How and where do pseudoscience & religion fit in MGTOW ideology ?

[Anonymous 29]

Your thought’s & comments would be appreciated gentlemen.
Yours truly and unashamedly, unbeliever.

Do not spare my feelings, I just want to know.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

I never understand these types of questions, to be brutally honest with you. If someone believes in a Creator and the afterlife, then any MGTOW belief would clearly be second in line. The former would trump the latter and the latter would have to be subject to the beliefs and tailored to the spiritual belief.

Maybe I am not understanding your question but that is how I read it. Spiritual beliefs wouldnt “fit into” MGTOW; MGTOW would have to “fit into” them.

Im also curious why you linked “pseudo science” with “religion”? I dont consider myself religious ( the Catholic church is religious) but relationship based with God. Religion is full of rules and regulations, an anthropomorphism, a construct created by man.

If Im interpreting you wrong, please clarify.

Resident cynic.

[griffinParticipant 189]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

If someone believes in a Creator and the afterlife, then any MGTOW belief would clearly be second in line

I don’t think this is necessarily accurate. I think you can believe in a god, and afterlife and still easily maintain a MGTOW belief system. Now I suppose if you’re talking more to born again Christians as one example, then that’s a different thing…but even then, I fail to see the big deal.
The beauty of mgtow is that it’s an individual thing, meaning you get to make the rules. Just don’t marry….but I don’t see working in your belief system, religious or atheist, as having any real underlying problem with mgtow.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

HOW AND WHERE DO PSEUDOSCIENCE & RELIGION FIT IN MGTOW IDEOLOGY ?

They don’t, really. MGTOW is not an “ideology’. It’s an individual lifestyle choice grounded in reality.

Religion is an “ideology”. Feminism is an “ideology”, and we know this because they both FAIL the moment you refuse to subscribe to it. They are “belief systems”.

MGTOW is truth based. Like fire. You don’t have to light one for it to still exist. It’s always there. Because MGTOW is not a belief system you can still be religious or believe in Santa Claus and live a MGTOW lifestyle. You can live off the grid, for yourself, by yourself and still believe in “god” – whatever that means to you – if it brings you some kind of spiritual comfort.

MGTOW is less of a “moral issue” and more of a legal issue.
You choose it for tangible, logic-based reasons. It’s perfectly sensible and easily justified.

griffin wrote:

I think you can believe in a god, and afterlife and still easily maintain a MGTOW belief system.

He’s saying the same thing – and I agree – except the part about MGTOW being a “belief system”. A belief system can be rejected and explained away. MGTOW is “the painful truth”. The Red Pill. Its addictive because it can’t just be explained away.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I did this video speaking on how men MGTOW for centuries prior to the MGTOW label, in a religious context:

This way of going MGTOW, is different than what secular men do. You also see the Japanese Herbivores have their own form of being MGTOW, which doesn’t have anything to do with the manosphere. MGTOW has its roots in the manosphere, eventhough now there is increasing distancing of MGTOW from the rest of the manosphere.

The religious way of the monk is a different animal, but I consider it MGTOW also.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[sidecarParticipant 35842]

Unless you subscribe to some pseudoscience or religion that orders men to be chumps for women (and if so, WHY?!!), I don’t see how they have anything to do with each other. It’s like asking how quantum physics fits in with 17th century German literature.

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

MGTOW has its roots in the manosphere,

How is that even possible? MGTOW predates the manosphere. By centuries. Your own evidence shows this.

[RoyDalParticipant]

@keymaster said it for me. Ditto what he said.

Edit: Well close enough to ditto to spare me lots of typing, lazy me.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

. I think you can believe in a god, and afterlife and still easily maintain a MGTOW belief system.

I wasnt saying the contrary. Im NOT saying they are diametrically opposed, inconsistent, or irreconcilable. It was his phrase “how does MGTOW fit in with religion ” which lead me to the comparison that a spiritual belief would trump MGTOW and not vice versa.

