How can we end neocon imperialism?

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  • #301817
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    Uintatherium
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    I’ve noticed that most middle class and lower class people in America hate war. At best, they view it as a “necessary evil”. Most people in America who truly live war are billionaire chickenhawks who profit from the wars.

    We need a temporary alliance between all the people in America who oppose neocon imperialism. We’ve talked about this for decades and it is still not getting done.

    Remember: War leads to radicalization, which leads to extremism, refugees and terrorism.

    Imagine two men. Only one is wearing a a beekeeper’s suit. The man with the suit throws rocks at a hornet’s nest and only the other man gets stung. The man with the beekeeper’s suit is the billionaire class. The other man is everyone else.

    What do we do?

    MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

    #301856
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    Hitman
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    pull all U.S troops out of everywhere.
    employ them in rebuilding infrastucture.
    re-build factory’s .
    hire from within.
    give china nothing .
    establish borders that actually are borders.
    self sustain as a nation should.
    stop outsourcing jobs.
    employ from within.
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    correct my spelling,
    copy, paste , send ,
    make it U.S. policy.
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    speak softly and carry a BIG stick .

    #301870
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    Anonymous
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    Vote Trump: the only candidate who isn’t agitating for war against Russia and/or China.

    The other method tends to us lots of (((parentheses))) in describing it. Not sure this site really wants to go there.

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    Uintatherium
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    Vote Trump: the only candidate who isn’t agitating for war against Russia and/or China.

    The other method tends to us lots of (((parentheses))) in describing it. Not sure this site really wants to go there.

    You aren’t seriously blaming the Jews are you?
    We won’t gain anything from throwing Norman Finkelstein under the bus.

    MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

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    Anonymous
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    Vote Trump: the only candidate who isn’t agitating for war against Russia and/or China.

    The other method tends to us lots of (((parentheses))) in describing it. Not sure this site really wants to go there.

    You aren’t seriously blaming the Jews are you?
    We won’t gain anything from throwing Norman Finkelstein under the bus.

    If you think NF is typical… perhaps you need to read http://www.jewishjournal.com/opinion/article/jews_are_not_white_people_or_why_jews_support_the_left_a_response_to_dennis

    TL;DR: why Jews will always be self-appointed enemies to the Alt-Right, to conservatives, and the interests of America and the European nations (Thanks, Vox!)

    #301909
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    Joey Alfio
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    By stop being religious bigots? But all in all the industrial military complex is responsible for a lot of tech and hardware that are put to use overseas and money being allocated to unproven and dubious programs like the F-35 (over a trillion and counting). And where did this notion come from that American military prowess is in decline or it needs to be better? The defense budget is larger than every country combined, an invasion of the US is near impossible and there’s enough gun ownership to ward of any attacks.

    Δεν υπάρχει τίποτε αδύνατο γι’ αυτόν που θα προσπαθήσει. - Μέγας Αλέξανδρος

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    Atton
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    What do we do?

    Analise the facts of any potential conflict with the utmost care as society. Demand the same from goverment and media.

    A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

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    Anonymous
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    If you think NF is typical…

    Of course Finkelstein is not typical, he is telling the truth while all those around him are shilling for the same cause, eternal killing and land theft.

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    Ok I think I got what Spurgeonist is trying to say here. Jews do not consider themselves white, even the clearly white ones, which is many of them. They align themselves with minorities, always seeking sympathy to the extent that the Jewish Holocaust has to be brought up all the time as if it justifies any of Israel’s actions on any level…

    I get all that, I am no white nationalist though. Just a guy calling out B.S. wherever I see it.

    #303120
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    Uintatherium
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    Perhaps we could also mention the connection between neoconservatism and Soviet communism.

    Noam Chomsky has compared neoconservatism to Leninism more than once. It’s easy to see why. Many of the earliest neocons were former Trotskyists. In fact, the neocons were supported by the openly Trotskyist Christopher Hitchens up until his death in 2011.

    If you tell this to neocons then they will call you anti-Semitic. That means you should say it a lot.

    MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

    #303334
    FrankOne
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    It is very interesting to look at who supported King George the Bush’s Iraq War in 2003. http://www.gallup.com/poll/7699/blacks-postgraduates-among-groups-most-likely-oppose-iraq-invasion.aspx

    Highlights: 61% of 18-29 year old SUPPORTED the war vs 52% of the general population. Rather odd, given they — the Youth — and their young friends would be doing the dieing. Support decreased with age, going down to 44% favoring in the over 65 age bracket. Conclusion: Young people, IN GENERAL, are easily brainwashed by the Ministry of Truth.

