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Something never mentioned by her doctor, or glossed over as a nothing fact in a list of possible issues.
The pill reduces her testosterone.
This means it reduces her sex drive.
This means her loss of desire for sex is because the pill is dropping her normal T levels, which are responsible for men and womens sex drive, to lower levels. Women naturally already have very low T levels compared to men. Men have 20 to 50 times more T than women, on average. Dropping her T levels kils sex in marriage.
It kills marriage because no man gets married to stop having sex, the one unique thing suffering a woman around, can provide him that a guy friend cannot.
Where are any serious warnings by doctors that this could happen? Its statistically significant.
If ou were having sex a lot before, and now shes on the pill and ts going down or not happening anymore, good chance this is why.
The pill,also changes the way her nose works and how she smells your pheromones. She may not like your pheromone smell on the pill, when she did before and not on the pill.
The fact this stuff is not mentioned as a very seruous and real potential negative shows no concern from the meical industry at the damage low T in women due to the pill has on keeping marriages functioning well.
Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.
Anonymous3My wife never used the pill, and I find amazing that she still suffered the same side effects!
Too much emphasis on:
The pill and related drop in a woman’s testosterone levels.
The foundations for the destruction of marriage: [Marriage – as a formerly, somewhat efficient and systematic way of pair bonding under the veil of monogamy while enabling the best possible environment and structure for raising offspring] are as follows:
01: The alleged empowering of women – By encouraging them to not only enter the workforce but promoting their attendance of college and subsequent attaining of degrees and working in carreers (careers, not just ‘jobs’) that were formerly held by men. More importantly, men that needed those upper level careers to financially support a family that included a woman that did not work.
02: Technology allowing the prolific use of social media and dating sites as a means of new wallet (beta) and new c~~~ (alpha) when a woman decides she is bored or not satisfied in her current situation. Essentially, enabling a woman to have a lack of any real investment in her current situation and providing a way out on a whim when she desires.
03: The power of the state (divorce and family court laws) interfering to the point where a woman has no inherent need anymore for a man as a provider and she has the option of not only rolling out, when she chooses but her extraction from a marriage will be fully sanctioned and encouraged by the state.
04: Lack of any type of civil or criminal laws and punishment / consequences for infidelity. Basically, letting female nature run free and unrestricted which by default leads to their behavior over time, resulting in increasing rates of infidelity. (Note: the same state that issues marriage licenses, remains passive and non-responsive when it comes to any attempt at enforcing monogamy after the marriage license is issued. That right there is huge and any man considering marriage should think about it)
I don’t disagree about other points. I am talking about how this significant one has been dismissed as being important or even factoring in at all. It is incredibly important because a significant number of women have large drops in their testosterone on the pill and it greatly affects their attraction towards their husband. It can really mess up something that had been working sexually before.
And given awalt you know they are going to blame the husband one way or another so that’s further going to deteriorate the marriage, the guy isn’t getting any and the woman who is clueless, and her doctor probably kept her clueless, she never wants to be responsible for anything negative then tells him its his fault hes not getting any sex anymore. something ‘changed’. yeah the godam pill changed it.
Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.
I have an issue with the foundational premise that:
Women (increased usage) using the pill have significant decreases in testosterone and by default – lower sex drive.
Since women with lower sex drive (due to the pill) and other effects such as not being responsive to male pheromones DOES NOT explain why despite the fact that a large percentage of women take the pill that:
Any woman that is attractive enough to cheat and secure additional sexual partners outside of her marriage or primary relationship, does in fact engage in infidelity.
Which runs contrary to the claims that the pill:
Lowers female sex drive and results in women not being attracted to male pheromones.
Even with significant use of the pill, massive infidelity still exists which cannot be logically explained if one assumes the primary claims of the effects of pill usage on a woman’s sex drive to be true.
I have an issue with the foundational premise that:
Women (increased usage) using the pill have significant decreases in testosterone and by default – lower sex drive.
Since women with lower sex drive (due to the pill) and other effects such as not being responsive to male pheromones DOES NOT explain why despite the fact that a large percentage of women take the pill that:
Any woman that is attractive enough to cheat and secure additional sexual partners outside of her marriage or primary relationship, does in fact engage in infidelity.
Which runs contrary to the claims that the pill:
Lowers female sex drive and results in women not being attracted to male pheromones.
Even with significant use of the pill, massive infidelity still exists which cannot be logically explained if one assumes the primary claims of the effects of pill usage on a woman’s sex drive to be true.I didnt say the pill changes awalt.
I also didn’t say we can put the entire blame for marriage failure on the pill. I don’t. It’s one factor, and I am saying it’s a factor that is rarely if ever comsidered.
Also I do not say that it causes all of them to stop having sex with husbank. It is known that it can affect up to 30-40% of women enough to take away their libido because of lower T values.
Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.
Quote ‘It is known that it can affect up to 30-40% of women enough to take away their libido because of lower T values.’