I probably read his question too literally. The both can certainly be consistent and reconcilable.

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

I also dont know why people feel the need to use phrases like “psuedo science” or a belief in “santa clause” (clearly a fictional character designed for unwise children) whenever discussing the belief in the existence of a God and creator. There couldnt be more negative and divisive connotations and characterisations when refferring to such a deeply held personal belief.

The idea of creation by design is no santa clause theory or psuedo science. I love to ask those who state this: where did space, matter, and time originate from? What about mathematics – a logical system that is DISCOVERED not created by man.

This debate/argument is never won because whatever you believe – creation by design or by big bang- requires subjective faith; which is why I typically dont engage in it. It never ceases to amaze me the derogatory language those who dont believe in creation use to others who do and are otherwise respectful.

Evolution: where are the MILLIONS of missing skeletons upon which this theory hinges? Thats more of a psuedoscience and Darwin wrote his own Santa Clause.

Resident cynic.

[Anonymous 29]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

I never understand these types of questions, to be brutally honest with you. If someone believes in a Creator and the afterlife, then any MGTOW belief would clearly be second in line. The former would trump the latter and the latter would have to be subject to the beliefs and tailored to the spiritual belief.Maybe I am not understanding your question but that is how I read it. Spiritual beliefs wouldnt “fit into” MGTOW; MGTOW would have to “fit into” them.

No you did not miss understand my question, although I made an error in it, which I will address a little later. The question is plain enough and not about religion vs MGTOW although it can be debated but that was not my point. Sometime’s questions are asked with an ulterior motive and mine was to see if I can gauge the strength and belief in what we do irrespective of other influences in our lives.
If you see this as a s~~~ test . . . . I’m guilty as charged, but it showed me from a small sample size of eight replies/comments MGTOW is strong.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Im also curious why you linked “pseudo science” with “religion”?

I view pseudoscience/s as a precursor of religions and it’s poor cousin at the same time, Mantra is the same as far as I can understand it.

Keymaster wrote:

HOW AND WHERE DO PSEUDOSCIENCE & RELIGION FIT IN MGTOW IDEOLOGY ?

They don’t, really. MGTOW is not an “ideology’. It’s an individual lifestyle choice grounded in reality.
Religion is an “ideology”. Feminism is an “ideology”, and we know this because they both FAIL the moment you refuse to subscribe to it. They are “belief systems”.
MGTOW is truth based. Like fire. You don’t have to light one for it to still exist. It’s always there. Because MGTOW is not a belief system you can still be religious or believe in Santa Claus and live a MGTOW lifestyle. You can live off the grid, for yourself, by yourself and still believe in “god” – whatever that means to you – if it brings you some kind of spiritual comfort.
MGTOW is less of a “moral issue” and more of a legal issue.You choose it for tangible, logic-based reasons. It’s perfectly sensible and easily justified

Yes I know I f~~~ed up again. Instead of writing philosophy I wrote ideology. That was the error I wrote about earlier in response to Ancientwisdoms questions.

[BigDParticipant 3024]

There is nothing in the Bible that states you have to marry. It does state what type of woman you are supposed to marry, but those types of women do not exist, thus as a Christian I cannot marry below standard.

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

If you see this as a s~~~ test . . . . I’m guilty as charged

So, your s~~~ test was to see which belief has a more pervasive and dynamic influence amongst posters: religion or MGTOW? Is this correct? I ask for clarification because you made it clear your initial post was less than transparent.

I really dont understand the lack of tranparency in a question like this. What does it matter if some men perceive the belief in a God and an ETERNAL after life, as being superior to “going their own way”?

To my lights, thats not a very interesting question. The conclusion is obvious: belief in ETERNITY outweighing some minor blip in the radar (?).

Im not looking to be a dick; I just dont comorehend the weight and purpose of an intentionally deceitful question like this.

