Girlfriend talking of marriage

[sidecarParticipant 35842]

will4298 wrote:

I’m in a long term relationship (2 years) and a couple of weeks back she brought up the topic of marriage.

Of course she did.

Be aware that she didn’t bring up marriage because she wants you.  She already has you.  She doesn’t need a marriage to have you.  She brought up marriage because she wants your stuff.  Marriage is the way she can convince a court to give it to her.  That’s all it is.

If she wasn’t after your stuff, she wouldn’t care about marriage.  Don’t fall for it.

Keymaster wrote:

Write your OWN marriage contract. Yes I’m serious.

As amusing as that would be (and I did laugh heartily at it), she might just take him up on it in the happy knowledge a court would throw out and ignore any such contract.  So write your own marriage contract, but still refuse to marry.

JediTim wrote:

Maybe you’ve found yourself a unicorn.

She’s already proven he hasn’t.  By asking about marriage she’s shown her true colors as an AWALT.  A mythical NAWALT wouldn’t need to marry her man.  A mythical NAWALT would be happy just being with him.

Anonymous wrote:

And this is where my low level MGTOW brain makes a little sidetrip to BDSM again where contracts between dominants and submissives are common.

Whatever floats your boat.  Just be aware that such contracts have zero weight in court if things turn sour.

[Break_PointParticipant 10]

Revenge on the herd wrote:

Hi I have noticed a lot of mgtow and marriage talk about costs vs benefits and how the costs outway the benefits. I agree buy I look at it this way I use a system called antifragility vs fragility (from taleb’s book called antifragile) The idea is to identify fragile situations and protect yourself from these risks. Fragile is something with limited upside and a massive downside. Marriage for a man seems to fit the bill. Antifragile is limited downside and near unlimited upside. As a man what do we get out of marriage? The most we can expect is to be socially accepted and legally tied to 1 person. At it’s best you may like the person you are with and they may support you. Maybe you have children who love you. Thats the best you can get. Thats your upside for a successful marriage. Your downside is a massive claim on your productivity for as long as your legal system allows. The more productive, the greater the claim. So the downside is a near unlimited claim on your resources and future resources. So marriage for a man is FRAGILE, there is more downside than upside. For a women it’s the opposite Her downside is limited, it’s putting up with you and letting you sleep with her on your birthday. All while spending your cash on s~~~e you don’t want or need 365 days a year. Her upside is massive and only limited by your earnings potential. As the laws are all stacked in her favour she has near unlimited upside and next to no downside. For a women marriage is ANTIFRAGILE There is no women on this earth who doesn’t want to tie the not, and no wonder. She can only benefit from marriage. As a mgtow what do we do. In talebs work he explains that it’s your job to remove fragility from your life. By doing this you get robustness. Freedom from harm So is it a mgtow aim is to be robust to women? I believe it is. To become robust we need to… Get all your wealth and put in trusts. You create the trusts and become the trustees. This is to stop any women laying claim to the money and assets you have. As tecnically you do not own any money or assets the trusts does. You are allowed to benefit from the trusts however YOU are legally poor. (take legal advice and base the trusts in different countries with strong stable laws and no legal aid, the aim is to make it as financially difficult for her to get at your cash, with financial bankruptcy through massive legal fees being the prefered option). Do not marry as this is fragile Do not have kids as this is fragile, she can lay claim for the child for 18 years (where I live), if you want kids adopt. Have a full cctv in your home for your security. (which she does not know about) Being robust means you can have money, houses, investments but you do not legally own it. If accidents happen your income is legally nil. I’m happy to share my net worth of zero with any women. Yet still live the high life. Being robust means you can have relationships with women, they just cannot get your long term productivity. They get only what you are willing to share. If they try grab it long term, your financial structures are designed to f~~~ them up. Anyway I hope you found my red pill useful, as I have benefited from the red pills you have offered me.. All the best. and don’t forget this is not legal advice but information for your benefit.

In college, my real-estate law professor once said, “It’s not about what you own, but rather about what you control.”

Legal entities, [trusts, LLC, and other legal structures], when set up properly can be turned into holding companies that shield the wealth you deposit into them from all types of personal liability (including marriage liability).

Women who get f~~~ed over by such legal devices feel robbed and cheated.

When a man protects his assets from a woman, he can expect to be hated and despised by all her friends and family members.

He will be viewed as being self-centered arrogant SOB.

Such a man can be both MGTOW and married. 🙂

 

 

 

 

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B_P:

 

I have a relative who’s twice divorced.  Ex-wife #1 is allowed by Canadian law to come after him for more money, more than 20 years after they split.  He doesn’t even have 2 dimes to rub together, but that doesn’t stop her from staking a claim.  One way he found around it was to establish a number of shell companies and register his possession in their names, as well as put whatever money he has into them.  Since, legally, he won’t own much, his ex will have a hard time squeezing more loot out of him.