And I was just pointing out, that a loss of libido / sex drive if true would naturally result in the desire to not have sex and/or have less sex.
Which is contrary to the surge in female infidelity.
A rise in female infidelity that has run almost parallel to use of the pill.
The same pill that allegedly results in lowering the sex drive of women.
So the only explanation could be;
Despite the pill resulting in women having lower sex drives – There must be alternate reasons why women have sex, at least outside of a marriage or primary relationship. And those factors could be:
01: Need for attention from alternate male sources (and using sex to secure it)
02: Orchestrated power play outside of a primary relationship with the goal being achieving an emotional or psychological high from cuckolding a husband or primary partner
03: Attempt to maintain self percieved value and desirability amongst alternate male sources, essentially validating a woman’s self worth via sex with partners outside of a primary relationship
04: The prior stated effects of using the pill leave a woman wondering if her lack of sex drive and attraction to male pheromones is limited to her husband or primary male partner. Resulting in her seeking to reclaim a lost sex drive and desire for men outside of her primary relationship.
Quote ‘It is known that it can affect up to 30-40% of women enough to take away their libido because of lower T values.’
And I was just pointing out, that a loss of libido / sex drive if true would naturally result in the desire to not have sex and/or have less sex.
Which is contrary to the surge in female infidelity.
A rise in female infidelity that has run almost parallel to use of the pill.
The same pill that allegedly results in lowering the sex drive of women.
So the only explanation could be;
Despite the pill resulting in women having lower sex drives – There must be alternate reasons why women have sex, at least outside of a marriage or primary relationship. And those factors could be:
01: Need for attention from alternate male sources (and using sex to secure it)
02: Orchestrated power play outside of a primary relationship with the goal being achieving an emotional or psychological high from cuckolding a husband or primary partner
03: Attempt to maintain self percieved value and desirability amongst alternate male sources, essentially validating a woman’s self worth via sex with partners outside of a primary relationship
04: The prior stated effects of using the pill leave a woman wondering if her lack of sex drive and attraction to male pheromones is limited to her husband or primary male partner. Resulting in her seeking to reclaim a lost sex drive and desire for men outside of her primary relationship.Heres where it comes into play.
Lower T doesn’t help sex drive at all. at tge same time it can change how she smells her husvands pheromones and what used to be good and attractive, now she smells him differently, her nose works differently. That can also mean other guys may smell different (better/sexier) to her as well, and whats left of her waning libido + the hypergamous awalt nature may be enough to be exciting enough to fuel infidelity. They have the studies with women that show their noses and how they react to pheromones they were attracted to before, are not attracted to on the pill. The complement tovthis is that pheromones they were not attracted to before, could become ones they would be attracted to, on the pill, lower libido or not.
Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.
SecretAgent,
Regarding male pheromones and smell as related to use of the pill.
That might make sense when I look back on some insane, wacked out stuff that occurred during my blue pill era with pumpkins that were on the pill.
One of them use to crave smelling my armpits.
Another one liked blowing me when I got back from the gym.
Then there was the flight attendant that would put a pair of my boxers in her luggage before she flew and said she wanted to be able to still smell me.
One even routinely smelled my b~~~~ while blowing me. To this day, I still have not been able to wrap my head around that.
The pill is bad for marriages for several reasons;
1. It lowers sex drive and generally messes with hormones and pheromones -her perception of yours and those she gives off to you. This makes the relationship much less fulfilling for the man. Having a woman who at least 4 days a month really is on fire down below is a huge boost to a man’s happiness in a relationship. I expect that the fulfillment of female desire also helps in a bonding process.2. It makes sex -a serious matter in nature- into a game. This suits pumpkin just fine. Sex gets pumpkin stuff. According to nature the reason why men give her stuff for sex is because reproductive rights are valuable. Pumpkin can now get all that stuff for free and so she no longer has to make complex decisions about mate suitability. She can have Beta and Chad and Tyrone too with all the benefits and none of the consequences. Desire in the female is complex and while the desire for the simple reproductive act exists, desire is a multi layered thing for her with many components and usually before she can get to the simple desire to be taken she has to get through the filter of being made to feel special. I believe that women genuinely experience more desire when with a man of higher social status than them or when they have been given a gift. This has certainly been my experience. Pumpkin is not as complex as her magazines like to suggest. She is quite simple -status and money make her wet. Sure she can fake desire to get these things but usually these things form otherwise very unattractive men but actually these things do make her desirous of themselves and without any actual raw animal desire of the testosterone sort. Sex can be very fulfilling for women when they are getting a man they desire socially and economically -one who raises their status even if pumpkin does not at the time have a raw urge to be taken. (Once pumpkin’s status has been raised she will usually tire of Beta fast but while he has something to give he is actually desirable. Chad is cool so he retains his ability to lift her status. The pill suits all this just fine but this is bad for marriage where pumpkin is supposed to bond to a man.
