so because of reasons of ego and knowledge of basic gender dynamics. The really big question is how large part each group make up, on that I have absolutely no clue.
Hard to say. Those that get into relationships and find it hard to get out are the ones at risk. It will be their “significant other” that turns them back to blue pill land.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.Unlike many of my brothers here, I don’t have a bitter past, I have had many happy relationships before and each one of them taught me something that made me who I am today. I stumbled upon the first MGTOW video when I was searching for how to attract women on youtube, so there you go…
As many other things in life, only a small percentage will succeed in doing what they believe and pursue. However like @iliveagain said, you can’t unlearn red pill truth, even if some of us one day decide to go back to the planetary, they will still be a much better man than all the SJW, WK and manginas combined.
The real question here, do you have an ambition/goal in life?
I strongly agree with @burgundy on this one. Being a MGTOW doesn’t necessarily mean you have to be a man without ambitions, find your passion, find your new purpose in life, get yourself busy and put yourself in the center. I know from day one that there’s a heavy price for me to pay in order to maintain my standard of living, my MGTOW belief and my freedom. That’s why I work my ass off to achieve the success that I need. Once you have something going for you, women will become much less important.
Also, being a MGTOW doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to cut women 100% out of your life, although I respect people who do that, I know in order for me to function normally in the long term, I will have to get my rat moisturized from time to time without getting myself into any forms of relationships. MGTOW to me is a very individual thing, there’s no single pattern for all to follow, but most importantly be the man you want to be and make yourself strong, strong enough to slap the teeth out of any feminists or manginas there dare stand in your way.
It’s also important for us as a community to help our fellow brothers in need. Don’t judge them, lend a hand, help them get over the rough spots and frustrations in life.
One last thing I want to say is that I am a man who doesn’t like leaving any second choice behind for me to fall back on. In order to force myself to be a true MGTOW, I have told all my friends, my family members, that I will never get married, never get a girlfriend and ask them to slap me and spit on me like a bitch if I fail to live up to what I promised them, so that pretty much got the problem sorted. 🙂
Anonymous5You can’t unlearn red pill truth. You will still know a s~~~ test, red flags, deceptions, twisting and manipulation.
I think it’s possible, in fact probable that guys can be tempted back into relationships, but only by a woman playing a stellar NAWALT game.
However, once you’re Red Pill aware of female nature you’ll see 90% of their manipulation and narcissism. Don’t kid yourself you’ll see 100%,.
Most here had already decided they weren’t getting into legal relationships with women before they heard of MGTOW, for obvious reasons.It’s highly unlikely that someone who’s been made aware of female nature and the repercussions of giving a woman legal ownership of his life would ever be NAWALT’d long enough to sign a marriage contract,t or live long enough with them to give them common law rights. It’s implausible because female nature will start shining through within weeks, possibly days.
It’s also unlikely a MGTOW man would allow her to get pregnant.You’ll never be able to take off the red colored glasses permanently but it’s still nice to Blue Pill daydream every once in a while.
Un learning truth is self betrayal. .very few women out there with what it takes to betray one’s self. .I guess it would vary case by case. .how much is that pussy worth to you?
barbar is in a relationship although he doesn’t live with her. You can still be a MGTOW with a girlfriend, however you can’t be married. Living with a girlfriend is a big no no, unless she’s making s~~~ loads of money compared to you, even then you should have exit plan. Personally I think it’s too much work and hassle.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
I know I will might get a lot of s~~~ for this, but I don’t think there is necessarily any shame in someone dropping the mgtow lifestyle. If a man finds it isn’t working for him, he shouldn’t cling onto it. I know a guy that considers himself a mgtow but talks like he is lonely (a classmate). I wouldnt be surprised or upset with him if he decides to go the usual way. I go my own way because I’m a loner and I have other things I prefer to do. I’ve never kissed a girl or asked one out despite being tall and at least moderately handsome. I’ve just known single life suits me. Hell, I don’t even like spending more than a few hours at a time with my best friend once every couple of weeks. Imagine how quickly a gf would bother me. Also, since no one else has brought it up, I don’t think anyone discontinuing their visits to this site means they have stopped going their own way. Honestly, I see my visits to this site becoming more and more infrequent as time goes on. I just have a lot of things I like to do, and eventually I will need to cut my time here down to focus on those other things. I have a feeling a lot of other guys have it the same way.
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