    They weren’t so easy to brainwash in the Vietnam ear, though, were they? Quite a generational turning!

    An equal percentage of the under $30K income bracket and $30K-$75K family income bracket supported the war: 55%. While $30K – $75K isn’t ‘rich’, there was equal support in what I would consider ‘poor’ (under $30K) and ‘middle class’. So I would disagree with your basic thesis that poor people oppose stupid wars; a majority of poor and middle class people supported this stupid war.

    The number AGAINST the war went from 38% in the under $30K group to 40% against in the $30K – $75K group. That doesn’t surprise me. There is a trend with higher income and especially higher education, to be anti-War and further Left. One of the few redeeming features of the Left is its animosity towards pointless wars.

    The older citizens have seen the horror of war, and thus, were not as susceptible to the Shrub’s brainwashing.

    I object to the term ‘imperialism’ even though this is the accepted term. Imperialism, to me, means conquering territories who then pay tribute. It’s a lucrative business. The UK made a lot of money off India — until they had to bail it out — the East India Company — the original ‘too big to fail’ — and what happens when you give a corporation a Private Army.

    And of course, the Romans taxed conquered lands too. The American imperialism, in contrast, only imperils the nation; we gained no revenue from Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, or Korea. We instead, lost lives and treasure.

    The idea of treating Jews as monolithic, is absurd. Timothy McVeigh bombed the Murrah [federal] building killing many children in a nursery. He’s white. Thus all whites are mad bombers. Thus all whites are terrorists. Or, Huey Newton (black Panther leader) was a terrorist, so all blacks are terrorists. Do you see the fallacy in this logic?

    Get away from identity politics. DON’T answer questions such as ‘what is my race’, or check ‘Other’ and write in ‘Human’. These questions are meant to pose various identity groups against each other. They should not even be asked on our census, whose LEGITIMATE purpose is to apportion representatives, not ask intrusive questions about our lives.

    I don’t get my identity from my skin color, but from my experience and the culture around me.

    Many persecuted minorities identify with other minorities that have faced persecution or genocide.

    Nationalism is more often than not, ugly. The soldiers in the 1914 Christmas armistice should have turned around, shot their own officers and politicians, and made peace with each other rather than fight for the ‘Glory’ of their respective countries. I understand fighting for freedom against others trying to conquer you, but were we fighting for freedom in Iraq? Or protecting our borders?

    If you want to learn more about the history of the whole ‘International Jew’ bulls~~~, read about how Henry Ford’s pamphlets came to be.

    #303443
    Uintatherium
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    Overall, the best way to troll neocons is to just call them neocons. Most of them hate the label, so you should use it a lot.

    Supporting American Christian values … by promoting policies that create more Muslim refugees? Are you sure you aren’t just trying to make money at my expense?

    Real Americans support Israel? Why? What the f~~~ has Israel ever done for us? Their contributions to big oil don’t count.

    Islam has always been at war with the West? What a f~~~ing joke! Where were you when Ronald F~~~ing Reagan sided with Afghanistan during the Soviet-Afghanistan war? Where were you when he sold weapons to Iran? Where were you when the CIA trained Osama Bin Laden? The West is only at war with Islam when big business says so. How convenient …

    MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

    #303496
    IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)
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    No one here, individually, or if you get men here to collectively do anything, can stop neocon imperialism. There is a time you realize how limited your own personal power is, and no matter how much you will try, you won’t change anything. Once this sinks in, then you try to make a life for yourself, bargain better, and try to make contacts with people you trust. This personal network is the only way you will have power over anything.

    Or, you can go about doing slacktivism thinking it would make any difference, and say I am wrong. It is your life, I don’t care what you do. For myself, I am done wasting my time with that.

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

    #305070
    NotMyProblem
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    Easy. Switch to Bitcoin. It’s a non-violent revolution. Vote with your money.

    The petrodollar is a s~~~ deal for everyone involved, therefor it needs to be forced upon the world through war.

    Forget gold. Can’t spend it unless you digitize it and put it on a debit card. That means someone has to hold your value for you. That’s how ponzis start.

    Read Sovereign Individual: Mastering the Transistion to the Information Age

    These 2 guys layed it all out very logically back in the late 90’s. Money is just an abstraction. People will naturally use the best abstraction, which is now bitcoin. Combines the best of fiat(digital) with the best of gold(scarcity).

    It will kill the welfare state, it will make warfare unneccesary. No debt needed. Government can’t seize your bank account or turn off your chip. It’s the future of money.

    The future is already here. It’s just not widely distributed yet.

    Not my property... Not my problem

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