3. The pill stops reproduction which is actually the primary purpose of forming a union with a female. Children also align spouses interests in some ways and make them to an extent codependent. Delaying reproduction or eliminating it I a union between a man and a woman allows other priorities in the union to become dominant. In the end the old wisdom was not that you married for company and got children as a blessing. It was the other way around. You marry to gain reproductive rights. Company is a bonus if it works out that way. Women are not natural best friends for men. House hold chores are so easy today that a man can do them himself and still have a good work and social life, so a helpmate is not a thing you marry for these days. Women’s primary value to men is sexual and the reason for this in nature is because of reproduction. Later when attraction fades you value the mother of your children.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
On a sidenote: the word b-a-l-l-s as typed in my above post was censored.
I can officially state at this point, based on that alone:
There is no way that Keymaster could still be running this site.
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On a sidenote: the word b-a-l-l-s as typed in my above post was censored.
I can officially state at this point, based on that alone:
There is no way that Keymaster could still be running this site.
B~~~~
B•a•l•l•s
B⚽lls
B🏐lls
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B🐼llsWell it’s pretty clear he hasn’t been around in any managing capacity for almost half a year. Some have said he’s got other major projects taking his time up, but this place has been on autopilot for at least 4 months.
Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.
Anal. . .
The original pill. No prescription required.
Well, I’m late to the party here but as far as the pill lowering a woman’s T level, I look at it this way. If I get all jacked up on heroin am I not still responsible for my actions? Even if the pill does have a particular T level effect on women it doesn’t mitigate the fundamental truth that they knowingly choose their actions and do so specifically because there is no consequence to them at all.
Anonymous3Even if the pill does have a particular T level effect on women it doesn’t mitigate the fundamental truth that they knowingly choose their actions and do so specifically because there is no consequence to them at all.
What actions?
Most women (as I ear, I have just a few data samples) just lie there doing nothing. I would say most women suck at it, but some dont even suck…
They are essentially selfish (amongst other fishy things…), and if they dont feel like it, if there is nothing in it for them, they dont care about a man.
In fact, the red pill applies: women dont care about men, unless they want something.
Regarding testosterone, turn it around – what if a woman wants to go out, but the man “doesnt feel like it”? Most men would indulge them simply because THEY WANT THEIR PARTNER TO BE HAPPY.
Let this sink in, women cannot be bothered about the happiness of their partner. Worst even, they dont even care if they make them miserable!
Now, the pill… affects the way they feel… and that is the most important thing in the world!
Anonymous3Most men would indulge them simply because THEY WANT THEIR PARTNER TO BE HAPPY.
… it may take time and LOTS of frustration, but men eventually realize is that WOMEN ARE NEVER HAPPY!
Even if the pill does have a particular T level effect on women it doesn’t mitigate the fundamental truth that they knowingly choose their actions and do so specifically because there is no consequence to them at all.
What actions?
Most women (as I ear, I have just a few data samples) just lie there doing nothing. I would say most women suck at it, but some dont even suck…
They are essentially selfish (amongst other fishy things…), and if they dont feel like it, if there is nothing in it for them, they dont care about a man.
In fact, the red pill applies: women dont care about men, unless they want something.
Regarding testosterone, turn it around – what if a woman wants to go out, but the man “doesnt feel like it”? Most men would indulge them simply because THEY WANT THEIR PARTNER TO BE HAPPY.
Let this sink in, women cannot be bothered about the happiness of their partner. Worst even, they dont even care if they make them miserable!
Now, the pill… affects the way they feel… and that is the most important thing in the world!If a woman chooses to not have sex with her husbank or chooses to go find another co(k to play with,,,,that’s her choice. Although T levels may influence her choice in some way it doesn’t change the fact that she made a choice. And that choice was most notably governed by the fact that in todays day and age there is no consequence for anything a woman does.
Even if the pill does have a particular T level effect on women it doesn’t mitigate the fundamental truth that they knowingly choose their actions and do so specifically because there is no consequence to them at all.
What actions?
Most women (as I ear, I have just a few data samples) just lie there doing nothing. I would say most women suck at it, but some dont even suck…
They are essentially selfish (amongst other fishy things…), and if they dont feel like it, if there is nothing in it for them, they dont care about a man.
In fact, the red pill applies: women dont care about men, unless they want something.
Regarding testosterone, turn it around – what if a woman wants to go out, but the man “doesnt feel like it”? Most men would indulge them simply because THEY WANT THEIR PARTNER TO BE HAPPY.
Let this sink in, women cannot be bothered about the happiness of their partner. Worst even, they dont even care if they make them miserable!
Now, the pill… affects the way they feel… and that is the most important thing in the world!Yeah dead wife/dead woman sex isn’t sexy.
Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.
Most men would indulge them simply because THEY WANT THEIR PARTNER TO BE HAPPY.
… it may take time and LOTS of frustration, but men eventually realize is that WOMEN ARE NEVER HAPPY!
The word for this is “implacable”. Never satisfied.
Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.
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