Hello & It's a pleasure to be here (just another intro)

[anonymousyamParticipant 4605]

Emperor Heraclius wrote:

She of course wants to settle down, have kids, and live “happily ever after”. She is approaching 30, the looks are starting to fade slightly, and she wants kids before she turns 35. She is also looking into buying a house, even though I am not financially prepared for that or to front the expense of a wedding

30? this is a red flag already since she is going down the hill and she is going fast, in just 10 years you will wonder what the f~~~ has happened to her because she has hit the wall and she is going down.

So my first question is, is she hot? would you f~~~ her mother if given the chance? if her mother is f~~~able then that is a bonus but if she is a ugly bitch then get the f~~~ out solely on this alone.

Emperor Heraclius wrote:

As a self-aware man and a realist, I know better. Marriage changes women. Having kids changes the dynamics of the relationship permanently. My culture expects me to drop $30k on one day; HER day. The wedding is all about her, how she looks, her friends, her family, in addition to my family’s expectations…

What rights in your culture does a husband have over a wife? can a wife simply just divorce rape you and take everything based on she is bored? or do you actually have control over her and your family?

If you do not have control over her then you do not need to f~~~ing marry her because it is a unfair exchange.

Emperor Heraclius wrote:

On the other hand, I am not where I want to be at in life at the moment. I moved to the state where she is originally from since I was too afraid of losing her. She moved back for work and to be closer to her family, and I blindly followed along without a thought to how it would affect my job prospects and long term happiness. I feel bogged down because this is not how I envisioned my 29 year old self to be; jobless, friendless, and empty all because I was too afraid to lose a potential wifey that society pressures all young men to pursue.

Get the f~~~ out now and i mean it. Women don’t respect men who kiss their asses and you f~~~ing went and moved out of your home state just to be with this one c~~~ for the sole reason of being with her. Crash with a friend, crash with your parents if you must but you have crossed the line (metaphorically and literally). She found a man who is beta enough for her to leave the f~~~ing state to live with her.

As i say the only reason you should leave your state to f~~~ a woman is if you have more important plans then just to f~~~ her. So if you were for example in a band and the tour is being in her town then you can go f~~~ her,since you are coming mainly just for the band and the gig its fine, but if you just come for her then that shows you are needy.

You are better off spending the 30k on booze or drugs or a gaming computer sent from the heavens then you are to pay for a wedding with it.

Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

[Anonymous 13]

Best way to spend that 30k? Find a child who needs an operation to save them. OR spend it on a narcissistic c~~~ for one day of glory. Hell, when you see that, it’s far better to keep the homeless in hot soup for a few months.

Don’t you see? It’s nothing but a f~~~ed up program to get you to direct energy/resources to the wrong places, i.e., blood sucking parasites in the physical guise you see as virtuos females.

F~~~ that program, you are better than the program. You just don’t know it yet.

So, um, yeah… literally anything but spend that money on an ungrateful c~~~ who will never be satisfied.

This is an energy game.

REDIRECT.

[Anonymous 6]

Would like to see his response, theres no argument here on which road he should take.

[Anonymous 3]

Emperor Heraclius wrote:

I currently stand in a crossroads in my life. On one hand, I realize that if I give up my girlfriend now, I will most likely forever shut the door the possibility of having the “family life” with a woman who is actually intelligent and has a good personality.

“Family life” is a code word for giving everything you got for people that dont appreciate you. Include here wife, kids and family.
Everyone thinks its your obligation and “privilege” to provide for them, either money, time or work.

And we men are programmed to SERVE as a measure of our worth. So, we get used, abused and abandoned. But, because of our sense of moral and responsibility, it is hard for a man to extricate himself from that road. Take my word for it.

Emperor Heraclius wrote:

I moved to the state where she is originally from since I was too afraid of losing her. She moved back for work and to be closer to her family, and I blindly followed along without a thought to how it would affect my job prospects and long term happiness.

This is a big red flag, not of her but for you! You are not prepared to deal with women and WILL BE taken advantage of. You WILL BE RAPED!
We live in a rape culture, didn’t you know?

Dont feel bad, very few are prepared to deal with women. They are usually Chads, criminals or “whispers”. And the smart ones conclude that it is not worth the effort.

[Y_Participant 4591]

Emperor Heraclius wrote:

I have been told by nearly every other older man (including my father and uncles) to avoid marriage. Children & the wife tie you down, robbing you of your potential and total control over the direction in your life.

Welcome. Listen to them. Society is a feminist trap. Do not seek validation there. The fact you came here shows you know better. Once you become a servant of the plantation your life means nothing. A wasted life cannot be relived.