 

[Anonymous 0]

In my mid 20’s my GF of about 3 years finally started to lay the pressure on me about when we were going to get married. I said “I don’t know”. The next event changed my life forever. She gave me the ultimatum. She said “get me a ring or we break up. ”  I dumped her right then and there. Now this is what I consider where the real men are weeded out from the pussies. It’s easy to give in to a woman when she’s putting on the pressure and the puppy dog eyes. BE A MAN AND SAY NO!. Was it easy for me to do so? Absolutely not. It was one of the hardest decisions of my life but I was raised too smart and used my big head instead of my little head when it came to make it.  Since then, (been over 10 years now) she’s been married TWICE. There are PLENTY of stupid men out there who would marry any bitch at a drop of a hat. Not me. Not any true MGTOW. I haven’t looked back since.  My life has been nothing but drama free and the world has been my oyster since.  Just date and f~~~ all the women you want, but eventually, she’s going to give that ultimatum. Once that day arrives, as Sonny from the Bronx tale said “you dump her, and you dump her fast”.

Since then, I’ve been watching all my old friends get married and have seen the tip of the iceberg of what the outcome of having a wife is.  IT SUCKS. My best friend from HS is already divorced and is paying alimony and child support for two kids. He is currently living with another woman with two kids of her own. If he marries again, I will punch him in the face myself. The rest of my married friends are all miserable and have zero time for themselves. Their wives are too busy making them do their stupid, useless s~~~ all day/night.  I just sit back, laugh and pray to Jesus that I didn’t fall for the biggest MAN-TRAP of all time. Pussy.

Good luck fellow MGTOWs! Be Strong! Be Free!

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Anonymous wrote:

he gave me the ultimatum. She said “get me a ring or we break up. ”  I dumped her right then and there.

GOOD. Best thing you ever did for yourself. 100% guaranteed.

You know WHY? Because if she can throw it out, then it has no staying power. (you probably realize this – hence your decision – but other readers may not). When woman does that s~~~, she may as well just come out and say “I don’t care about you or who he is. I want a f~~~ing ring.” She doesn’t give a s~~~ about you. Women have no idea how much that “propose by Christmas or it’s over” s~~~ actually says about her and the relations~~~. If she can walk a away like that based on some stunt she expects you to pull else it’s DONE / OVER / FINISHED…. then it was DONE / OVER / FINISH before the f~~~ing conversation.

“you dump her, and you dump her fast” is right.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[sidecarParticipant 35842]

@break_point

Don’t put your trust in trusts.  Judges can bust them.  Also a lot of alimony and child support decrees have nothing to do with the man’s inability to pay them, whether actual or contrived through fiscal machinations.  Just look at all the men in prison for non-payment because they simply can’t.  Trusts and other fiscal tricks make it a little more difficult for women to get their hands on men’s assets, but nothing makes it impossible once a man foolishly gives her a ring and signs on the dotted line.

The only guaranteed way for a man to keep control of his life is by not marrying.

Anonymous wrote:

She gave me the ultimatum. She said “get me a ring or we break up. ” I dumped her right then and there.

It was the best decision you ever made in your life, for all that it was also the hardest.  We really need more Tales of Victory like yours.

It’s easy to give in to a woman when she’s putting on the pressure and the puppy dog eyes.

Especially when the rest of your family are doubtless putting on the pressure as well.  Well, all the female ones, anyway.

Anonymous wrote:

Since then, (been over 10 years now) she’s been married TWICE.

Of course she has.  You are fortunate in recognizing the warning signs up front.

When a woman asks about marriage, she’s proving she only wants your stuff.

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

I think it’s safe to say once a man hits 40, if he hasn’t been married he probably won’t. I’m in my 40’s never even close to marriage, quit trying long ago. The fact that MGTOW is exploding right now with more and more of us giving more than a wink and a nod, has women taking notice. I decided when I was young I wasn’t going to be some plow mule, and I have done petty much as I please. I can’t think of one happy couple I know my age…. NOT ONE.

When she talks about “marriage” it is over. It ceases to be about what you want, and then women do what women have done since time immemorial. I still have adventures in m y life, how about you? Whatever it is you do do…. when you do it, DO IT! If some woman wants to tag along on my trip through life, it’s on her. If she annoys me she can tell her story walking, I’m not interested. Marriage is an institution, I do NOT need institutionalized.

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[Anonymous 11]

will4298 wrote:

I’m in a long term relationship (2 years) and a couple of weeks back she brought up the topic of marriage.

It doesn’t matter how long a relationship has gone on for anyone as that means nothing anymore in the gynocracy. That crazy switch can and will flip in them without notice. They also will have plotted it out to the Nth level detail with their coven well before you are even aware of it as they are a crafty lot. I might rag them on a lot of things, but I never underestimate the ability of a woman to scheme and cover her tracks until she’s ready to sink the dagger into your back.

I’m nearly 50 and have never been married. It will be a cold day in hell before I ever get married.

Also, Sidecar has a very valid point. All it takes is a crying little cupcake and a good shyster to trigger the white knights to come out in full trust and contract busting mode. This goes tenfold if you’ve any assets.

Never sign any legally binding contract with a woman.

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