Guns in NY State

[ForeverDoneParticipant 2928]

I am getting back into my hobby at the range. All I have is a desert eagle. Any recommendations on some guns I can legally own?

[Anonymous 14]

In N.Y.? BB guns.

Ok, seriously now, I did pick up a CZ75-P01 recently, and it is awesome. 9mm, and in N.Y. it will be limited to 10 round magazines, but can hold 14 in other states.

[ForeverDoneParticipant 2928]

Anonymous wrote:

In N.Y.? BB guns.

Ok, seriously now, I did pick up a CZ75-P01 recently, and it is awesome. 9mm, and in N.Y. it will be limited to 10 round magazines, but can hold 14 in other states.

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Yea, I remember the refresher course I was encouraged to take. They limited the rounds.. Do the politicians not know it’s the people WITHOUT A LICENSE/PERMIT are the ones that commit 99.9% of the crimes? Stupid people.

[Anonymous 6]

Yea in New York you probably need a permit for a water gun.

But if you were in a better area (down south). I would advise the following:

The Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm

The Beretta 92 FS

The Colt Commander 1911

[Anonymous 14]

ForeverDone wrote:

Do the politicians not know it’s the people WITHOUT A LICENSE/PERMIT are the ones that commit 99.9% of the crimes? Stupid people.

Yea, they only care that the plebs have less guns while they and their bodyguards have more guns.

And the CZ shoots better than just about everything out there as it has a short slide height, thus producing less potential leverage upon recoil. A full sized CZ75 (many different models) will outshoot all the guns Venom just linked. And oh boy, that MP9 is ugly. These full sized CZ’s also hold three more rounds than the Beretta 92. (not in N.Y. though… lol)

Go to 4:55 to see almost zero recoil.

[TuneoutParticipant]

ForeverDone wrote:

and in N.Y. it will be limited to 10 round magazines, but can hold 14 in other states.

Anonymous wrote:

hese full sized CZ’s also hold a round or two more than the Beretta 92.

Brothers,all this talk of rounds,if you can’t take out your assailant with a couple from an old S&W .38 –
Hit the f~~~ing range more often! LOL

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[Anonymous 14]

Tuneout wrote:

Brothers,all this talk of rounds,if you can’t take out your assailant with a couple from an old S&W .38 –
Hit the f~~~ing range more often! LOL

But what if I have 19 people chasing me at once?

Or what about the highly probable impending Zombie Apocalypse? lol

This puppy holds 18, and one in the pipe for 19 in 9mm.

CZ 75 SP-01

[AstroParticipant 2045]

The CZ-75 is a good handgun. However, I prefer a variation called the IWI Jericho 941, made in Israel as it is even more accurate. Those guys are surrounded by enemies and cannot afford to make junk. The problem is that it holds too many rounds in New York. However, another gun now used by Israel is the Glock 19 and they come with 10 round magazines in states with such limits. They are very popular with military and LEO’s worldwide. They are accurate, light to carry, dependable and comparatively inexpensive to many handguns. I like the 9mm Lugar but in your case, the 45ACP might be a better way to go. A 1911 in 45ACP is OK in the most Liberal states as it holds 7-9 rounds plus one in the chamber, depending on the brand and gun. The 45ACP leaves a larger wound than the 9mm Lugar with the same brand of ammunition. I owned two Colt 1911’s when I was under strict gun laws. I now own a Glock 19 and a Jericho 941 PL (it was so accurate that I got rid of my Glock 34).

[Anonymous 14]

Astro wrote:

However, I prefer a variation called the IWI Jericho 941, made in Israel as it is even more accurate. Those guys are surrounded by enemies and cannot afford to make junk.

Not sure how shooting people who are armed with rocks and knives is more serious business than being in downtown Chicago after dark, but whatever…

CZ75-P01 had to go through the some craziest testing ever to become one of the few NATO certified weapons. That’s the one I got from my first post in this thread. NATO serial number stamped on the side.

And damn those Jericho’s are ugly, and I am not buying it that they are more accurate than CZ’s. All I can find on them is bad reviews actually…

http://www.m4carbine.net/archive/index.php/t-65701.html

Just checked lists for best competition 9mm’s, It is not up there.

CZ first place in this roundup.-
“In target shooting circles and regarding sports this 9mm pistol is the best choice.”

Top 15 best 9mm pistol in the world 2017

[AstroParticipant 2045]

Anonymous wrote:

Not sure how shooting people who are armed with rocks and knives is more serious business than being in downtown Chicago after dark, but whatever…
CZ75-P01 had to go through the some craziest testing ever to become one of the few NATO certified weapons. That’s the one I got from my first post in this thread. NATO serial number stamped on the side.
And damn those Jericho’s are ugly, and I am not buying it that they are more accurate than CZ’s. All I can find on them is bad reviews actually…
http://www.m4carbine.net/archive/index.php/t-65701.html
Just checked lists for best competition 9mm’s, It is not up there.
CZ first place in this roundup.-
“In target shooting circles and regarding sports this 9mm pistol is the best choice.”

So you think Israel’s enemies only have knives and rocks? What century are you talking about? The Jericho IS a CZ modified and more accurate as one can get a Jericho with polygonal rifling. Have you ever fired one? You would be amazed. I like the Jericho, nothing complicated, smooth slide. And yes, I found no problem finding a holster that fit, this isn’t the 1990’s. It is actually mentioned in many “Best of” categories (that is why I wanted one) but don’t take MY word for it. Ask Hamas terrorists how well it works, oops, too late.