[JVBParticipant]

Yes and she knows you feel like this. That’s the control. She wants it no other way for you. Getting a great job, making money and being happy is a threat to her coz it gives you options. Her way to fix that is…..oops I’m pregnant. Now your job, money and happiness is back in her court. Move on bro before you have no choice but to stay.

Peace is > piece.

[JVBParticipant]

Welcome brother !!!! Btw.

Peace is > piece.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Emperor Heraclius wrote:

I feel bogged down because this is not how I envisioned my 29 year old self to be; jobless, friendless, and empty all because I was too afraid to lose a potential wifey that society pressures all young men to pursue.

If you already feel this way I don’t see how marriage will make it better, not worse.
Welcome to the forum

Anonymous wrote:

She may be nice now while she is in the acquisition stage

Acquisition Stage: Nice use of language. That’s a good MGTOW term deserving of repeating.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Emperor HeracliusParticipant 317]

Thank you all for the welcomes and meaningful advice. It is quite clear what path I need to take to be ultimately happy in my future. I grow more confident everyday in shedding society’s “expectations” in having a wife and house by the age of 30. Moving away with my gf without regards to my ultimate happiness was the most beta thing I have ever done (which I still kick myself over but I accept my error), but I take comfort in the fact that I am not tied down by a marriage contract or a child.

"Admit no woman to the imperial councils. Be accessible to no one. Share with few your most intimate plans."

[Mr. ManParticipant 2916]

Welcome to the forums, Emperor.

Your into question reads more like you’re asking permission to do what you already know is the right thing for you — to move on with your life in a new direction. One that does not include weddings and children and home ownership and all of the other trappings that come with that.

Let us know when you’ve made the jump.

[KadafiParticipant 67]

I got married in Thailand when I was 30 years old, it cost me £10 at a registry office. The marriage only lasted 4 years, the mistake I made was thinking I could turn a pretty women into a perfect pretty wife (didn’t happen).

I’m now 36 years old and divorced , I bought my own place here in England and plan to buy a property abroad within the next few years.

The point is, you get married and you will soon get bogged down with problem after problem and getting your way out of that marriage might not be so simple. Enjoy the freedom of only having yourself to think about and concentrate on your own goals in life.

[Emperor HeracliusParticipant 317]

I just want to give an update with my journey to unc~~~ing…

I finally gathered the b~~~~ to tell my girlfriend that I am not happy living where we are, as I have no job opportunities, no friends, and nothing to do where I currently am. My fear of losing her kept me from standing my ground and focusing on my career in Florida, but now I have embraced MGTOW and a yolo mindset. Our lease for our crappy apartment is about to expire, and I told her I am not going to renew it with her, and in fact I will move back to Florida to enjoy the beach lifestyle and to explore better job opportunities. MGTOW has given me the chance to open my eyes and lose my fear of being without a woman, and to give a middle finger to modern society which shuns young men without girlfriends/c~~~s as losers.

I fully expect her to properly dump me once I move out, and I am OK with that. She has different needs and priorities than me. She recently complained she is getting older, gray hairs are sprouting from her head, and the stress of work slowly takes a toll of her. She talks about marriage and starting a family and buying a house. F~~~ that. With the wall approaching as she nears 30, I can say I feel I am stepping away at the right time. With no marriage or kids to hold me back, there is no excuse for me not to go my own way.

"Admit no woman to the imperial councils. Be accessible to no one. Share with few your most intimate plans."

[Mr. ManParticipant 2916]

What an inspirational post! This is why I read the forums every day, for gems like this. Good luck and keep us informed of this great transition you are about to take.

[Anonymous 12]

I blindly followed along without a thought to how it would affect my job prospects and long term happiness. I feel bogged down because this is not how I envisioned my 29 year old self to be; jobless, friendless, and empty all because I was too afraid to lose a potential wifey that society pressures all young men to pursue.

I am sorry to read this, yet happy you realize that you have been dragged along for the ride.
she successfully robbed you of what you had – friends, job, future, while expecting you to invest half a million for a house and 30k for her day.

To be later discarded because she found a man who actually has a career going and is progressing nicely financially.

The red pill is a bitter one to swallow.
Listen, if not to us strangers on the net, then to your gut and to the elders around you.
The advice dished out is based in their case on hard real life evidence and experience.

One aspect of wisdom is to observe others and the actions/mistakes they make.
Rule your world, rule your life wisely.

Edit: maybe start ruling your world period?
At the Moment you rule nothing: neither where you are, what you do or where you go to.
You are quite literally being dragged along for the ride, not steering anything.
She must be beautiful…?

Welcome.

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