Resident cynic.

[Anonymous 29]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Im not looking to be a dick; I just dont comorehend the weight and purpose of an intentionally deceitful question like this.

And I’m not being deceitful. We do this sort of thing in our every day lives even unconsciously. Period.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Anonymous wrote:

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Im not looking to be a dick; I just dont comorehend the weight and purpose of an intentionally deceitful question like this.

And I’m. not being deceitful. We do this sort of thing in our every day lives. Period.

Sometime’s questions are asked with an ulterior motive and mine was to see if I can gauge the strength and belief in what we do irrespective of other influences in our lives.
If you see this as a s~~~ test . . . . I’m guilty as charged,

Question asked with an ulterior motive: check; by posters admission.

This is a s~~~ test, check; by posters admission.

I dont have any more to contribute based on that.

Resident cynic.

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

Ideologies often try to subjugate men, therefore religions aren’t very well mixed with MGTOW, most MGTOWs in history have been critical against religion and hunted by religious people for it, and religion as a whole always tries to put men in a box, for whatever purpose said religion desires them to function as, thus not free, and not walking their own way.

Some of the greatest in our history have been shunned by the religious, and praised centuries later, talk about hypocrisy.

Therefore religion has absolutely no place in MGTOW, unless the religion is merely for spiritual purposes, and is only secondary after your MGTOW life-style.

[Anonymous 29]

@ Ancientwisdom. What was your ulterior motive in your last post eh ?
See my point ?

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Anonymous wrote:

@ Ancientwisdom. What was your ulterior motive in your last post eh ?See my point ?

I have ZERO ulterior motive, and I do NOT see your point. If my post was ambiguous, thats because the “quote” function distorted my post. All of those “edits” were me merely trying to fix the quote blocks.

I have zero ulterior motive. You yourself stated you did. And wont claim what it is.

I find youre question abtuse and boring. “If you believe in ETERNAL life then how does Going Your Own Way during a blip of that ETERNAL life change you?”

How uninteresting of a question is this (?). Eternal life vs a handful of sand at the beach.

I STILL fail to see your purpose in this question. Can you elaborate?

You said in your response sometimes people have an ulterior motive; implying you do.

You yourself said if your question is viewed as a “s~~~ test” then guilty as charged.

All your words, not mine.

So, why all of the conflated bull s~~~?…

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

If you see this as a s~~~ test . . . . I’m guilty as charged,

So youre a male, on a male only website, employing the very same FEMALE tactics which are despareged in the glossary of terms of this website, in attempt to “s~~~ test” the men here?

Quite the f~~~ing irony.

Thanks, but no thanks. I dont need anymore s~~~ tests. If you request an opinion or a poll, then please simply state it in a transparent matter.

“Ulterior motives” and “s~~~ tests”: that is not why I come here.

Next time you want to conduct a “s~~~ test” devious plotted “poll” , please use facebook, tumbler, or some other S~~~ TEST safe environment.

S~~~ test someone else please. Thats not why I come here.

Resident cynic.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

if religion brings you happiness and you feel it makes you a better person, by all means be religious. Religion encourages marriage and having kids because they want their numbers to grow and that’s easier and more effective than proselyting. If you choose not to get married or have kids, i know of no religion that will kick you out because of it. So I don’t think mgtow and religion are mutually exclusive. For me, I see religion as a means for a few elite to control the masses and take their money so i don’t bother with it.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[Anonymous 29]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

DRS_au wrote:

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Im not looking to be a dick; I just dont comorehend the weight and purpose of an intentionally deceitful question like this.

And I’m. not being deceitful. We do this sort of thing in our every day lives. Period.

Sometime’s questions are asked with an ulterior motive and mine was to see if I can gauge the strength and belief in what we do irrespective of other influences in our lives.If you see this as a s~~~ test . . . . I’m guilty as charged,

So what is your ulterior motive now eh ?

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