I will agree with you on one point, I like the 9mm and I have a Jericho 941PL in 9mm. I also do not like the Israeli Draw, I prefer c~~~ed and locked.

[Anonymous 14]

Astro wrote:

So you think Israel’s enemies only have knives and rocks? What century are you talking about?

Yes, Palestinians, who Israeli’s cannot stop stealing from and killing are armed with rocks and knives. Israel made them their enemy, just as they did with those around them.

All reviews I can find about that gun are bad, also, they are not made in Israel, only assembled.

[AutoliteParticipant]

ForeverDone wrote:

Do the politicians not know it’s the people WITHOUT A LICENSE/PERMIT are the ones that commit 99.9% of the crimes?

Yes, of course they know. But gun control isn’t about public safety. It’s about winning political support from retards…

[AstroParticipant 2045]

Anonymous wrote:

All reviews I can find about that gun are bad, also, they are not made in Israel, only assembled

Politics aside, you don’t know what you are talking about. The Jericho 941 IS a CZ inside! So how can you recommend the CZ so highly and put down a firearm you have never even used before (other than politics)? Show me all the “bad reviews” on YouTube because I don’t see them. The NRA “American Rifleman” magazine did an article on the Jericho 941 last June. I first discovered it in a book about the best pistol options and the Jericho ranked #1. It was also known as the “Baby Eagle” when Magnum Research first brought it to the states it and Mossberg imported a version called the “Uzi Eagle”. IWI also makes and sells the Uzi, Negev, the Galil sniper rifle and the Desert Eagle until 2009. I suppose you think they all suck as well because they were made in Israel but firearm experts would strongly disagree. This is a duty pistol but it’s so accurate, I use it in competitions. If you ever come to Knoxville, I would be happy to put it against your firearm in 9mm. Would you be good for a competition at the range?

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/9/10/nra-gun-of-the-week-iwi-jericho-941-fs/

[Anonymous 14]

The link you just gave is nothing more than a description of the gun. The one I gave about the Jericho is user opinion, and they are usually not that great. And yes, I did know it had some CZ internals. If I had a full sized CZ and was in your area I would gladly shoot vs. you for money without hesitation as I am a fairly gifted shooter with either hand. I however only own the more compact CZ75 P0-1. If I had a full sized Shadow, you would be f~~~ed.

“In recent years, the SP-01 Shadow has taken the competition circuit by storm. In USPSA Production Division, CZ pistols are now used by twice as many top-level competitors than any other maker.”

The Jericho does not cost anything outlandish, if it were any good it would at least show up in competitions now and then, and it doesn’t. I think what is going on here has more to do with your hard on for Israel in all honesty.

CZ Shadow 2

[AstroParticipant 2045]

How can one call it a “user opinion” when one has never used it? I have fired the CZ-75 and it is by no means a bad gun. For me, I feel that IWI improved on the CZ-75 with the Jericho or even other versions from IMI or the Baby Desert Eagle. You are welcome to go on YouTube and see the reviews, I have found no bad ones but you are welcome to look. Did you even watch the video that came with that link?

Anonymous wrote:

The Jericho does not cost anything outlandish, if it were any good it would at least show up in competitions now and then, and it doesn’t. I think what is going on here has more to do with your hard on for Israel in all honesty.

If you think popularity and higher cost is what makes a great and accurate pistol, you are sadly mistaken. If you did some research, you will find the Jericho can be found in military and LEO’s all over the world. The Jericho wasn’t made for competitions but shoots like it was. Unlike most products from IMI/IWI, the Jericho/Baby Desert Eagle was a joint effort between (at the time) Czechoslovakia (CZ), Italy (Tanfoglio) and Israel (IMI). This was done to keep the costs down by avoiding teething problems. So do I have a “hard on” for the Czechoslovakia and Italy as well? You could at least accuse me for having a “hard on” for the USA as the USA came out with the Baby Desert Eagle and I am an American. If the Islamic nations ever came up with a gun, I would be happy to try it. Do you know of any?

I don’t bet money as it leads to bitter feelings and it has no limit (and I am broke right now). However, a steak dinner would be nice and can lead to friendly terms over dinner. However, if you think I am being cheap, we can go title-for-title between firearms. If the Jericho is as inferior as you say, you should have no problem beating it, even with a small frame CZ and you would get a free Jericho to talk down.

That being said, it can also accept 10 round magazines made for the CZ-75. Both would be possible for our friend in New York, unless NY rejects both because they CAN take more than 10 rounds. In that case, the Glock 37 in .45ACP might be the better way to go, it holds no more than 10 rounds in the magazine. A 1911 would be a good idea as well as I mentioned before.

[Anonymous 14]

Astro wrote:

How can one call it a “user opinion” when one has never used it?

I was referencing the link I posted, in which users gave opinions… At this point it seems like you just want to argue, so have at it, there will be plenty of blank space below me, I however will not be back. The debate is ridiculous to begin with as nobody uses that gun for competitions, they mostly us CZ’s.

[AstroParticipant 2045]

Anonymous wrote:

The debate is ridiculous to begin with as nobody uses that gun for competitions, they mostly us CZ’s.

I told you it is a combat pistol, however:
http://941forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=426

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